M-DCT Semantics and Subtleties

///ADMAN · 05-30-2014, 05:09 PM

My point is still the same. In a 335is, to go from P to D, you have to push the lever down. To go directly into reverse, you simply move the lever straight up. You can go directly from D to R in one movement.

As you stated, on M-DCT you start in P and have to move (or tap as you say) the lever to the right to get into D. To go into reverse, you have to first move (or tap) the lever back to the left to N in order to then move (or tap) into R.

Either way, you can't go from D to R on either DCT like you can in an Auto. In the 335is, I find it even more irritating while parking. Again, if you are in D+/- you cannot push the lever directly into R. You have to go back to N and then R. Looks to be the same on the M-DCT as well.

Swancoat · 05-30-2014, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ///ADMAN

My point is still the same. In a 335is, to go from P to D, you have to push the lever down. To go directly into reverse, you simply move the lever straight up. You can go directly from D to R in one movement.

As you stated, on M-DCT you start in P and have to move (or tap as you say) the lever to the right to get into D. To go into reverse, you have to first move (or tap) the lever back to the left to N in order to then move (or tap) into R.

Either way, you can't go from D to R on either DCT like you can in an Auto. In the 335is, I find it even more irritating while parking. Again, if you are in D+/- you cannot push the lever directly into R. You have to go back to N and then R. Looks to be the same on the M-DCT as well.

Look man, if you find it that hard to go from any forward driving mode (D, D'sport', whatever...) into reverse and back again I'd avoid more complicated things like shoes with laces.

CanAutM3 · 05-30-2014, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by ///ADMAN

My point is still the same. In a 335is, to go from P to D, you have to push the lever down. To go directly into reverse, you simply move the lever straight up. You can go directly from D to R in one movement.

As you stated, on M-DCT you start in P and have to move (or tap as you say) the lever to the right to get into D. To go into reverse, you have to first move (or tap) the lever back to the left to N in order to then move (or tap) into R.

Either way, you can't go from D to R on either DCT like you can in an Auto. In the 335is, I find it even more irritating while parking. Again, if you are in D+/- you cannot push the lever directly into R. You have to go back to N and then R. Looks to be the same on the M-DCT as well.

I give up

NewNole2001 · 05-31-2014, 05:58 PM

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I give up

It's like he didn't even read what you wrote.

Sir Loin · 05-31-2014, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by ///ADMAN

My point exactly. Same thing with M DCT. Looks like you cannot be in D+/- and then push it straight into R. You have to go back to D (like he did when he pushed the lever back into the center) and then pushed it into R.

Thanks for the video proof by the way...

At the end of the video, he stopped, while the stick was stationary in the center position, he pushed it to the left and the up to go into reverse.

He totally did not push the lever back into the center in order to go into R. I don't don't what video you watched.

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Originally Posted by ///ADMAN

As you stated, on M-DCT you start in P and have to move (or tap as you say) the lever to the right to get into D. To go into reverse, you have to first move (or tap) the lever back to the left to N in order to then move (or tap) into R.

CanAutM3 did not state M-DCT starts in P. He wrote:

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On the M-DCT, the lever always remains in the center position

In M-DCT, there is no such thing as P. You need to go back and reread what he wrote.

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Either way, you can't go from D to R on either DCT like you can in an Auto. In the 335is, I find it even more irritating while parking. Again, if you are in D+/- you cannot push the lever directly into R. You have to go back to N and then R. Looks to be the same on the M-DCT as well.

Why would you want to be able to push up to go into reverse when you are in D+/- mode? If that was possible, would you like to be able to go from 4th gear, push up to down shift, and go straight into reverse? That would sure fire your transmission. Do you think that would be a good idea?

First time I saw someone

what he wrote himself.

pkimM3r · 06-03-2014, 01:53 PM

damn ill stick to manual lol.

svc0x80 · 07-13-2014, 10:26 AM

A couple of more questions

1. In S/Manual mode will the transmission automatically downshift if I hit the gas?
2. What exactly are the differences, aside from shifting speed, in Comfort/Sport/Sport+.

