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      01-14-2016, 03:14 PM   #243
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Now, This Competition Package is offering the MPE as a "Factory" option!

Cool your jets there tiger. The "M Sport Exhaust" in this package is NOT the same as the titanium M Performance Exhaust.
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      01-14-2016, 03:17 PM   #244
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I completely agree with the downsides and I think that for most people these wheels will be a net drawback for all of the reasons you stated unless people really REALLY like the look and size of these wheels. I'm surprised BMW went to 20s and went with a design that is getting overwhelmingly negative feedback even on an enthusiast forum here. The weight remains to be seen, though. Not all 19s are lighter than all 20s, although given that both of the optional wheels on this car are forged, I think the most you can really hope for is to have these be the same weight as the 19s. If they're much lighter, I'd wonder how the 20s compare in terms of strength. And if they're much heavier, then that runs pretty antithetical to the idea of a Competition Package....
The E9x ZCP wheels are cast and heavier than the 19" forged option at the time.
Yeah, and that always annoyed me. At least they're wider though.
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      01-14-2016, 03:18 PM   #245
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What if you aren't a "track" guy? I've owned an M3 going on 15 years now, original owner of both E46 M3 and E90 M3. Love the cars, but really never had an interest in tracking them.

For regular city/highway driving, wouldn't there be ride quality and comfort differences between 19's and 20's? Or other differences that aren't related to whether you track your car or not?
Yes the ride will be rougher with the same suspension. This is likely why you don't get a drop this time. 20s with less tire wall and a drop would significantly degrade comfort vs. the standard setup. That said it is called a competition package so keeping the same comfort level as the non ZCP car is likely not a priority. Some degradation in that aspect is to expect when ticking ZCP
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      01-14-2016, 03:22 PM   #246
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I would have ordered this package, no doubt. A lot goes into these comp. packages (look at how significant the m5/m6 comp pkg was). I like how it says they reconfigured the diff and dsc system, hoping this means the power gets put down better and is more manageable.

Nontheless, can't wait to see reviews and testing of the comp pkg f80!
Makes me wonder what they held back in the first place.

Like this is 100%, not cp is 95%.

Like these seatbelts, nice little touch.
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      01-14-2016, 03:28 PM   #247
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While I have no doubt ZCP cars will be way more desirable new and used I don't expect a significant hit on used car prices of non ZCP cars. BMW pretty much insulated us with the no longer cool kid cars by charging $5500 for ZCP. If it would have been $2k or lower it would be another story. Just as most 328 buyers likely rather have a 335 but the price difference attracts a different buyer pool.
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We had this discussion before here and the main advantage of smaller wheels seem be limited to the cost and availability of tires.
Racing cars still use 18" wheels though, or at least the C7R I was looking over last night at NAIAS does. Not that I am saying a race car and street car are directly comparable, but I wonder how race cars - which you'd think need the best brakes technology will allow - manage the smaller wheels.

Naturally a smaller wheel/tire combination will also be lighter than a larger one too, assuming reasonably similar side wall height. Most racing tires have a pretty decent amount of sidewall irrespective of wheel size though, yes. They can't get away with the extremely low profile tires you find on high performance street cars.
Racing cars wheel diameter is often by regulation, not by free choice.

For instance F1 still has 13" wheels and tiny diameter brake discs.
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      01-14-2016, 03:54 PM   #249
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Racing cars wheel diameter is often by regulation, not by free choice.

For instance F1 still has 13" wheels and tiny diameter brake discs.
This is also a good point and that the F1 car weighs less than half of an M3 is helpful for them as well. In the end flaming BMW for putting modern size brakes and wheels on a Hot rodded 3-series when every sports car manufacturer do the same is kind of silly.
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      01-14-2016, 04:18 PM   #250
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I'm excited. The M3 should have come with the comp pack(minus the wheels) standard.
Yeah but then BMW couldn't charge you 5K for the privilege.
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      01-14-2016, 04:52 PM   #251
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Unfortunately this isn't the MPE included in the package. It's a different exhaust altogether; a step up from the stock exhaust but a step below the MPE.
My Mistake!

NO MPE?!? It sucks!!

(Three Exhausts?!?)

Unless, you do like the wheels??

Cheers!
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      01-14-2016, 05:10 PM   #252
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Unfortunately this isn't the MPE included in the package. It's a different exhaust altogether; a step up from the stock exhaust but a step below the MPE.
How do you know it's a step below the MPE and not a step above?
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      01-14-2016, 05:12 PM   #253
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To those questioning whether the Competition Package changes the official weight figures of the M3 and M4....they do. The Competition Package is HEAVIER.

All figures with manual gearbox:

M3

1,595kg
1,610kg (Competition Package)

M4

1,572kg
1,590kg (Competition Package)


Click on the PDF at the bottom of the page.

