OLED Tail Lights for F80 M3

[Abdul]

Originally Posted by F32 M Perf.

Yes...where is Abdul???

.... and how might the backline look in direct sunlight. I have to admit that the video (perhaps not to the eye) looks scary based on how dim it looks on the red VLAND.

I've ordered through Abdul the red (possibly VLAND) on June, 30 and he's yet to respond when he's shipping them to me. But now, I'm getting cold feet!!

What? Are you not following this thread?

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[Jockey]

Originally Posted by F32 M Perf.

Yes...where is Abdul???

.... and how might the backline look in direct sunlight. I have to admit that the video (perhaps not to the eye) looks scary based on how dim it looks on the red VLAND.

I've ordered through Abdul the red (possibly VLAND) on June, 30 and he's yet to respond when he's shipping them to me. But now, I'm getting cold feet!!

Honestly, I think everyone needs to calm down. The video does not represent reality.

I will admit, they are not as bright as an incandescent signal. However, you can see them just fine in the daylight.

[kenf80]

Originally Posted by Jockey

Honestly, I think everyone needs to calm down. The video does not represent reality.

I will admit, they are not as bright as an incandescent signal. However, you can see them just fine in the daylight.

What do you mean doesn’t represent reality lmao? The video is exactly how it is seen by if you were looking at it in person…?

In the shade or at nighttime there is no issue with these lights.

But during the day it is super hard to see the blinker. I’ll try get a comparison of my friends OEM lci tails which are also LED and you can see them bright and clear no issue in direct sunlight.

[Jockey]

Originally Posted by kenf80

What do you mean doesn’t represent reality lmao? The video is exactly how it is seen by if you were looking at it in person…?

In the shade or at nighttime there is no issue with these lights.

But during the day it is super hard to see the blinker. I’ll try get a comparison of my friends OEM lci tails which are also LED and you can see them bright and clear no issue in direct sunlight.

Because I can compare what the video is showing to what I was seeing with my eyes. Not a difficult concept to grasp.

In the video it is difficult to discern the orange flash, with my naked eye it's easily visible.

[From5toM]

Originally Posted by kindafrosty

He's still inside... The dim turn signal issue on the red housing occurs when in direct sunlight as displayed by the videos previously posted

https://youtube.com/shorts/McESQU8ppmg

https://youtube.com/shorts/i_f1AOdjlas

https://youtube.com/shorts/-KxX2YBAX9k

Thanks for the vids. This is quite obvious that the turn signals are not visible in direct sunlight. That's a no for me.

Abdul - what is your input to this specific situation? Are the dim turn signals inherent in the design or is this a flaw?

I also asked you specifically in an earlier post - but didn't get a response - if we buy from you and there is an issue with the product, do we work with you for any warranty issues? What's your policy? How long is the warranty?

[Hokayy]

Originally Posted by From5toM

Thanks for the vids. This is quite obvious that the turn signals are not visible in direct sunlight. That's a no for me.

Abdul - what is your input to this specific situation? Are the dim turn signals inherent in the design or is this a flaw?

I also asked you specifically in an earlier post - but didn't get a response - if we buy from you and there is an issue with the product, do we work with you for any warranty issues? What's your policy? How long is the warranty?

Originally Posted by From5toM

Thanks for the vids. This is quite obvious that the turn signals are not visible in direct sunlight. That's a no for me.

Abdul - what is your input to this specific situation? Are the dim turn signals inherent in the design or is this a flaw?

I also asked you specifically in an earlier post - but didn't get a response - if we buy from you and there is an issue with the product, do we work with you for any warranty issues? What's your policy? How long is the warranty?

I had fitment issues and also the bolt was stripped from the housing and both Abdul/Mark helped me out to get a replacement.

Is the dimly lit turn signals also an issue in the actual GTS Ms? I don't think I've seen one in person so hard for me to directly compare. That said, I'll have someone drive my M3 at high noon and I'll drive their car behind them to see for myself.

[matty088]

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[Hokayy]

A few shorts from exiting my garage to the street before sundown.

At certain angles when the sun hits the lights, the video doesn't pick it up so I would assume it is a bit lighter for the turn signals.


https://youtube.com/shorts/DTQhZ0uk788?feature=share

https://youtube.com/shorts/LQmjAuyR2mw?feature=share

[Jim45678]

Originally Posted by Hokayy

A few shorts from exiting my garage to the street before sundown.

At certain angles when the sun hits the lights, the video doesn't pick it up so I would assume it is a bit lighter for the turn signals.


https://youtube.com/shorts/DTQhZ0uk788?feature=share

https://youtube.com/shorts/LQmjAuyR2mw?feature=share

looking at your videos its not so bad but the ones posted before look scary to me.

[matty088]

Originally Posted by Jim45678

looking at your videos its not so bad but the ones posted before look scary to me.

hes in the shade

[From5toM]

Originally Posted by matty088

hes in the shade

Agree. Even in the shade, they're not bright… it's significantly less bright than OEM.

[F32 M Perf.]

Originally Posted by Hokayy

A few shorts from exiting my garage to the street before sundown.

At certain angles when the sun hits the lights, the video doesn't pick it up so I would assume it is a bit lighter for the turn signals.


https://youtube.com/shorts/DTQhZ0uk788?feature=share

https://youtube.com/shorts/LQmjAuyR2mw?feature=share

Thanks for the vids, however as others have commented, you're still in the shade and when you drive away you're too far to determine how bright they might be.

