Is anybody here considering the '15 AMG C-63 ?

[ybbiz34]

Originally Posted by dkhm3

tire size is increased by 10mm from previous- which helps, but with more power/torque i am afraid the rears will be squirrely again

How do you find the traction on your M3? I've test driven both the F82 and F80 a few times now and was somewhat surprised at how easy it was to break loose the rear tires, particularly given their size.

When letting off the throttle in sweeping turns, traction was fine. Then again, off-throttle grip in the C63 is fine too.

Originally Posted by gthal

The interior of the C63 is great... exterior is OK but I really wish MB went wider in the rear.

MB never seems to like to make the C63 wider in the flanks than the standard car and I've never understood that. Something about the rear lights and the narrow profile just doesn't scream awesome to me. Love the exhaust and diffuser though.

Performance aside, I have to say that BMW has done (IMO only) a much better job on exterior style but that is subjective. For a car a muscular as a C63, it should LOOK more the part too.

Yeah I agree re: the taillights. But I do like the diffuser and integrated quad exhaust.

AMG did a pretty good job on the wheel choices though, IMO.







Also nice to have 6-piston fixed front calipers standard (carbon ceramics are optional).





Probably my favorite interior scheme:

[GrussGott]

Originally Posted by gthal

Something about the rear lights and the narrow profile just doesn't scream awesome to me.

Yeah ... the rear end doesn't look right to me - kinda scrunched or something. It also reminds me of a fluffy bunny, but I can't place why.

The interior is gorgeous but I'm not a fan of the floating tablet - looks like an add-on rather than a built-in.

Performance forgives a lot of sins in my book though.

[myzmak]

Originally Posted by ybbiz34

Those numbers are from MB. If you saw my reply to your question from yesterday, I indicated that the standard W205 is 3,615 lbs with fluids, no driver, and the fuel tank at 90% full.

figure out where my bad was. Kept reading the numbers for C63 S and thinking it was just C63....

What is MB's history of accuracy on curb weight vs reality?

[ybbiz34]

Originally Posted by GrussGott

Yeah ... the rear end doesn't look right to me - kinda scrunched or something. It also reminds me of a fluffy bunny, but I can't place why.

The interior is gorgeous but I'm not a fan of the floating tablet - looks like an add-on rather than a built-in.

Performance forgives a lot of sins in my book though.

I had the same reaction as you regarding the multimedia screen.

In person, especially when the car is on, it looks phenomenal. The display is crystal clear and it's very easy to quickly see/read everything on the screen. MB's new HUD is pretty slick too.

[ybbiz34]

Originally Posted by myzmak

figure out where my bad was. Kept reading the numbers for C63 S and thinking it was just C63....

What is MB's history of accuracy on curb weight vs reality?

MB's claimed curb weight for the W204 C63 is 3,816 lbs. Mine came in at 3,820 lbs with 1/4 tank of gas, no driver, and no luggage (I have every option box ticked except I opted for the seats with alcantara/DINAMICA inserts instead of full leather; don't know if that somehow saves weight).

However, I've seen W204 C63s weigh in at 3,950 lbs (max). http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...son/specs.html

[Jim B]

The Mercedes is NOT available with a manual transmission. That alone, is a deal killer for me!!

My build: M4 Coupe/Sakhir Orange/Sakhir Orange Full Leather/Carbon Fiber Interior Trim/6MT/Moonroof/19" Light Alloys/Adaptive M Suspension/Executive Pkg./Moonroof/Power Rear Sunshade/HK Audio/Enhanced USB & Bluetooth/Top & Side View Cameras

[dkhm3]

Originally Posted by ybbiz34

How do you find the traction on your M3? I've test driven both the F82 and F80 a few times now and was somewhat surprised at how easy it was to break loose the rear tires, particularly given their size.

When letting off the throttle in sweeping turns, traction was fine. Then again, off-throttle grip in the C63 is fine too.



Yeah I agree re: the taillights. But I do like the diffuser and integrated quad exhaust.

AMG did a pretty good job on the wheel choices though, IMO.

Let me preface this by saying I enjoyed my old C63, LOVED the engine- it was a masterpiece. Reliable and built like a rock the 3 years I had it.

Here is a couple of examples I have among many with the tire/handling issue-

On my commute to work there is a section of the freeway where it is a long 2 lane extended 60 degree turn. Typically, I will drive between 60-70 mph through this.

