Coby Wheel
BMW Garage BMW Meets Register Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Go Back   BMW M3 and BMW M4 Forum > BMW F80 M3 / F82 M4 Technical Topics > Engine / Drivetrain / Exhaust / Bolt-ons / Tuning

Post Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      12-04-2017, 10:46 AM   #23
CaryTheLabelGuy
Colonel
CaryTheLabelGuy's Avatar
United_States
2572
Rep
2,817
Posts

Drives: 2016 M4 ZCP
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: Jacksonville, FL

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by schnell1982 View Post
Any before and after tuning numbers ?
Great gains
But Dynojet reads pretty high compared to Mustang for example
Curious of what the overall gains were.
Great work on keeping us posted on the Bootmod stuff. Deff a great product
This particular car wasn't baselined due to already having E85 in the tank. However, there are many instances were I/we have been able to get a baseline and the delta, in some instances, were in excess of 180whp. Type of dyno doesn't matter as much when we're talking about delta (which is what really matters), so keep that in mind.
Appreciate 2
FSociety3476.50

      12-04-2017, 12:13 PM   #24
schnell1982
Captain
312
Rep
933
Posts

Drives: FAST
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: Southern California

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by CaryTheLabelGuy View Post
This particular car wasn't baselined due to already having E85 in the tank. However, there are many instances were I/we have been able to get a baseline and the delta, in some instances, were in excess of 180whp. Type of dyno doesn't matter as much when we're talking about delta (which is what really matters), so keep that in mind.
Yup. I'm only interested in the delta #'s
Dyno brands don't matter to me
Appreciate 0
      12-04-2017, 12:40 PM   #25
TR930
Car Enthusiast
United_States
195
Rep
743
Posts

Drives: 2016 F80 M3 TB/AB
Join Date: May 2015
Location: Denver Area

iTrader: (3)

Is there a high altitude E85 map that has been worked out yet? I'm at 5280.
Appreciate 0
      12-04-2017, 02:09 PM   #26
obriennathaniel
@obriennathaniel_f30 on Instagram
obriennathaniel's Avatar
United_States
502
Rep
1,066
Posts

Drives: 582whp/596wtq '13 335i
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Houston,Tx ig:obriennathaniel_f30

iTrader: (0)

Does any of this e85 tuning help towards tuning e85 on the n55?
__________________

CG Precision VS-1 Exhaust\DR-1 DownPipe | PS2 Turbo\Inlet | PDU PI w/Fuel-it platinum kit & E sensor | GFB DV+ Diverter Valve | BM3 w/AIC2-V|Tune CaryTheLabelGuy | Full E85 | ATM FMIC | ER Chargepipe Inlet/Outlet | AFE Intake | BC Coilovers | PSS 255/40-275/35 Velos Designwerks S3 two piece 19x9/19x10 | Osram Xenarc | LED retro | AWRON digital AC gauge|
Appreciate 1
FSociety3476.50

      12-04-2017, 02:43 PM   #27
Alan l.
Major General
Alan l.'s Avatar
3465
Rep
7,648
Posts

Drives: 2020 F95 X5M Competition
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: United States

iTrader: (9)

Impressive numbers.

Is there any downsides to running E85 on the car long term wise?
__________________
Appreciate 0
      12-04-2017, 02:55 PM   #28
stevehifi
Lieutenant
217
Rep
440
Posts

Drives: 17 F80 M3 ZCP
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Irvine,CA

iTrader: (2)

any numbers with these mods with just 91 octane?
Appreciate 0
      12-04-2017, 03:19 PM   #29
The_Wood
Captain
The_Wood's Avatar
76
Rep
846
Posts

Drives: f80 M3
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Dallas

iTrader: (20)

This is awesome. I definitely plan to go with Bootmod if I pick up another f80. Great stuff!
Appreciate 0
      12-04-2017, 03:37 PM   #30
CaryTheLabelGuy
Colonel
CaryTheLabelGuy's Avatar
United_States
2572
Rep
2,817
Posts

Drives: 2016 M4 ZCP
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: Jacksonville, FL

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by TR930 View Post
Is there a high altitude E85 map that has been worked out yet? I'm at 5280.
I've done multiple high elevation E85 tunes. I've got a customer running at around 6kMSL on straight E85 AND Pure Stage 2 turbos.
Appreciate 0
      12-04-2017, 03:41 PM   #31
CaryTheLabelGuy
Colonel
CaryTheLabelGuy's Avatar
United_States
2572
Rep
2,817
Posts

