Front monoball upgrade

Studntloan · 04-06-2021, 11:03 AM

Thinking about the monoball upgrade, has anyone done it? any feedback? better? worse?

Im looking at fall line or Dinan currently but open to feedback.

irunalot · 04-06-2021, 11:25 AM

For the caster rods? If so, yes, it’s worth it, better steering feel. It's not a 911 but it’s a worthwhile improvement.

irunalot · 04-06-2021, 11:28 AM

I just noticed you posted in the GTS section. If I had a GTS, I'd go with the SPL caster rods as they allow caster adjustment.

If I had to do it again that the route I would go as I've nearly replaced everything with SPL.

Studntloan · 04-06-2021, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by irunalot

For the caster rods? If so, yes, it’s worth it, better steering feel. It's not a 911 but it’s a worthwhile improvement.

The front bushing replacements

https://ind-distribution.com/product...conversion-kit

ive driven cars with them but not a gts,

SYT_Shadow · 04-06-2021, 11:59 AM

I've run this on several E9Xs and F8Xs, it is one of those rare upgrades that don't have a downside

These are the ones I've run for 50k miles:
https://www.bimmerworld.com/Suspensi...Bearing_2.html

irunalot · 04-06-2021, 12:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Studntloan

The front bushing replacements

https://ind-distribution.com/product...conversion-kit

ive driven cars with them but not a gts,

Yes that is it, I'm just using the Turner Motorsport version.

Studntloan · 04-06-2021, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by SYT_Shadow

I've run this on several E9Xs and F8Xs, it is one of those rare upgrades that don't have a downside

These are the ones I've run for 50k miles:
https://www.bimmerworld.com/Suspensi...Bearing_2.html

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Originally Posted by irunalot

Yes that is it, I'm just using the Turner Motorsport version.

Thanks guys!

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4play · 04-06-2021, 12:37 PM

I'm going to monoballs in the next couple of days. Not sure which ones yet. My thrust arm bearings are shot and I figured why not.

SYT_Shadow · 04-06-2021, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by 4play

I'm going to monoballs in the next couple of days. Not sure which ones yet. My thrust arm bearings are shot and I figured why not.

It's a nice upgrade for sure. Not a night and day difference

Studntloan · 04-06-2021, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by SYT_Shadow

It's a nice upgrade for sure. Not a night and day difference

it will get done, save you some bucks for when you buy it

Lienrocs · 04-06-2021, 08:24 PM

My whole car is solidly mounted. No rubber left anywhere in the suspension. I honestly don't notice any nvh associated with any of it. I got some slight diff whine with the diff bushings but that's it.

schnell325 · 04-18-2021, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Lienrocs

My whole car is solidly mounted. No rubber left anywhere in the suspension. I honestly don't notice any nvh associated with any of it. I got some slight diff whine with the diff bushings but that's it.

Can you link us to what all you have done? I’m considering diving head on into suspension upgrades

Lienrocs · 04-18-2021, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by schnell325

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lienrocs

My whole car is solidly mounted. No rubber left anywhere in the suspension. I honestly don't notice any nvh associated with any of it. I got some slight diff whine with the diff bushings but that's it.

Can you link us to what all you have done? I’m considering diving head on into suspension upgrades

Full build here:

My M4 GTS build, GT3HNTR. https://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1802596

F80RN · 04-18-2021, 07:57 PM

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schnell325 · 04-18-2021, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Lienrocs

Full build here:

My M4 GTS build, GT3HNTR. https://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1802596

Thank you sir

Lt1camaro · 04-18-2021, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Lienrocs

My whole car is solidly mounted. No rubber left anywhere in the suspension. I honestly don't notice any nvh associated with any of it. I got some slight diff whine with the diff bushings but that's it.

What were the benefits of all this slid mounts? What is the major difference you see?

Lienrocs · 04-18-2021, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Lt1camaro

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lienrocs

My whole car is solidly mounted. No rubber left anywhere in the suspension. I honestly don't notice any nvh associated with any of it. I got some slight diff whine with the diff bushings but that's it.

What were the benefits of all this slid mounts? What is the major difference you see?

Better steering feel and a more positive front end. But I also have a ton of tire up front so I'm sure they contribute as well.

The rear definitely had better traction as well after the arms were put in place. Again, more tire definitely helped there as well.

I don't think any single arm would make a world of difference. I look at it like weight reduction. Ounces add up to pounds kind of thing.

sly1types · 04-26-2021, 11:57 AM

I think they are worth it, i have the bimmerworld monoball ones, it gives a little more steering feel.

schnell325 · 09-10-2021, 07:55 PM

Just had VCP install the TMS monoball bushings in my GTS.