Thanks.

CanAutM3 · 07-13-2014, 10:33 AM

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A couple of more questions

1. In S/Manual mode will the transmission automatically downshift if I hit the gas?
2. What exactly are the differences, aside from shifting speed, in Comfort/Sport/Sport+.

Thanks.

1. No

2. The harshness of the shift

redfox · 07-15-2014, 12:25 AM

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1. No

2. The harshness of the shift

Or the speed of the shift.

CanAutM3 · 07-15-2014, 04:46 AM

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1. No

2. The harshness of the shift

Or the speed of the shift.

This is the question I was responding to

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Originally Posted by svc0x80

2. What exactly are the differences, aside from shifting speed, in Comfort/Sport/Sport+.

redfox · 07-15-2014, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by CanAutM3

This is the question I was responding to

Doh! You got me.

gmarshman · 07-23-2014, 09:25 AM

Hi, new owner of an M4 w/DCT. Having a small issue and wondering if there is a solution out there, or if I'm imagining things:

True or false--if the car is shut off in neutral there is no way to put it in Park and no way to lock the car. If true, this is a change from the old generation M3. If the car is in Neutral when you shut it off, you must re-start the engine and put it in gear and then shut if off at which point it goes into Park. Then you can get out and lock it.

If I have it wrong and this is not true I hope someone can explain it to me.

Wah · 07-23-2014, 09:33 AM

This was discussed in another thread recently. I too had an e92 that would go into P from N when shut off but a couple f8x owners said that doesn't happen in the new car. You must be in gear.

/// M sa · 07-23-2014, 09:37 AM

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This was discussed in another thread recently. I too had an e92 that would go into P from N when shut off but a couple f8x owners said that doesn't happen in the new car. You must be in gear.

It doesn't happened in the new car it needs to be in gear when shut off

irablumberg · 07-23-2014, 09:40 AM

Just to be clear, on the F80 / F82 cars with DCT if you shut off the engine in N, the car stays in N and displays a warning about preventing the car from rolling. To get the car into P, you must shut down in R or D. If you shut down in N, you do have to restart, put the car in R or D and shut down again to get to P.

gmarshman · 07-23-2014, 09:46 AM

That's my experience also.

mkoesel · 07-23-2014, 09:57 AM

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Just to be clear, on the F80 / F82 cars with DCT if you shut off the engine in N, the car stays in N and displays a warning about preventing the car from rolling. To get the car into P, you must shut down in R or D. If you shut down in N, you do have to restart, put the car in R or D and shut down again to get to P.

Hi. So you're concurring with the OP and saying his claim is true. Correct?

I wonder if it eventually will go into Park? I believe the E9x M3 will after 30 minutes if left sitting in neutral.

DreF80///M3 · 07-23-2014, 10:28 AM

If you press the power button once from D, the F80 will be placed in P. If you use the gear selector and put the car in N and hit the button once it will remain in N. Hit it again and it automatically goes in P.

ss134 · 07-23-2014, 12:01 PM

To clarify- if you stop the car , put it in N and push the start/stop button. Apply hand brake if on a hill then take foot off the brake and push start/stop button for a second time - car will shut down completely and go into Park.

You must take your foot off the brake before the second button push for it to go into P with this method.

When you turn the car back on you will be in N- as it should be.

gmarshman · 07-23-2014, 12:06 PM

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To clarify- if you stop the car , put it in N and push the start/stop button. Apply hand brake if on a hill then take foot off the brake and push start/stop button for a second time - car will shut down completely and go into Park.

You must take your foot off the brake before the second button push for it to go into P with this method.

When you turn the car back on you will be in N- as it should be.

Gonna run downstairs and try to verify this. Be right back.

solstice · 07-23-2014, 12:13 PM

What are you guys doing in N anyway? I can probably count the times I put my E90 M3 into N on one hand over ~4 years and ~40k miles of daily driving...This shouldn't really be an issue IMO.

gmarshman · 07-23-2014, 12:16 PM

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What are you guys doing in N anyway? I can probably count the times I put my E90 M3 into N on one hand over ~4 years and ~40k miles of daily driving...This shouldn't really be an issue IMO.

