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      02-23-2020, 09:54 PM   #23
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Horrible hope you get this fixed
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      02-23-2020, 09:55 PM   #24
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      02-24-2020, 12:17 AM   #25
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If you plug your VIN into Google you might get some images of the wreck (if there was one). I have done this before for vehicles I was interesting in purchasing. You'll be surprised with what you will find sometimes.
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I am speechless at the situation you're in OP. I really hope Carfax fk'd up because this ain't right.
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For the OP, one relatively easy way to tell if there were any major damage, to include frame damage, is to look for new parts with the BMW stickers still on them. Factory installed parts don't usually have them. Kies Motorsports recently did a video on this very topic as the used M3 they just purchased also had some pre-purchase undiscovered damage which was discovered post purchase by noticing some minor parts misalignment and stickers on newly installed replacement parts. Good luck.
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      02-24-2020, 09:27 AM   #28
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For the OP, one relatively easy way to tell if there were any major damage, to include frame damage, is to look for new parts with the BMW stickers still on them. Factory installed parts don't usually have them. Kies Motorsports recently did a video on this very topic as the used M3 they just purchased also had some pre-purchase undiscovered damage which was discovered post purchase by noticing some minor parts misalignment and stickers on newly installed replacement parts. Good luck.
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If you plug your VIN into Google you might get some images of the wreck (if there was one). I have done this before for vehicles I was interesting in purchasing. You'll be surprised with what you will find sometimes.
I tried that and didn't see anything. Thanks for the idea though.

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I am speechless at the situation you're in OP. I really hope Carfax fk'd up because this ain't right.
I agree, it there really is nobody to blame. If it wasn't reported until 4 years after the fact, who's fault is it? Maybe mine for not having PPI done?
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      02-24-2020, 10:06 AM   #29
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I've seen this happen maybe every month or so from customers who buy cars. Normally it takes carfax/autocheck about 6-12 months to report an accident on a history report... 4 years is pushing it.

In most situations carfax wont remove the record.. they have the mindset of "we're carfax and we're the experts" and unless you have are the original owner or have some kind of proof its never been wrecked it most likely wont come off.

Having said all that 4 years is a long time to report an accident. was there a police report listed with the accident? If so you can obtain a copy of the report and verify the vin matches. Otherwise there's a decent chance the car has been in an accident prior to you owning the car. It's really no ones fault in this case and you dont have any recourse.. maybe a PPI in the future? You might also be surprised at how minor an accident can be to kink a frame rail or cause structural damage.
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      02-24-2020, 10:34 AM   #30
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I've seen this happen maybe every month or so from customers who buy cars. Normally it takes carfax/autocheck about 6-12 months to report an accident on a history report... 4 years is pushing it.

In most situations carfax wont remove the record.. they have the mindset of "we're carfax and we're the experts" and unless you have are the original owner or have some kind of proof its never been wrecked it most likely wont come off.

Having said all that 4 years is a long time to report an accident. was there a police report listed with the accident? If so you can obtain a copy of the report and verify the vin matches. Otherwise there's a decent chance the car has been in an accident prior to you owning the car. It's really no ones fault in this case and you dont have any recourse.. maybe a PPI in the future? You might also be surprised at how minor an accident can be to kink a frame rail or cause structural damage.
The whole thing blows. I am going this afternoon to have a body shop look at the car.

All the Carfax says it an accident with structural damage was reported February 10, 2016 and was visible on Carfax on January 28th, 2020.

I know it's nobody's fault, but if there is frame damage, maybe the dealership I bought it from will work me on something so I am not out all of this money. That might be wishful thinking.
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I ran into a situation on Friday that i never saw coming. I was at a car dealership on Friday looking at a replacement for my f80. When they ran the Carfax they came back to me and said my car has frame damage. I purchased the car in August of 2019 and there was no report of frame damage. Carfax just reported the frame damage on January 28th, 2020, for an accident that happened in February of 2016!?!?!? Why it was reported 4 years later has me sick to my stomach.

I contacted the dealer where I purchased it from and they have never heard or seen anything like this. Obviously I wouldn’t have purchased the car if i knew it had frame damage. They were going to look into it and get back to me, which i still haven’t heard back. I contacted my bank where the loan is through and they cant do anything either since the loan originated at the dealer, and I didn’t go direct to them. I contacted my insurance company and they cant help either. It is not possible to contact Carfax by phone, only through email. I sent them an email on Friday asking what is going on and for more information, and i am waiting to hear back from them.

Has anyone ever seen anything like this before? How can frame damage be reported 4 years after an accident? I am at a complete loss of words here and don’t know what to do.

