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      04-13-2018, 12:38 AM   #23
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I like how you instantly jump to 'trolls' for someone that disagrees with you. More of a reflection on you, than on anyone else.

Anyways, I think this is a nice improvement on GPS accuracy, but I stand by my statement that having a little reliance on your own knowledge, and good situational awareness beats out GPS accuracy for it's impact on driving safety. Not saying you can't have both, but over-reliance on technology comes at a cost.
Well, a kid died last night in Cincinnati because 911/GPS thought the victims car was across the street in a commercial parking lot instead of the school parking lot.

But you don't think GPS accuracy to within 1.5M is needed.

Wonder what you would think if it was your child?
Oh ffs. It's not GPS that led to that. The fundamental issue was a recall on a sixteen year old car that had been available for a decade. So who's more to blame, satellites and decoding or a car owner who didn't take a safety recall seriously? I mean, if his parents had just been whalers, he'd have had a flare gun in the car, but no, we banned whaling. So it's on all of us for not letting people shoot large mammals with harpoons.
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Oh ffs. It's not GPS that led to that. The fundamental issue was a recall on a sixteen year old car that had been available for a decade. So who's more to blame, satellites and decoding or a car owner who didn't take a safety recall seriously? I mean, if his parents had just been whalers, he'd have had a flare gun in the car, but no, we banned whaling. So it's on all of us for not letting people shoot large mammals with harpoons.
Regardless of parents not doing safety recall, the fact remains the kid would be alive today if GPS did not make police think the car was across the street in a commercial parking lot.

Funny how you are celebrating iOS 11.3 which gives more detail on your iPhone but dissing tech advances in other areas - which cost a kid their life last night.
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FFS, that wasn't the argument! Your argument was knowing what lane you're in as far as improvements to tell you where to go, which is useless.

But keep changing your argument. Thank fk you're not a lawyer.
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Well, a kid died last night in Cincinnati because 911/GPS thought the victims car was across the street in a commercial parking lot instead of the school parking lot.

But you don’t think GPS accuracy to within 1.5M is needed.

Wonder what you would think if it was your child?
First of all, the case was more complicated than that, yes, I've read about it, and it looks like more of a failure on the 911 call workers than on anything GPS related, as the kid gave explicit instructions as to where he was.

Second, did you really just imply 'do it for the children'? That's just pitiful.
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Most of my maps like Apple, Google and Waze already know which lane Iím in and give me lane guidance. Am I missing something here?
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Oh ffs. It's not GPS that led to that. The fundamental issue was a recall on a sixteen year old car that had been available for a decade. So who's more to blame, satellites and decoding or a car owner who didn't take a safety recall seriously? I mean, if his parents had just been whalers, he'd have had a flare gun in the car, but no, we banned whaling. So it's on all of us for not letting people shoot large mammals with harpoons.
Regardless of parents not doing safety recall, the fact remains the kid would be alive today if GPS did not make police think the car was across the street in a commercial parking lot.

Funny how you are celebrating iOS 11.3 which gives more detail on your iPhone but dissing tech advances in other areas - which cost a kid their life last night.
Yeah, but I drive a manual and wear a mechanical watch. I've also never used cruise control and while I use GPS for guidance, I primarily use my eyes to verify what's coming up. And in cases like your pic above in multi lane traffic, I know that if my nav is telling me to do something in half a mile, I should probably be towards the right, not goofing off in the HOV lanes.

The funny thing about this whole thread is that no one has said GPS accuracy shouldn't be tighter, some of us have just said it's no big deal. We're not anti diluvian retro grouches, we're just capable of getting places without having our hand held.
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Yeah, but I drive a manual and wear a mechanical watch. I've also never used cruise control and while I use GPS for guidance, I primarily use my eyes to verify what's coming up. And in cases like your pic above in multi lane traffic, I know that if my nav is telling me to do something in half a mile, I should probably be towards the right, not goofing off in the HOV lanes.

The funny thing about this whole thread is that no one has said GPS accuracy shouldn't be tighter, some of us have just said it's no big deal. We're not anti diluvian retro grouches, we're just capable of getting places without having our hand held.
Your iPhone worked with iOS 11.2.6 as well.

It works better with iOS 11.3 which you have heaped praise on.

And God forbid your tune didn’t have access to the most precise info for control.

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Most of my maps like Apple, Google and Waze already know which lane I’m in and give me lane guidance. Am I missing something here?
Actually, most situations they do not as posted by me and others in this thread.

Your GPS “assumes” to know where you are based on where the road is.

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FFS, that wasn't the argument! Your argument was knowing what lane you're in as far as improvements to tell you where to go, which is useless.

But keep changing your argument. Thank fk you're not a lawyer.
There are many benefits to improved accuracy. Your view is just myopic.

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First of all, the case was more complicated than that, yes, I've read about it, and it looks like more of a failure on the 911 call workers than on anything GPS related, as the kid gave explicit instructions as to where he was.

Second, did you really just imply 'do it for the children'? That's just pitiful.
The kid could not hear the 911 operator and listening to the audio one cannot make out a key word where kid says he was. Even though 911 operator ask him to repeat, he could not hear the 911 operators responses and repeat.