Drives: 2016 M4 ZCP
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: Jacksonville, FL

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by obriennathaniel View Post
Does any of this e85 tuning help towards tuning e85 on the n55?
The N55 has 1 HPFP as opposed to the S55, which has two. However, I'm working on applying some of what I've learned from the S55, with regards to the fuel tuning for E85, to the N55 as we speak. In the meantime, I can do custom tunes for the N55 PWG and EWG.
Appreciate 1
FSociety3476.50

      12-04-2017, 03:42 PM   #32
CaryTheLabelGuy
Colonel
CaryTheLabelGuy's Avatar
United_States
2572
Rep
2,817
Posts

Drives: 2016 M4 ZCP
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: Jacksonville, FL

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan l. View Post
Impressive numbers.

Is there any downsides to running E85 on the car long term wise?
None really. The only preventative maintanence that really needs to be performed is running a tank of pump gas through the system every 3-5k miles or so, then switch back to straight E85.
Appreciate 0
      12-04-2017, 03:58 PM   #33
bmbweber
Lieutenant
United_States
176
Rep
447
Posts

Drives: 2014 435i M-Sport
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Chicago

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by S.Carter View Post
Holy geez, it seems I dont even need pure turbos to hit 550w! The potential is scary. Do you believe the intakes and midpipe back exhaust is required?
There was another member that saw 580hp and 560tq with dp's, intake, and exhaust on a custom map with 100% E85. He posted it on the Facebook group.
Attached Images
 
Appreciate 1
FSociety3476.50

      12-04-2017, 04:10 PM   #34
danniexi
Brigadier General
danniexi's Avatar
No_Country
1620
Rep
3,566
Posts

Drives: 2016 F80 M3 LCI
Join Date: May 2008
Location: NJ/NY

iTrader: (15)

Garage List
2016 BMW F80 M3  [5.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by CaryTheLabelGuy View Post
None really. The only preventative maintanence that really needs to be performed is running a tank of pump gas through the system every 3-5k miles or so, then switch back to straight E85.
mind boggling how you're able to do this on the stock fuel system. and to think that the LPFPs weren't able to cope the entire time. well done.
__________________
Appreciate 0
      12-04-2017, 04:25 PM   #35
Ghostriderf80
Got Tools?? Use them.
Ghostriderf80's Avatar
United Kingdom
723
Rep
1,166
Posts

Drives: Just a BMW
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Netz

iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by nars3000 View Post
My ZCP had a baseline of 481.81 whp and 474.18 ft/lb at EAS. Mods were newly installed VRSF down pipes and charge pipes, JB4 set to Map 0, and 4 gallons of E85.

On Map 2, it dyno'd at 505.17 whp and 515.42 ft/lb.
480 WHP?? I believe it brake hp. 480 WHP means the US cars are strong than EU cars. Unless you are running dry ice and jet fuel.

Sorry man, I am in disbelief.
__________________
1980 VW Rabbit 8v- 4spd - #1 First car - Thanks Dad
2014 M5 past 2016 M3 Comp DCT
Porsche Cayenne S
Porsche Macan S
Future Porsche 911
Appreciate 0
      12-04-2017, 04:26 PM   #36
clutchdj
Major
639
Rep
1,438
Posts

Drives: a few cars
Join Date: May 2015
Location: the lower outskirts of nYc

iTrader: (5)

"Custom-tune" ok, so how did the EGTs read and has there been enough time to gather long term fuel trims? Is this sustainable power that is marketable?

Nice leap of power at 5k.
104 octane is a beautiful thing.
what vendor is being used for the juice?
Appreciate 0
      12-04-2017, 04:30 PM   #37
04cobra
Banned
618
Rep
1,053
Posts

Drives: 2015 M3 - 6MT
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: MN

iTrader: (0)

Any crankhub issues?
Appreciate 0
      12-04-2017, 04:49 PM   #38
Soofy
Carholics
Soofy's Avatar
United_States
190
Rep
175
Posts

Drives: Z4 GT3
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: San Diego

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by S.Carter View Post
Holy geez, it seems I dont even need pure turbos to hit 550w! The potential is scary. Do you believe the intakes and midpipe back exhaust is required?
Lool you can see the power falling at 6100rmp due the turbos, with PS2 and 91 octane you make that power to the red line
Attached Images
 
