05-15-2014, 12:24 AM | #111 |
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Well that was the most unconvincing win ever.
He liked the throttle response of the Merc but that has to be tempered by the prodigious torque he praised in the M4. He liked the steering better in the Merc but he must have been steered in that direction by it being equipped with God Save The Queen side steering. The M4 certainly looked much more nibble in his hands. Meanwhile, he critiqued the Merc's crappy transmission, weight, seats, and interior. He complimented how light the M4 felt, how easy it was to drift, its brakes, chassis, how easy it was to place, that it was more efficient, its vastly superior DCT, smoother ride, and less tire noise. I was amused by the fact that in spite of having 500 HP, that the Merc was a tick slower. I came away from his review all the more convinced that I'd much rather have the M4. I agree with him about the sound to an extent, but it doesn't sound any better to me than a Mustang or Camero. A classic sound to be sure, but dated like he said repeatedly about the C63. The turbo M4 makes a new sound. From the future.
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I found a new reason to hate AMG product today! The worst pickup attempt award can be handed out to the man in my shops parking lot. Okay, I have boobs, but still, I did not ask the price tag of the car, I asked about power and handling. I asked about a lot of stuff, and I think only thing he registered was that my shirt was a see trough kind. I came from the beach, for crying out loud, try still form a sentence!
Now, just in case he reads this, let it be known ones again, that I will never be interested. Not to either of the things offered. And I eat meat, so vegetables and vegan did not work. And no, I will not ever, ever want to see you again. It's not even summer, and my asshole quota is full. I'm dying my hair, and cutting them short tomorrow. Yes, this was a rant. sorry. |
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05-15-2014, 12:26 AM | #113 | |
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I know that the engine is sand cast. They really over-engineered it. For the AMG GT and the W205 C63, they are going to be splicing two of those motors together.
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05-15-2014, 12:36 AM | #115 | |
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But prefer to focus on the two cars at hand. The e92 M3 is F1 inspired. High revving engine for one. Carbon fiber components for weight reduction is two, dual clutch gear box is 3. In the review you posted and in many others, the exterior style looks dated with 80's style graphic. His words not mine. Rest of the car exterior of the c63 is nothing special. performance and style are very important |
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05-15-2014, 01:12 AM | #117 |
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You should consider supplementing your seeing and hearing with a base amount of reading in order avoid writing nonsense.
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Can I offer a different perspective to this discussion and especially to my North American friends. I don't believe if I spend $160000 on a new M3 I am an average consumer. I have owned an E46 M3 previously and loved it to death (except for the SMG) but I think BMW and M need to be advancing technology to the nth degree. This means more power, less fuel and emissions and still get me around the track the quickest.
What other objective could M have?http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/ima...lies/smile.gif
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05-15-2014, 01:27 AM | #119 |
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507 isn't $110k. The 507 edition is a $9,750 package on top of the coupe base price of $62,750. So you could get into one starting at $72,500.
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05-15-2014, 01:34 AM | #120 |
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I hope you realize that there is also an M3 available. And it looks better than the M4.
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05-15-2014, 01:46 AM | #123 |
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If their recent M5 vs Vauxhall VXR8 review was any indication, they will next release another review branding the new M3/M4 the best thing since slice bread...
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I would say that that the Pdk in the standard non gt3 models work better than the m3 dct only in auto, dct is better when manually controlling shifts. Edit: FYI I had both cars at the same time and I would drive them back to back several times to see which transmission is superior and in which ways. Overall I prefered m dct to Pdk mainly because of the responsiveness of the dct and the fact that it felt more engaging to drive. The Pdk felt more like a traditional automatic with stupid buttons instead of proper paddles. Last edited by KKM3; 05-15-2014 at 02:06 AM.. |
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This was after stating that BMW uses F1 technology . . . when they haven't participated in F1 for years. When you didn't like what I had to say there, you narrowed the topic again. Also, there's a difference between actual F1 technology and F1-inspired technology. I don't think either are particularly relevant here, as carbon fiber has been used for weight reduction purposes in several classes of racing. The same goes for high-revving engines. And again, were there any carbon fiber components on the E90 M3, you know, the sedan, that either came with a sunroof or a steel roof? If someone doesn't like the graphic, they can order the car without it or peel it off. This nit-picking of trivial things is getting tiresome for me and probably for everyone else suffering through reading this. And to say the E9X M3 is F1-inspired just blows my mind. How can less weight be a component of that when the E9X was the heaviest M3 ever made? It's gotten heavier and heavier every generation until the F80. You don't think the exterior looks special. I happen to like the exterior of the E90/E92, the F80/F82, and the C63.
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Don't even worry about it. No offense to the guy, but he is type of guy you meet at cars and coffee and after about 1 minute you realize he can't carry on a technical discussion about cars.
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And yes this is sadly the truth of the world we live in. Sometimes I wish I would have been born in like the 60s... Now it's all about making more profit than last month, which is destroying the enthusiasts car little by little. That's why the only way to get around it is to make good money and buy a 458, GT3, F12 and such.
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I disagree, to me the Pdk in the 991 felt less responsive to upshifts especially shifting at lower rpms. The 991 may have felt more "racecar-ish" because it's a small 2 door sports car that sits lower and your e90 is a larger 4 door sedan with a much higher seating position. When you truly focus on the transmission itself and block out all other characteristics of the car, you will see what im talking about.
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Guys give him a break. The E9x was F1 inspired. At least the high revving / low torque engine philosphy, just like the S65 V10. BMW btw did compete in F1 from 2000 till 2009... the E9x M3 was introduced in 2006. As for weight reduction, it's hard to say because the E9x was heaver than the E46, however it had also a lot more gimmicks onboard. It did use lighter components though, no doubt. As for the DCT... the concept of shifting on the wheel might be from F1 but again, F1 cars don't have a Dual Clutch Tranny, so in that respect the SMG was a little closer to the F1 philosophy.
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