It's only an issue because it's different than my old M3 and I happen to have found myself in Neutral a couple of times.

I just tried again and I was unable to get it into P without re-starting the engine and putting it in gear and then turning off again. I could not do it by taking my foot off the brake and then hitting stop/start again--all that did was re-start the engine.

I did not experiment with the handbrake so I suppose that could be the difference.

05-30-2014, 05:09 PM	#45
///ADMAN Lieutenant 40 Rep 493 Posts Drives: 2013 BMW 335is Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Sin City iTrader: (0) Garage List 2013 BMW 335is [10.00]	My point is still the same. In a 335is, to go from P to D, you have to push the lever down. To go directly into reverse, you simply move the lever straight up. You can go directly from D to R in one movement. As you stated, on M-DCT you start in P and have to move (or tap as you say) the lever to the right to get into D. To go into reverse, you have to first move (or tap) the lever back to the left to N in order to then move (or tap) into R. Either way, you can't go from D to R on either DCT like you can in an Auto. In the 335is, I find it even more irritating while parking. Again, if you are in D+/- you cannot push the lever directly into R. You have to go back to N and then R. Looks to be the same on the M-DCT as well.
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svc0x80 Private First Class 8 Rep 110 Posts Drives: F82 Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: USA iTrader: (0)	A couple of more questions 1. In S/Manual mode will the transmission automatically downshift if I hit the gas? 2. What exactly are the differences, aside from shifting speed, in Comfort/Sport/Sport+. Thanks.
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gmarshman Enlisted Member 4 Rep 37 Posts Drives: 2015 M4 Metallic Grey Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: CT USA iTrader: (0)	M-DCT subtlties and semantics 101 Hi, new owner of an M4 w/DCT. Having a small issue and wondering if there is a solution out there, or if I'm imagining things: True or false--if the car is shut off in neutral there is no way to put it in Park and no way to lock the car. If true, this is a change from the old generation M3. If the car is in Neutral when you shut it off, you must re-start the engine and put it in gear and then shut if off at which point it goes into Park. Then you can get out and lock it. If I have it wrong and this is not true I hope someone can explain it to me.
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irablumberg Lieutenant 239 Rep 407 Posts Drives: 2021 M5 Competition Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Portland, OR iTrader: (0)	Just to be clear, on the F80 / F82 cars with DCT if you shut off the engine in N, the car stays in N and displays a warning about preventing the car from rolling. To get the car into P, you must shut down in R or D. If you shut down in N, you do have to restart, put the car in R or D and shut down again to get to P.
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DreF80///M3 Private 11 Rep 76 Posts Drives: BMW M3 (F80) Join Date: May 2012 Location: Florida iTrader: (0)	If you press the power button once from D, the F80 will be placed in P. If you use the gear selector and put the car in N and hit the button once it will remain in N. Hit it again and it automatically goes in P.
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ss134 Brigadier General 230 Rep 3,899 Posts Drives: F80 M3 Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Germany/UK iTrader: (1)	To clarify- if you stop the car , put it in N and push the start/stop button. Apply hand brake if on a hill then take foot off the brake and push start/stop button for a second time - car will shut down completely and go into Park. You must take your foot off the brake before the second button push for it to go into P with this method. When you turn the car back on you will be in N- as it should be. __________________ 2014 AW F80 M3 DCT 2011 AW E90 M3 DCT - Sold 2010 JZB E90 M3 DCT - Sold 2009 6MT E90 LCI 335i M -Sport - Sold
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solstice Major General 5457 Rep 7,037 Posts Drives: 2015 M3 6MT Join Date: May 2013 Location: Seattle iTrader: (0)	What are you guys doing in N anyway? I can probably count the times I put my E90 M3 into N on one hand over ~4 years and ~40k miles of daily driving...This shouldn't really be an issue IMO.
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