DTC-60 or DTC-70 for dedicated track pads?

[MAG22]

I'm searching for the best dedicated track pad that FCP Euro carries. It seems that Hawk DTC-60 and DTC-70 fits that bill. And yes, the reason is because of their return program.

Me: 2016 F80, ZCP, DCT, 100% OEM except for Motul 600. I only have 1 track day under my belt, but it's all I think about now. On that day, I learned that I need better tires, brake pads and camber plates. Those 3 things robbed my confidence and I think everyone agrees they are the first 3 things to upgrade. I'm going with new NT01s on beat up SM-10 18x10 and 18x11 wheels. I picked up used camber plates, and now I'm on to brake pads. My intention is to grow into my equipment, with smart upgrades, on the cheap.

I remember seeing a chart showing that 70s need a bit more temp to work, but ultimately have a higher Mu when heated up. The hawk website says 60's are for lightweight cars, so that's why I'm tending towards the 70s. I have also heard that some go with a staggered configuration with 70s on the front and 60s on the rear, but I don't think I want to mess with the balance like that.

I'm not worried about dust or noise.

Thoughts on 60 vs 70? Thoughts on how they'll match up to NT01's given everything else is OEM?

[NYG]

Welcome to your new addiction - first step is to join us at the track forum. Only a few of us surf around so you'll get some more replies there.

Stick to DTC-60. Your real limitation here will be the stock suspension - there's a lot of weight transfer to the front under hard braking and DTC-70 will make it even more pronounced. Even the DTC-60 will outperform the NT01 after a few track days. The Hawk description is really race car specific.

I use DTC-60 front and rear on my R8.

Also highly suggest switching to Castrol SRF with race pads that generate a lot of heat. The F8x has terrible brake cooling and you will, without fail, boil any brake fluid you use. This will ruin your track day/weekend. Even if you boil the SRF, you can keep using it.

Primary upgrades to focus on with this platform = Suspension/Big Brake Kit

[hC1001]

Originally Posted by MAG22

I'm searching for the best dedicated track pad that FCP Euro carries. It seems that Hawk DTC-60 and DTC-70 fits that bill. And yes, the reason is because of their return program.

Me: 2016 F80, ZCP, DCT, 100% OEM except for Motul 600. I only have 1 track day under my belt, but it's all I think about now. On that day, I learned that I need better tires, brake pads and camber plates. Those 3 things robbed my confidence and I think everyone agrees they are the first 3 things to upgrade. I'm going with new NT01s on beat up SM-10 18x10 and 18x11 wheels. I picked up used camber plates, and now I'm on to brake pads. My intention is to grow into my equipment, with smart upgrades, on the cheap.

I remember seeing a chart showing that 70s need a bit more temp to work, but ultimately have a higher Mu when heated up. The hawk website says 60's are for lightweight cars, so that's why I'm tending towards the 70s. I have also heard that some go with a staggered configuration with 70s on the front and 60s on the rear, but I don't think I want to mess with the balance like that.

I'm not worried about dust or noise.

Thoughts on 60 vs 70? Thoughts on how they'll match up to NT01's given everything else is OEM?

I ran DTC-60 front and rear for a 3 day DE event(advanced solo group). They worked great and i had no issues with them. I also ran titanium shims with them to protect the dust boots and caliper paint.

[MAG22]

Thanks for the replies. That all makes sense. DTC-60 it is. I'm going to post over on the track sub-forum now for some more exposure.

[drroc]

DTC70 is pretty aggressive and makes it hard to modulate the braking. They have a bit of a binary feel to them.

[Mortis]

Resurrecting an old thread but just thought I would share my experience …. I too went the DTC 70/60 route - used them for a first track weekend and thought they were great - even better than the PFC08s I normally use. Then I noticed that they really chewed up the rotors (had just changed them so it was obvious) and generated huge amounts of brake dust. Normally that would not be an issue but I hear it’s corrosive if it gets wet (and of course on the drive home with them on and on my 666s it poured) so ended up doing a wheel cleaning job at midnight after returning from track. Ultimately great track pads, great deal from FCP Euro but what a PITA! Switched back to the PFC08s.

[MAG22]

Thanks for the info. I ended up with DTC-60 all around. I'll let you know what I think May 6th at Pocono.

[JustAnothaM4]

Here are some issues you may run into. My personal experience with DTC pads but your milage may vary.

Cons:
Corrosive when wet
Brake Dust galore
Hard on rotors
Don't mix well with other compounds and can cause steering vibration (pad deposits)
Require a fair bit of "bed-in" when new or swapping between street and track pads

These cons are huge PITA for me. Ive also tried Porterfield, Pagid, Raybestos, and PFC. IMO PFC pads are by far the easiest to use. There is basically have little to no "bed-in" process and 0 vibration when swapping between street and track pads.

[Mortis]

Another con : they don’t last long at all. 2 track days tops.