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Either car are great and I think it comes down to individual taste and preference.
The dealership in my state refused to let me drive a c63s and that was on the same day my wife purchased an a45. I was negotiating on the advertised price and wanted to see how it compared to the M4 quote I had. Didn't really work out as the dealer implied that there is no need to go for a test drive if I won't pay the advertised price and as such wouldn't be the right car for me. I made a point of bring in the M4 when we were picking up the a45. |
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06-17-2019, 06:04 AM | #70 |
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If you spent .2c like revnev, then you'd be up to your eyeballs in 2 BMWs. You CAN compare C63 and M3/4 all you like - sure as hell ze Chermans are comaparing them - they are so close for the money you almost can't split them! Mate with a C63s coupe says the ride in my M3ZCP is "more compliant"! In line with the E63s I drove. Rough-as-guts in "soft mode". Not having a ford vs holden whinge - just IMHO.
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06-19-2019, 04:47 AM | #72 |
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I lusted after a E90 for the V8 sound - until I drove one. Rev till 5000, and then go. No thanks. Dream rig - S63tu2 in a F80. S55 sounds good to me, S58 sound as good for future - I'm good.
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07-15-2019, 07:59 AM | #75 | |
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How about the DTM series in Germany where the three big brands Audi,MB and BMW race with respect to each other in the same class with rules and regulations on each car where it is more transparent and unbiased? Know how many times MERCs have dominated BMW in the same class? Know how many times MERCS have won the series in both Drivers and Constructors championships? Know who is currently the champion? Compare apples with apples you arrogant flog. BMWs are more focussed on race track lap times? Let's see, the best BMW can do around the 'Ring' is the M4 GTS. A large 4 door saloon that weighs more than 2 tonnes can still kick its ass (AMG GT 63s), and not even the brand new F90 M5 Comp can match that. Oh and thats not even its fastest production car around the track! Mercs have fast track cars alright, you're just to stupid to know it. |
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Okey Dokey then...
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07-15-2019, 10:57 PM | #79 | |
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Love the car. Both brands are great and to argue any other way isn't rational. |
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07-16-2019, 09:19 AM | #80 |
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Costs a lot less to get ZCP smoking a CS on a race track. The greatest speed advantage a CS has over a ZCP are the wheels and tyres and the rest is negligible. In other words with a set of CS wheels and tyres or the equivalent fitted to a ZCP, the best driver will set the fastest lap times not the car.
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07-18-2019, 04:05 AM | #81 |
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From what i've read, seen on various reviews, and experienced as both a ZCP (10,000KM) and CS (8500KM) owner, i'd say it's a lot more than just the wheels and tyres which make up the difference that a CS makes on the road and track. The CS is a more controllable, comfortable, fun and capable car. But what do I (and the multitude) of reviewers of the two cars know? Every amateur with a BM3 knows better because they can program a 'CS tune'.
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The CS is a better performing car than the ZCP stock, but as you can see with limited component differences, it's not overly expensive to alter a ZCP to out perform a CS. I haven't driven a CS but what I can tell you after fitting CS wheels and Cup 2 tyres to a ZCP, the ride and handling is a massive improvement over a stock ZCP. Many who've owned a ZCP and changed to a CS and claimed they drove and handled better to my knowledge weren't running the 19/20" CS/GTS wheel combos on the ZCP's to eliminate that difference. |
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07-19-2019, 12:32 AM | #84 |
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RevNev you have clearly done some research, but you don't know everything.
Springs have also been changed on the M3 CS from ZCP to stock/base. That is in addition to the changes to the swap bars as you mentioned. I'd agree that the tyre, wheel and overall weight reduction make the key differences to the CS's handling and comfort, though as an overall package, it smokes the ZCP. As an overall package, without mods, it's worth every penny over the ZCP. The argument that you can mod a ZCP to a CS is pointless. I like my warranty thanks.
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07-19-2019, 08:51 AM | #87 | |
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With the components missing from the M4 CS and the extras it has over the ZCP, they should be about the same price not 48k more expensive than the ZCP as they were when I bought mine. Not sure how warranty's an issue altering a ZCP to CS specs? The wheels and tyres are an M Performance option for an M4. The CS spoilers aren't an issue as they're genuine BMW parts to suit an M4. Fitting a CS/GTS bonnet if you wanted won't void warranty, again a genuine BMW part to fit an M3/M4. Flashing software and coding in Australia is complete nonsense that it'll void warranty and I'll tell you why. The dealer is responsible for warranty under Australian Consumer Law, nothing to do with the warranty deal the dealer has with BMW. Unless flashing software and coding voiding warranty is stipulated on the purchase contract, BMW can void what they like with the dealer, but the dealer can't void a consumer's warranty. This is not the USA, our consumer law in relation to cars is completely different. |
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07-19-2019, 09:05 AM | #88 | |
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I believe you got a killer deal on your CS but when I bought my ZCP, a CS was 48k more and that was the best quote at the time. |
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