The school was closed and no one thought to look for vehicle on its grounds. Across the street, where there was commercial business parking lot (and GPS reported car was) there was no car.

So yes, more precise GPS would have saved life.
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Dude, you're so far lost. I have a good friend who's a cop. If I told him that there was a kid trapped in a car and gave him a fifteen foot estimate of where it was, he'd be in exactly the same boat as if I told him where it was to the inch. Cops made assumptions and a kid died. It's not a satellite problem.

And I'm not hopping up and down about 11.3, it still has issues. My X has been more reliable than others, but in theory, they're all identical.

In the same light, for cycling, I use a Garmin that triangulates from GPS and GLONASS for more accuracy. No reason a car or phone can't use the same technology, it's only money.
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Dude, you're so far lost. I have a good friend who's a cop. If I told him that there was a kid trapped in a car and gave him a fifteen foot estimate of where it was, he'd be in exactly the same boat as if I told him where it was to the inch. Cops made assumptions and a kid died. It's not a satellite problem.

And I'm not hopping up and down about 11.3, it still has issues. My X has been more reliable than others, but in theory, they're all identical.

In the same light, for cycling, I use a Garmin that triangulates from GPS and GLONASS for more accuracy. No reason a car or phone can't use the same technology, it's only money.
Cops thought the call was fake as they didn’t see a car in a School parking lot ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD.

Then again, you want more accuracy on your bike, but dissed more accuracy early on in thread.

And some say I’m lost!
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Your iPhone worked with iOS 11.2.6 as well.

It works better with iOS 11.3 which you have heaped praise on.

And God forbid your tune didnít have access to the most precise info for control.



Actually, most situations they do not as posted by me and others in this thread.

Your GPS ďassumesĒ to know where you are based on where the road is.



There are many benefits to improved accuracy. Your view is just myopic.



The kid could not hear the 911 operator and listening to the audio one cannot make out a key word where kid says he was. Even though 911 operator ask him to repeat, he could not hear the 911 operators responses and repeat.

The school was closed and no one thought to look for vehicle on its grounds. Across the street, where there was commercial business parking lot (and GPS reported car was) there was no car.

So yes, more precise GPS would have saved life.
Holy fuck, you are completely out of touch with reality. Or, you're the troll that you accused everyone else of being.

Either way, further discussion with you is a complete waste of time.
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Dude, you're so far lost. I have a good friend who's a cop. If I told him that there was a kid trapped in a car and gave him a fifteen foot estimate of where it was, he'd be in exactly the same boat as if I told him where it was to the inch. Cops made assumptions and a kid died. It's not a satellite problem.

And I'm not hopping up and down about 11.3, it still has issues. My X has been more reliable than others, but in theory, they're all identical.

In the same light, for cycling, I use a Garmin that triangulates from GPS and GLONASS for more accuracy. No reason a car or phone can't use the same technology, it's only money.
Cops thought the call was fake as they didn't see a car in a School parking lot ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD.

Then again, you want more accuracy on your bike, but dissed more accuracy early on in thread.

And some say I'm lost!
GPS, even occluded wouldn't have put him on the other side of the road. Human error was involved here. Not everything can be pegged on technology.

And yes, I gladly accept more accuracy when it's warranted. People driving cars at 70+ mph don't need as much as some one plotting power consumption and distance travelled off road, under tree cover in the literal mountains. But if someone wants to pay for it for car guidance or similar, I don't object to it.

Why is that hard to grasp? Some of us don't think it's a big deal but no one has said it shouldn't be available.
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A computer-aided dispatch report contained latitude-longitude coordinates on that call. Notes in that report indicated the call may have come from the "thrift store parking lot across the street." Seven Hills has a resale store across Red Bank Road from the school's Hillsdale campus.

With GPS data, why wasn't teen found in van?

https://www.wcpo.com/news/local-news...icers-find-him
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Ahh, and I remember in the early days of GPS the federal government would on purpose have the accuracy altered on all signals for security. Not sure what changed to allow them to be more accurate.
Accuracy down to knowing who is sitting in the drivers seat is what I am after so that it can disable that phone when moving. : - )

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Ahh, and I remember in the early days of GPS the federal government would on purpose have the accuracy altered on all signals for security. Not sure what changed to allow them to be more accurate.
Presidential Order (I think it was during W's tenure, circa 2004) to unfuze the civillian signal. It can still be fuzzed, by Presidential order, during a national emergency. Say, we go to war with Russia/China, and we would prefer that their precision guided munitions are...less precise.
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Ahh, and I remember in the early days of GPS the federal government would on purpose have the accuracy altered on all signals for security. Not sure what changed to allow them to be more accurate.
Presidential Order (I think it was during W's tenure, circa 2004) to unfuze the civillian signal. It can still be fuzzed, by Presidential order, during a national emergency. Say, we go to war with Russia/China, and we would prefer that their precision guided munitions are...less precise.
Assuming GLONASS is similarly scrambled. I'd imagine most munitions can utilize both systems.
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While GLONASS currently has global coverage, it has had problems with this in the past, and to be honest, it is still problematic.
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