Definitely more immediate feedback from the steering wheel. Highly recommend.

https://www.turnermotorsport.com/p-3...oball-upgrade/

JustAnothaM4 · 09-10-2021, 11:07 PM

I just installed the Fall-Line monoball bushings and it's a nice improvement. No added NVH and the steering wheel has much better feedback. Just do it like Nike!

stevehifi · 09-13-2021, 07:56 PM

I've done the mod too and here is my interpretation of the benefits:

-The front no longer skips or hops over bumps and undulations on the road
-during turn in the front responds consistently and reliably (much more confidence
inspiring)
-The front end is much more connected to the road
-less ABS modulation during hard braking

Overall I think this applies to all monoball upgrades to the suspension (even the rear). Gone is the skipping/hopping nature of the chassis and the car feels absolutely tied down. That being said, I do think this requires more driver involvement than with the stock bushings. The chassis requires more driver input and control since its following the contours of the road way more precisely, so I can get a bit tedious in a daily driving
situation.

wuzhatning · 10-31-2021, 04:54 AM

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Studntloan Studntloan 580 Rep 620 Posts Drives: M4 GTS / E30 M3 Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: NY iTrader: (4)	Front monoball upgrade Thinking about the monoball upgrade, has anyone done it? any feedback? better? worse? Im looking at fall line or Dinan currently but open to feedback.
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irunalot Captain 1518 Rep 820 Posts Drives: Porsche Carrera S Join Date: Oct 2020 Location: Miami iTrader: (0)	For the caster rods? If so, yes, it’s worth it, better steering feel. It's not a 911 but it’s a worthwhile improvement.
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irunalot Captain 1518 Rep 820 Posts Drives: Porsche Carrera S Join Date: Oct 2020 Location: Miami iTrader: (0)	I just noticed you posted in the GTS section. If I had a GTS, I'd go with the SPL caster rods as they allow caster adjustment. If I had to do it again that the route I would go as I've nearly replaced everything with SPL.
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4play First Lieutenant 415 Rep 366 Posts Drives: 2016 M4 GTS Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Atlanta iTrader: (0)	I'm going to monoballs in the next couple of days. Not sure which ones yet. My thrust arm bearings are shot and I figured why not.
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Lienrocs Captain 701 Rep 867 Posts Drives: E92 M3, M4 GTS, HP4 Join Date: May 2017 Location: Austin iTrader: (3)	My whole car is solidly mounted. No rubber left anywhere in the suspension. I honestly don't notice any nvh associated with any of it. I got some slight diff whine with the diff bushings but that's it.
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schnell325 Bored at work.... 890 Rep 5,388 Posts Drives: 2016 F82 M4 GTS//2022 M235iGC Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Comox Valley iTrader: (8)	Just had VCP install the TMS monoball bushings in my GTS. Definitely more immediate feedback from the steering wheel. Highly recommend. https://www.turnermotorsport.com/p-3...oball-upgrade/ __________________ Grey Matter:2008 E92 M3:608/425. SG/PS SOLD! Dark Matter:2015 F80 M3:495/505. SOLD! Anti Matter :2016 F82 M4 GTS What next?!? A 2022 M235i GC- I must be getting old Last edited by schnell325; 09-10-2021 at 11:23 PM..
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JustAnothaM4 Major 885 Rep 1,261 Posts Drives: 2016 M4 GTS Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Cumming, GA iTrader: (4) Garage List 2016 BMW M4 GTS [0.00]	I just installed the Fall-Line monoball bushings and it's a nice improvement. No added NVH and the steering wheel has much better feedback. Just do it like Nike! __________________ 2016 M4 GTS Alpine White 2021 X5M Competition Marina Bay Blue Instagram: @JustAnothaM4
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stevehifi Captain 527 Rep 855 Posts Drives: 17 F80 M3 ZCP Join Date: May 2008 Location: Irvine,CA iTrader: (5)	I've done the mod too and here is my interpretation of the benefits: -The front no longer skips or hops over bumps and undulations on the road -during turn in the front responds consistently and reliably (much more confidence inspiring) -The front end is much more connected to the road -less ABS modulation during hard braking Overall I think this applies to all monoball upgrades to the suspension (even the rear). Gone is the skipping/hopping nature of the chassis and the car feels absolutely tied down. That being said, I do think this requires more driver involvement than with the stock bushings. The chassis requires more driver input and control since its following the contours of the road way more precisely, so I can get a bit tedious in a daily driving situation.
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