Source: https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/globa...tem=node__7309
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      01-14-2016, 05:16 PM   #254
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How do you know it's a step below the MPE and not a step above?
Oh dear God, will people try to keep up!

Because the MPE is titanium and if it actually was the MPE then the package would be a whole lot more than it is in cost terms!

Also, the M5 Competition Package sets a precedent.
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      01-14-2016, 05:28 PM   #255
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To those questioning whether the Competition Package changes the official weight figures of the M3 and M4....they do. The Competition Package is HEAVIER.

All figures with manual gearbox:

M3

1,595kg
1,610kg (Competition Package)

M4

1,572kg
1,590kg (Competition Package)


Click on the PDF at the bottom of the page.

Source: https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/globa...tem=node__7309
Interesting, also it seems torque figures are the same, and the higher hp figure is at higher rpm's. Still with wider tires (front/rear) and better suspension and differential it should put power down better.
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      01-14-2016, 05:33 PM   #256
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How do you know it's a step below the MPE and not a step above?
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I was really hoping for some added paint colors.
Well I don't think this news is the only type of news coming for 2017 MY cars. We stil don't know what pricing, options, and other packages may be changed for the next year.

I would say once pricing for the next model year is announced (2017 models) we may finally see the color palette get some changes. The E9x began selling with mineral white as a new addition, and new leather two tone configurations when ZCP started selling. So don't lose hope.
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      01-14-2016, 06:05 PM   #258
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Oh gawd, the wheels

If only they can knock off some money, take back their wheels and give us the E92 style 359 wheels.
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      01-14-2016, 06:09 PM   #259
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Unfortunately this isn't the MPE included in the package. It's a different exhaust altogether; a step up from the stock exhaust but a step below the MPE.
i feel like this is consistently lost.

i don't think that calling it "emotional" is a wise choice of words either.
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Has anyone built an M4 for over USD 100k? I tried on the BMW USA BYO site and a pretty much fully optioned M4 - accounting for the Comp Pkg and a $5k upcharge for Individual paint but not including an interior leather option - came out to $100,545! Unreal...
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$100k vs. $10k for brakes give you some options other than huge rotors
Also race car brakes aren't that cool to use on the street ( Actually too cool ). As you say not comparable.
Even a lower end spec racer car will use the smaller diameter brakes though, and they use tech comparable to what you'd find on a modestly priced luxury sports car.

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Because real race cars care more about actual performance than looks, which is what 20" wheels are really about.
Agree that larger wheels on cars today are about looks as a general rule.

But when you are talking about a track focused performance car that is also street legal (like a GT3 RS, M4 GTS, GT350R, Z28, various Ferraris, McLarens, etc.), if they could improve track performance (especially ring times) by running the smaller wheel then at least some of them would do just that because track times are what gives you bragging rights over the competition and helps sell the car.

However, since these are street legal cars, they are largely limited by the type of tire they can use. A racing slick is a much thicker, much more rigid tire so it can get away with a taller side wall and not end up a squishy mess when a huge side load is applied during cornering. But with a DOT legal tire, to get better track performance you have to shorten the side wall. So larger wheels on track focused cars aren't necessarily just for aesthetics. But the aftermarket trend of larger wheels is, yes. Because we know very well that anything that makes a car look more like a car that was actually built with performance in mind can be sold as a performance enhancement even when it might not be.

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Racing cars wheel diameter is often by regulation, not by free choice.

For instance F1 still has 13" wheels and tiny diameter brake discs.
Sure, but even if you look at what people use when they track their M3/M4 (or any other enthusiast car, or track rat for that matter) they aren't putting on huge brake kits and then installing larger wheels as necessary. They are running lightweight 18" wheels or whatever the smallest size is that will clear the factory brakes or a comparable aftermarket brake kit.
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I am hoping this package includes a larger front anti-roll bar that can be used on the standard F8X. Does anyone know what size it is?

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...which features new springs, dampers and anti-roll bars, along with reconfigured driving modes (Comfort, Sport and Sport+).
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To those questioning whether the Competition Package changes the official weight figures of the M3 and M4....they do. The Competition Package is HEAVIER.

All figures with manual gearbox:

M3

1,595kg
1,610kg (Competition Package)

M4

1,572kg
1,590kg (Competition Package)


Click on the PDF at the bottom of the page.

Source: https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/globa...tem=node__7309
It is important to understand that DIN weights are for a bare naked vehicle, with no options at all, none, not even those offered "standard" in some countries (floor mats, electric seats, upgraded sound systems, comfort access, etc).

The CP cars have items that are included that are considered "optional" on the standard M4, such as the EDC for instance. That could explain the slight 15/18kg increases.
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      01-14-2016, 08:34 PM   #264
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Now that I think about it; this makes the zcp M3/4 pretty expensive. Wasn't the comp pack cheaper for the e92 series?
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