Sometimes if there are no cars, I will go 80-90 mph. In the c63 there is a section of uneven pavement where the C will become unsettled and rear will shuffle, with TC cutting power.

My old 335i and the x5 (315 rears) handled the pavement with complete poise, at the same speed. TC does not come on, the rears do not shuffle. the m3 is also completely fine.

Another example is when there is a 70 degree turn to a freeway onramp. I will take it fast (again only late at nite when there are no other cars visible or people)- the C will slide and lose traction, with the rears shuffling.

fyi- I had Bridgestone S-04 pole position tires on that car.

As far as the M3, the only times I have TC come on is when I am punching it, which is to be expected, same as the C. It is very easy to lose traction on the M3, the DCT shifts so hard the rears come loose. The M handles very confidently.

IMHO- the old c needed wider rear stance, and fatter tires. the new c may have the same concerns.

I agree those new wheels look amazing

[The Automotive Enthusiast]

Originally Posted by dkhm3

Let me preface this by saying I enjoyed my old C63, LOVED the engine- it was a masterpiece. Reliable and built like a rock the 3 years I had it.

Here is a couple of examples I have among many with the tire/handling issue-

On my commute to work there is a section of the freeway where it is a long 2 lane extended 60 degree turn. Typically, I will drive between 60-70 mph through this.

Sometimes if there are no cars, I will go 80-90 mph. In the c63 there is a section of uneven pavement where the C will become unsettled and rear will shuffle, with TC cutting power.

My old 335i and the x5 (315 rears) handled the pavement with complete poise, at the same speed. TC does not come on, the rears do not shuffle. the m3 is also completely fine.

Another example is when there is a 70 degree turn to a freeway onramp. I will take it fast (again only late at nite when there are no other cars visible or people)- the C will slide and lose traction, with the rears shuffling.

fyi- I had Bridgestone S-04 pole position tires on that car.

As far as the M3, the only times I have TC come on is when I am punching it, which is to be expected, same as the C. It is very easy to lose traction on the M3, the DCT shifts so hard the rears come loose. The M handles very confidently.

IMHO- the old c needed wider rear stance, and fatter tires. the new c may have the same concerns.

I agree those new wheels look amazing

While tires may play a factor in how the car takes a turn, this is more about suspension and dampening. My e92 328 xDrive would get out of shape if you hit a bump mid-corner. My fathers 2014 C300 does not. It depends how the car is set-up.

[The Automotive Enthusiast]

Originally Posted by GrussGott

Yeah ... the rear end doesn't look right to me - kinda scrunched or something. It also reminds me of a fluffy bunny, but I can't place why.

The interior is gorgeous but I'm not a fan of the floating tablet - looks like an add-on rather than a built-in.

Performance forgives a lot of sins in my book though.

The COMAND screen is actually really nice. It looks horrible in pictures, but once you actually sit in the car and see it, it doesn't look bad at all. It is something that you need to see with your own eyes though.

Pictures do not do it justice.

[Black Gold]

Originally Posted by Rev ///Me

While tires may play a factor in how the car takes a turn, this is more about suspension and dampening. My e92 328 xDrive would get out of shape if you hit a bump mid-corner. My fathers 2014 C300 does not. It depends how the car is set-up.

absolutely right. the suspension geometry, and these days the shocks, makes all the difference. good shock technology is completely changing how we can expect cars to handle while still maintaining excellent ride comfort. its apparent in the m3, but the new 991 is the best example and calibration ive experienced

the point about the tires was simply that the setup they are going with isn't ideal for performance, same as the m3 as we have seen from reviews and from my personal experience on track.

hopefully there is room to add more wheel width, since that monster v8 is going to require it

looking forward to this car and the rs variants of the a4 and also the a3, that could be cool

[The Automotive Enthusiast]

Originally Posted by KennyPowers

absolutely right. the suspension geometry, and these days the shocks, makes all the difference. good shock technology is completely changing how we can expect cars to handle while still maintaining excellent ride comfort. its apparent in the m3, but the new 991 is the best example and calibration ive experienced

the point about the tires was simply that the setup they are going with isn't ideal for performance, same as the m3 as we have seen from reviews and from my personal experience on track.

hopefully there is room to add more wheel width, since that monster v8 is going to require it

looking forward to this car and the rs variants of the a4 and also the a3, that could be cool

When I first drove the 991, I was very impressed on how the car soaked up bumps and kept it's composure! Very well done.