Any tips or suggestions??
The reason probably is: the mechanic shop which did/detected the frame work did not have any business with Carfax until after you bought the car, and once they started doing business with Carfax they reported all their findings retroactively. Sorry, frame damage on a performance car is a big red flag (almost as bad as insurance write-off); this is a tough pill to swallow but I cannot think of anything you can do unless you can prove the dealer where you bought the car knew.
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      02-24-2020, 11:51 AM   #32
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The whole thing blows. I am going this afternoon to have a body shop look at the car.

All the Carfax says it an accident with structural damage was reported February 10, 2016 and was visible on Carfax on January 28th, 2020.

I know it's nobody's fault, but if there is frame damage, maybe the dealership I bought it from will work me on something so I am not out all of this money. That might be wishful thinking.
I dont want you to get your hopes up... they are under zero obligation to help you with anything... especially 4 years later.

If they do anything It will be good will in an attempt to earn future business.

Let us know what the shop finds!
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      02-24-2020, 11:59 AM   #33
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I dont want you to get your hopes up... they are under zero obligation to help you with anything... especially 4 years later.

If they do anything It will be good will in an attempt to earn future business.

Let us know what the shop finds!
OP bought the car in August 19 not 4 years ago.
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      02-24-2020, 11:59 AM   #34
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I dont want you to get your hopes up... they are under zero obligation to help you with anything... especially 4 years later.

If they do anything It will be good will in an attempt to earn future business.

Let us know what the shop finds!
OP bought the car in August 19 not 4 years ago.
Correct. I bought it not even 6 months ago.
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      02-24-2020, 12:02 PM   #35
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usually the shop it got fixed at doesn't report to carfax till later on.

That's why i always tell people stop relying on just carfax. Carfax doesnt mean S$%^

autocheck is way more accurate
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Sorry about that! Accident was 4 years ago vs buying it in Aug.

I got curious and decided to look if you posted any pics of your car... in one pic the front bumper shade looks slightly off vs the hood so id start there.. very difficult to tell on a dark car online though lol.
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usually the shop it got fixed at doesn't report to carfax till later on.

That's why i always tell people stop relying on just carfax. Carfax doesnt mean S$%^

autocheck is way more accurate
insurance (if filed) reports it within weeks, if not days.

OP, if you'er reading this your best course of action is going back to dealership, they failed to disclose or detect the damage.
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insurance (if filed) reports it within weeks, if not days.
doesn't always happen that way. I've seen accidents hit 18+ months later. 4 years is new to me though.
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Sorry about that! Accident was 4 years ago vs buying it in Aug.

I got curious and decided to look if you posted any pics of your car... in one pic the front bumper shade looks slightly off vs the hood so id start there.. very difficult to tell on a dark car online though lol.
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usually the shop it got fixed at doesn't report to carfax till later on.

That's why i always tell people stop relying on just carfax. Carfax doesnt mean S$%^

autocheck is way more accurate
There is no damage reported on auto check, just Carfax.
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Sorry about that! Accident was 4 years ago vs buying it in Aug.

I got curious and decided to look if you posted any pics of your car... in one pic the front bumper shade looks slightly off vs the hood so id start there.. very difficult to tell on a dark car online though lol.
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usually the shop it got fixed at doesn't report to carfax till later on.

That's why i always tell people stop relying on just carfax. Carfax doesnt mean S$%^

autocheck is way more accurate
The damage was on the rear, and passengers side rear, nothing on the front.
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The damage was on the rear, and passengers side rear, nothing on the front.

Oh so you knew there was an accident on the car prior? Most likely the quarter has been replaced, or the floorpan in the rear was badly damaged (if it has structural damage)
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The damage was on the rear, and passengers side rear, nothing on the front.

Oh so you knew there was an accident on the car prior? Most likely the quarter has been replaced, or the floorpan in the rear was badly damaged (if it has structural damage)
No, I didn't know. The Carfax and auto check were completely clean.
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This is really troubling! I had a car that had a panel keyed and when I went to trade it in they said it had been in an accident. Carfax can rally screw you over.
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I went to the body shop earlier and there is definitely NOT any structural or frame damage. What they did say is they can tell the passengers side rear quarter panel has been painted along with the passengers rear door. The structural integrity of the car itself had not been compromised at all as none of the bolts had been removed or tampered with. They went as far as to say they could tell the quarter panel and door weren't even removed from the car when they were painted.

So that is good news. Now I have to figure out how to get this fixed with Carfax. The problem I am facing now is that I don't know where the car was fixed so I cannot ask them to update their filing with Carfax.
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