__________________
Z4 GT3 BodyKit | Pure Turbos | Fuel It | LiteSpeed Racing Wheels | GT250 APR Performance Wing | Studio RSR Rollbar | GTHAUS Meisterschaft turbo back | DinMann CF parts | RECARO CS Sportster | JB4 | CSF Cooling System | Full Custom interior | 2M AutoWerks | Viral vinyl werks | Toyo Tires | Ceramic Pro | Oneighty NYC | DOC Race | M3/M4 BBK | SSP Upgraded Clutches | Custom Coilovers with Hydraulift System By Status Gruppe |
Appreciate 1
iuhutch104.50

      12-04-2017, 05:24 PM   #39
nlpamg
MBWorld Spy
United_States
169
Rep
798
Posts

Drives: M3 30 Jahre, 991.2 GT3 RS
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Los Angeles

iTrader: (2)

Uhhhhh... I want in. I just want a mild power bump and an extremely conservative tune since the car is a dd and has to be subjected to shit 91 octane. What numbers can I expect? Thanks!
__________________

Time to participate in the douchey signature blocks
Current: 2017 BMW M3 30 Jahre, 2019 Porsche GT3 RS, 2020 Supra
Notable Past: 2018 Porsche GT3, 2015 Porsche GT3, 2012 Nissan GT-R Black Edition Alpha 6+, 2008 BMW M5 Dinan, 2006 BMW M3, 2014 Mercedes CLA45 AMG
Appreciate 0
      12-04-2017, 05:46 PM   #40
Justin.AutoTalent
Banned
3029
Rep
2,988
Posts

Drives: F80 M3
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: LA

iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by bmbweber View Post
There was another member that saw 580hp and 560tq with dp's, intake, and exhaust on a custom map with 100% E85. He posted it on the Facebook group.
Our dyno reads a little low. We also did another one the following week that did 59x/64x (Wheel horsepower/Wheel Torque). I'll attach a pic from my cell phone when I find it.
Appreciate 1
FSociety3476.50

      12-04-2017, 05:47 PM   #41
Justin.AutoTalent
Banned
3029
Rep
2,988
Posts

Drives: F80 M3
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: LA

iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by nlpamg View Post
Uhhhhh... I want in. I just want a mild power bump and an extremely conservative tune since the car is a dd and has to be subjected to shit 91 octane. What numbers can I expect? Thanks!
On average, 460/500. (on the conservative side of results) I've seen upwards of 480/540 on stage 1 though.
Appreciate 1
FSociety3476.50

      12-04-2017, 05:49 PM   #42
Justin.AutoTalent
Banned
3029
Rep
2,988
Posts

Drives: F80 M3
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: LA

iTrader: (1)

Mods:

- MSR Intake
- AWE Exhaust & dp
Attached Images
 
Appreciate 1
FSociety3476.50

      12-04-2017, 05:54 PM   #43
iuhutch
Captain
iuhutch's Avatar
United_States
105
Rep
659
Posts

Drives: 18%E2%80%99 F80 ZCP
Join Date: May 2013
Location: local

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by CaryTheLabelGuy View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by JDE92M3 View Post
This could be a loaded question, but what would the approximate power/torque differences be when comparing 93 octane to E85? I love the power gains and consistency of E85, but hate how it is not available everywhere. We do have a lot of gas stations that offer it, but that would require me to plan out my trips a lot more haha. Solid numbers and amazing tune from what I can see! Making me want to make the switch to BM3 very soon...

JD
The advantages of E85 far outweigh the disadvantages of having to plan a trip to the station that carries it. 93 doesn't even come close to comparing.
Can the stock tune take any advantage of any e85? No JB until breakin here
Appreciate 0
      12-04-2017, 07:04 PM   #44
FriedPiston
Colonel
United_States
1260
Rep
2,243
Posts

Drives: M4
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Crenshaw

iTrader: (24)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ghostriderf80 View Post
480 WHP?? I believe it brake hp. 480 WHP means the US cars are strong than EU cars. Unless you are running dry ice and jet fuel.

Sorry man, I am in disbelief.
LOL! A good majority of us don't have the means to do a flywheel dyno, so it's pretty much safe to assume that all dyno ratings are measured in WHP.

BMW has been known to provide power output measurements similar to the numbers you get out of a wheel based dyno. However, they never claim it as such, so people just assume that 448hp is at the flywheel. It does make for a very satisfying moment when the owner sees that their car dyno'd close to the advertised power output except in WHP.
Appreciate 0
Post Reply

Bookmarks

Tags
bme, dynojet, eas, flash, m5killer

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:15 AM.




f80post
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST