Alternative to PFC11 for Stock Calipers?

[MRV99]

Originally Posted by NYG

I always heard that Ferodos are more street than Pagid/PFC and aren't quite as good.

I did not come across that when I was researching but I am not saying that is not true. From my personal experience, I have never had any feeling that the Ferodo d1.11 could not handle nor were they not sufficient.

Road america is a track which is know for really high speeds due to 3 long straightaways. I run there usually 2 times(4 days) a year these brakes see extensive high speed stops. 150-155 into turn 1 which is a 90, 140-145 down hill into turn 5(a sharp left hander) as well as 135-140ish coming into Canada(90 right hander) corner which is notorious for crashes due to brakes. Slower corners like 8, I am still coming in at 110 down hill and into 14 around 100-110. My brakes perform flawlessly and are very consistent from lap to lap.

Compared to a track like the Joliet Autobahn which I do not see speeds any higher than 125-130. Joliet has more real turns but your carrying much less speed.

The PFC08's to me were not consistent and initial bite was not there. Not to mention that I had 2 pads have the pad material shear off the backing plate as well as warp on me as well as some cracking. I have not had any of these issues with the Ferodo's and I am on my 4th set.

[NYG]

Originally Posted by MRV99

I did not come across that when I was researching but I am not saying that is not true. From my personal experience, I have never had any feeling that the Ferodo d1.11 could not handle nor were they not sufficient.

Road america is a track which is know for really high speeds due to 3 long straightaways. I run there usually 2 times(4 days) a year these brakes see extensive high speed stops. 150-155 into turn 1 which is a 90, 140-145 down hill into turn 5(a sharp left hander) as well as 135-140ish coming into Canada(90 right hander) corner which is notorious for crashes due to brakes. Slower corners like 8, I am still coming in at 110 down hill and into 14 around 100-110. My brakes perform flawlessly and are very consistent from lap to lap.

Compared to a track like the Joliet Autobahn which I do not see speeds any higher than 125-130. Joliet has more real turns but your carrying much less speed.

The PFC08's to me were not consistent and initial bite was not there. Not to mention that I had 2 pads have the pad material shear off the backing plate as well as warp on me as well as some cracking. I have not had any of these issues with the Ferodo's and I am on my 4th set.

Forum hearsay is usually non-sense anyway.

I'm going to consider trying them with the AP Radical BBK.

[Kev608]

Originally Posted by MRV99

I did not come across that when I was researching but I am not saying that is not true. From my personal experience, I have never had any feeling that the Ferodo d1.11 could not handle nor were they not sufficient.

Road america is a track which is know for really high speeds due to 3 long straightaways. I run there usually 2 times(4 days) a year these brakes see extensive high speed stops. 150-155 into turn 1 which is a 90, 140-145 down hill into turn 5(a sharp left hander) as well as 135-140ish coming into Canada(90 right hander) corner which is notorious for crashes due to brakes. Slower corners like 8, I am still coming in at 110 down hill and into 14 around 100-110. My brakes perform flawlessly and are very consistent from lap to lap.

Compared to a track like the Joliet Autobahn which I do not see speeds any higher than 125-130. Joliet has more real turns but your carrying much less speed.

The PFC08's to me were not consistent and initial bite was not there. Not to mention that I had 2 pads have the pad material shear off the backing plate as well as warp on me as well as some cracking. I have not had any of these issues with the Ferodo's and I am on my 4th set.

I may have missed it, and please forgive me if I did, but are you using the stock calipers and rotors with those pads?

The reason I ask, is that those are the two tracks I plan to run on. I just upgraded my pads to EBC Yellow Stuff with Motul 600, hoping to solve the brake fade and pad deposit problem I experienced last weekend at RA in 30-40 degree weather. I'm very concerned about what will happen when it's 80-90 degrees!

[MRV99]

Originally Posted by Kev608

I may have missed it, and please forgive me if I did, but are you using the stock calipers and rotors with those pads?

The reason I ask, is that those are the two tracks I plan to run on. I just upgraded my pads to EBC Yellow Stuff with Motul 600, hoping to solve the brake fade and pad deposit problem I experienced last weekend at RA in 30-40 degree weather. I'm very concerned about what will happen when it's 80-90 degrees!

I have stock pads with SRF fluid with 275/295 Advan AD08's for rubber. I have ran this combo at all temps and no issues. I was at Road America Oct 5/6 with temps starting at 46 and topping out at around 55-60 and zero deposits.

I have been at the autobahn in the 90's and no issues. South course has not as much cooling time as Road America but never an issue.

[Kev608]

Originally Posted by MRV99

I have stock pads with SRF fluid with 275/295 Advan AD08's for rubber. I have ran this combo at all temps and no issues. I was at Road America Oct 5/6 with temps starting at 46 and topping out at around 55-60 and zero deposits.

I have been at the autobahn in the 90's and no issues. South course has not as much cooling time as Road America but never an issue.

Wow, I don't know what I'm doing wrong then. After the first day I noticed the pad deposits. It got much worse after day two! I was also not getting the response I expected from the braking, but that could simply be because it was my first time.

Thank you for the info!

[MRV99]

Originally Posted by NYG

Forum hearsay is usually non-sense anyway.

I'm going to consider trying them with the AP Radical BBK.

My lease is up Dec 30 of this month. If I buy this car or buy a different F80, I am going to get rid of the stock brakes and move to an after market brake set. Drive along with a guy in a F80 with brembo 6 pots and they amazing

[MRV99]

Originally Posted by Kev608

Wow, I don't know what I'm doing wrong then. After the first day I noticed the pad deposits. It got much worse after day two! I was also not getting the response I expected from the braking, but that could simply be because it was my first time.

Thank you for the info!

I did get pad deposits with PFC08's and I needed to drive close to a week daily driving with the the PFC's on to use the abrasive cold pads to clean the deposits off.

The Ferodo's I can swap back to OEM's at the track and I get zero deposit shack/shutter

[Kev608]

Originally Posted by MRV99

I did get pad deposits with PFC08's and I needed to drive close to a week daily driving with the the PFC's on to use the abrasive cold pads to clean the deposits off.

The Ferodo's I can swap back to OEM's at the track and I get zero deposit shack/shutter

You're running stock pads on the track and swapping them for Ferodo to do daily driving?

If I find the StopTech Trophy at a bargain on Black Friday, I may scoop those. Planning to do wheels and Nitto NT01's for sure, so it'll all have to be a great deal to make me drop that kind of dough!

[MRV99]

Originally Posted by Kev608

You're running stock pads on the track and swapping them for Ferodo to do daily driving?

If I find the StopTech Trophy at a bargain on Black Friday, I may scoop those. Planning to do wheels and Nitto NT01's for sure, so it'll all have to be a great deal to make me drop that kind of dough!

No, I drive on the track and can swap to my oem's to drive home with no pad deposits. I re read my post and can see how reading the last post would confuse you so I should change it. I would never drive on track with OEM pads and swap to track pad for the street. Actually I have never driven on a track with OEM pads.