Mercedes knows 99% of the owners that actually buy the car aren't going anywhere near the track. Probably spirited drives every now and again. The hardware is there though, just needs to be swapped out for more track oriented hardware. I'm sure there's enough room up swap out the rear's to at least 275's without any modification or rubbing.

[ASAP]

I like everything a lot minus that ridiculous tablet in the middle. BMW did a great job with the integration of theirs but this looks like a massive Garmin unit in the middle.

[The Automotive Enthusiast]

Originally Posted by ASAP

I like everything a lot minus that ridiculous tablet in the middle. BMW did a great job with the integration of theirs but this looks like a massive Garmin unit in the middle.

With BMW, you get half an iPad instead of a full iPad. It's essentially the same thing.

[ybbiz34]

Originally Posted by Jim B

The Mercedes is NOT available with a manual transmission. That alone, is a deal killer for me!!

My build: M4 Coupe/Sakhir Orange/Sakhir Orange Full Leather/Carbon Fiber Interior Trim/6MT/Moonroof/19" Light Alloys/Adaptive M Suspension/Executive Pkg./Moonroof/Power Rear Sunshade/HK Audio/Enhanced USB & Bluetooth/Top & Side View Cameras

No 991 911 Turbo for you either!

Regardless, congrats on the new M4! Enjoy in good health.

Originally Posted by dkhm3

Let me preface this by saying I enjoyed my old C63, LOVED the engine- it was a masterpiece. Reliable and built like a rock the 3 years I had it.

Here is a couple of examples I have among many with the tire/handling issue-

On my commute to work there is a section of the freeway where it is a long 2 lane extended 60 degree turn. Typically, I will drive between 60-70 mph through this.

Sometimes if there are no cars, I will go 80-90 mph. In the c63 there is a section of uneven pavement where the C will become unsettled and rear will shuffle, with TC cutting power.

My old 335i and the x5 (315 rears) handled the pavement with complete poise, at the same speed. TC does not come on, the rears do not shuffle. the m3 is also completely fine.

Another example is when there is a 70 degree turn to a freeway onramp. I will take it fast (again only late at nite when there are no other cars visible or people)- the C will slide and lose traction, with the rears shuffling.

fyi- I had Bridgestone S-04 pole position tires on that car.

As far as the M3, the only times I have TC come on is when I am punching it, which is to be expected, same as the C. It is very easy to lose traction on the M3, the DCT shifts so hard the rears come loose. The M handles very confidently.

IMHO- the old c needed wider rear stance, and fatter tires. the new c may have the same concerns.

I agree those new wheels look amazing

That sounds more like a suspension/chassis-related problem that you were encountering. That is why I mentioned that the '12+ LCI C63s received entirely new suspensions.

The LCI models benefit from a redesigned front axle, a reinforced rear axle, and a significantly wider front track. The LCI models also received stiffer elastokinematics, revised geometry with more negative camber, and a larger rear stabilizer bar. The '12+ LCI W204s also got revised spring and damper rates (which would substantially help things such as tire vibration).

Regardless, all that matters now is that you love your new M3. At the moment, the F80 is simply one of the best performance cars out there for the money.

Keep on enjoying it safely my friend!

Originally Posted by Rev ///Me

While tires may play a factor in how the car takes a turn, this is more about suspension and dampening. My e92 328 xDrive would get out of shape if you hit a bump mid-corner. My fathers 2014 C300 does not. It depends how the car is set-up.

+1

Originally Posted by KennyPowers

absolutely right. the suspension geometry, and these days the shocks, makes all the difference. good shock technology is completely changing how we can expect cars to handle while still maintaining excellent ride comfort. its apparent in the m3, but the new 991 is the best example and calibration ive experienced

the point about the tires was simply that the setup they are going with isn't ideal for performance, same as the m3 as we have seen from reviews and from my personal experience on track.

hopefully there is room to add more wheel width, since that monster v8 is going to require it

looking forward to this car and the rs variants of the a4 and also the a3, that could be cool

How are you liking your new M3? You have a write-up anywhere?

Originally Posted by Rev ///Me

With BMW, you get half an iPad instead of a full iPad. It's essentially the same thing.

True. These iPad-type screens are here to stay, irrespective of manufacturer. While they may at first glance appear to be an eyesore, when these screens are "on," they are very easy to use/read.

[bimmerj]

Originally Posted by ybbiz34

No 991 911 Turbo for you either!

Regardless, congrats on the new M4! Enjoy in good health.



That sounds more like a suspension/chassis-related problem that you were encountering. That is why I mentioned that the '12+ LCI C63s received entirely new suspensions.

The LCI models benefit from a redesigned front axle, a reinforced rear axle, and a significantly wider front track. The LCI models also received stiffer elastokinematics, revised geometry with more negative camber, and a larger rear stabilizer bar. The '12+ LCI W204s also got revised spring and damper rates (which would substantially help things such as tire vibration).

Regardless, all that matters now is that you love your new M3. At the moment, the F80 is simply one of the best performance cars out there for the money.

Keep on enjoying it safely my friend!



+1



How are you liking your new M3? You have a write-up anywhere?



True. These iPad-type screens are here to stay, irrespective of manufacturer. While they may at first glance appear to be an eyesore, when these screens are "on," they are very easy to use/read.

I think the Ipad looking tablet is going to change angle soon.

[bimmerj]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...&v=C2g_QUgfYZI
From MBworld.

[gthal]

Originally Posted by bimmerj

https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...&v=C2g_QUgfYZI
From MBworld.

This is killing me... for anyone who knows me, I really want to love this car. The interior . The sound . The performance is very likely .

BUT... I find it is so soft looking and round. Almost like a little S Class. At the beginning of the video the rear could have been a C/E/S Class and the only thing that made if AMG was the exhaust. It doesn't say mean, sporty or eat your kids like the last gen car. As always, I will reserve judgement until I see it in person but I'm worried MB went too generic and too much E/S Class in this car. Please MB... Please MB... make the C63 coupe wide, mean and aggressive. No rounded rear. Less soft lines.

I really want this to be an internal brain argument for me in 3 years with the M4 but I'm worried I can't get over the soft and bubbly exterior style.

[fortressmaximus]

Originally Posted by gthal

This is killing me... for anyone who knows me, I really want to love this car. The interior . The sound . The performance is very likely .

BUT... I find it is so soft looking and round. Almost like a little S Class. At the beginning of the video the rear could have been a C/E/S Class and the only thing that made if AMG was the exhaust. It doesn't say mean, sporty or eat your kids like the last gen car. As always, I will reserve judgement until I see it in person but I'm worried MB went too generic and too much E/S Class in this car. Please MB... Please MB... make the C63 coupe wide, mean and aggressive. No rounded rear. Less soft lines.

I really want this to be an internal brain argument for me in 3 years with the M4 but I'm worried I can't get over the soft and bubbly exterior style.

The exterior is way too tame and boring in my opinion. It does not look menacing or mean whatsoever. I'm sure that performance-wise the car will be great though.

[ybbiz34]

Originally Posted by gthal

This is killing me... for anyone who knows me, I really want to love this car. The interior . The sound . The performance is very likely .

BUT... I find it is so soft looking and round. Almost like a little S Class. At the beginning of the video the rear could have been a C/E/S Class and the only thing that made if AMG was the exhaust. It doesn't say mean, sporty or eat your kids like the last gen car. As always, I will reserve judgement until I see it in person but I'm worried MB went too generic and too much E/S Class in this car. Please MB... Please MB... make the C63 coupe wide, mean and aggressive. No rounded rear. Less soft lines.

I really want this to be an internal brain argument for me in 3 years with the M4 but I'm worried I can't get over the soft and bubbly exterior style.

I hear ya. Your suggestions would only make the car better, as far as aesthetics are concerned.

Originally Posted by fortressmaximus

The exterior is way too tame and boring in my opinion. It does not look menacing or mean whatsoever. I'm sure that performance-wise the car will be great though.

I kind of like the sleeper look though, which is one of the reasons I chose the W204 C63 sedan (over the coupe). I don't care so much about the bark, just give me the bite.

Still, I think the front looks plenty aggressive. Same with the wheels/brakes.

[fortressmaximus]

Originally Posted by ybbiz34

I hear ya. Your suggestions would only make the car better, as far as aesthetics are concerned.

I kind of like the sleeper look though, which is one of the reasons I chose the W204 C63 sedan (over the coupe). I don't care so much about the bark, just give me the bite.

Still, I think the front looks plenty aggressive. Same with the wheels/brakes.

The front is hands down the best part. Side profile is pretty solid, but that rear half of the car just isn't that differentiating or aggressive enough in my opinion.

[bimmerj]

I don't like the rear. I am going to wait for the coupe.

[gthal]

Originally Posted by bimmerj

I don't like the rear. I am going to wait for the coupe.

Me too... hopefully it is better done and then the car will be a monster.