Which was the manufacturer of the lights you bought? Vland or another?

[matty088]

Originally Posted by F32 M Perf.

Thanks for the vids, however as others have commented, you're still in the shade and when you drive away you're too far to determine how bright they might be.

Which was the manufacturer of the lights you bought? Vland or another?

i have the vland from abdul. The chatter is that they are all the same, ie VLAND.

[Jockey]

IMO, it's less the brightness of the LED that is causing the issue, it's the tinting of the outer red housing.

I'd be curious to see what the smoked ones look like. I'd be willing to bet they're less washed out in the sun.

[F32 M Perf.]

Originally Posted by Jockey

IMO, it's less the brightness of the LED that is causing the issue, it's the tinting of the outer red housing.

I'd be curious to see what the smoked ones look like. I'd be willing to bet they're less washed out in the sun.

It's a good question, although when you see them unpacked they look black rather than clear/smoked. I thought the red/oem-style might look more bright LOL.

There is vid a couple of pages back on here of a black/smoked set a dude installed on his white pearl M3 (VLAND with Abdul's packing tape on the box), for which he shot how they looked while driving it. The camera was at the low bumper level so it wasn't that visible despite he showed a comparison with the LCI he had before (see here and frwd to 16:30 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=069TUIuZ4_o).

Not sure what you guys think.....

[Jockey]

Here's my 2 cents after seeing them with my own eyes in the sunlight.

First off, it'll be up to you personally whether it's bright enough. I had no problem seeing the orange blinker standing 20-30 feet away in the sun (which at that distance you can also see the signal on the side mirrors).

But, they are definitely NOT AS BRIGHT AS OEM but that doesn't mean they're invisible. The videos make them look worse than they actually are.

If someone rear ends you, it won't be because of they didn't see your blinker.

[Jockey]

Originally Posted by F32 M Perf.

Thanks for your 0.2. It goes back to quality, as I would have expected that the manufacturer would have measured luminosity and make them equal to oem to ensure local laws re brightness are respected by being oem equivalent.

More so, in the 4 series (oem and VLAND) there is no brake light on the smaller/inner tail light, which automatically renders luminosity as a safety critical requirement. Especially for the 4 series lights!!

Therefore, we need some answers from Adbul re quality standards and what happens if we're not satisfied with the product on these grounds. Also, whether the backline might be more bright...blinker AND brake signals.

You actually think the manufacturer got these DOT approved? Come on. No offense to VLAND or Abdul, but these are knock off lights.

There's a reason OEM costs more. They have to be certified. These are not. While the build quality is excellent, there's a reason why they are much cheaper than OEM. Nowhere did I see VLAND or any distributor (Abdul is not the only one selling these lights) claim they are DOT approved.

This is the risk you run when buying non-OEM parts for you vehicle.


As for the inner brake light, it's minuscule on the F80. But the 4 series has a third brake light as well.

[F32 M Perf.]

Originally Posted by Jockey

You actually think the manufacturer got these DOT approved? Come on. No offense to VLAND or Abdul, but these are knock off lights.

There's a reason OEM costs more. They have to be certified. These are not. While the build quality is excellent, there's a reason why they are much cheaper than OEM. Nowhere did I see VLAND or any distributor (Abdul is not the only one selling these lights) claim they are DOT approved.

This is the risk you run when buying non-OEM parts for you vehicle.


As for the inner brake light, it's minuscule on the F80. But the 4 series has a third brake light as well.

I didn't say DOT-approved, nor did I say Transport Canada-approved. I said "oem-equivalent" because that would take care of any local laws. It's as simple as measuring lumens strength.

Because of the criticality of this with regards to safety, YES I would expect this. You're buying lights not just a spoiler or mirror cap.

[Jockey]

If you're worried about local laws, don't buy something that's not OEM.

It's as simple as that.

You knew buying these that there is less lighting area than OEM.

[F32 M Perf.]

Originally Posted by Jockey

If you're worried about local laws, don't buy something that's not OEM.

It's as simple as that.

You knew buying these that there is less lighting area than OEM.

No, I didn't and I'm sure others didn't know either. Otherwise, we wouldn't be having this convo. But I did know as much not to buy direct from Ali or another Chinese vendor. Hence both I and others are looking for answers re warranty and quality. So, sit tight and wait. Maybe you're willing to accept low quality but that's not the case for others.

[Jockey]

Originally Posted by F32 M Perf.

No, I didn't and I'm sure others didn't know either. Otherwise, we wouldn't be having this convo. But I did know as much not to buy direct from Ali or another Chinese vendor. Hence both I and others are looking for answers re warranty and quality. So, sit tight and wait. Maybe you're willing to accept low quality but that's not the case for others.

Then no offense, you didn't do your proper research before your purchase.

OEM lights are over twice the price of these lights (real OLED much, much more). If you think they would be the same quality, that's a super poor assumption.

[F32 M Perf.]

Originally Posted by Jockey

Then no offense, you didn't do your proper research before your purchase.

OEM lights are over twice the price of these lights (real OLED much, much more). If you think they would be the same quality, that's a super poor assumption.

Respectfully, I don't think you know the aftermarket business to appreciate what might be a knockoff and what is good quality but non oem-branded product. But I think Abdul can validate and prove your point by his actions since he did say doing QA and selecting suppliers before buying from them.

Yes, I knew from my research that fitment would be 90-95% and that oem cost $7K but that sort of quality we're talking about here related to safety is a different story.