Pilot Sport 4s Opinions?

[Schuey]

Originally Posted by Wills2

I've posted my thoughts on this thread in the previous posts buddy...good at the rear poor on the front.

Ok mate, I'm looking to swap out my rears with the MPS4S's and leave the MPSS upfront. Best of both worlds then

[breakfastlinks]

Originally Posted by Schuey

Ok mate, I'm looking to swap out my rears with the MPS4S's and leave the MPSS upfront. Best of both worlds then

Wouldn't do that if I were you.

[SenorFunkyPants]

Originally Posted by breakfastlinks

Wouldn't do that if I were you.

Why?

[breakfastlinks]

Because there's so much more to tires than just traction...

The PS4S was also designed to give you feedback on control much earlier, at the point when stuff happens, than the PSS. Maybe that's why you've experienced perceived lesser traction at the front?

[DazC]

IME the MPSS are poor on the rear of the car. The MP4S are far superior on the rear of the car.

Like Wills2 has said, MPSS seem good on the front and that's the reason I replaced the fronts with new MPSS and the rear with new MP4S.

The cars traction has transformed. It's the best combination in my opinion.

[Wills2]

Originally Posted by breakfastlinks

Because there's so much more to tires than just traction...

The PS4S was also designed to give you feedback on control much earlier, at the point when stuff happens, than the PSS. Maybe that's why you've experienced perceived lesser traction at the front?

Indeed there is and whilst it's only my opinion based my experience with the PS4S (and everyone should make their own minds up) the front end is vague, lacks bite on initial turn in, the side walls feel soft and bouncy they give me no confidence in the front end.

The tighter the bend the worse it is, compared to the star rated tyres designed for the front end of the car the PS4S in my experience are poor.

Hopefully they will produce a star rated version sooner rather than later as the rears are great in terms of grip.

BTW no one should take my views as anything other than my opinion, as I'm not Jason Plato.

[dopper99]

I had these fitted to the rears last week..... very pleased indeed. Loads more grip and no downsides that I can tell (note: fitted to rears only).

Thoughts here....

http://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1467132

[Schuey]

Originally Posted by dopper99

I had these fitted to the rears last week..... very pleased indeed. Loads more grip and no downsides that I can tell (note: fitted to rears only).

Thoughts here....

http://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1467132

Great feedback, I ordered a pair for the rears and they should be arriving tomorrow hopefully. Will get them fitted ASAP.

As you and a couple of others here, I'm keeping my MPSS upfront and putting these MPS4S's on the rear, even though I have plenty of meat left on my MPSS's on the rear.

The reports I've seen on the MPS4S has made me jump. Once I've had them fitted, I will also report back here. Thanks.

[dopper99]

Originally Posted by Schuey

Great feedback, I ordered a pair for the rears and they should be arriving tomorrow hopefully. Will get them fitted ASAP.

As you and a couple of others here, I'm keeping my MPSS upfront and putting these MPS4S's on the rear, even though I have plenty of meat left on my MPSS's on the rear.

The reports I've seen on the MPS4S has made me jump. Once I've had them fitted, I will also report back here. Thanks.

You wont regret getting these, so much better grip this time of the year. The more I drive with them over familiar roads where the MPSS are crap - the more I'm impressed.

I had 3.5 mm left on the rear MPSS so prob a good few thousand miles left on them ... but the TC light on all the time was pi55ing me off, so they had to go. No point in owning a car that you have to nanny for 4 months of the year.

[Schuey]

Originally Posted by dopper99

You wont regret getting these, so much better grip this time of the year. The more I drive with them over familiar roads where the MPSS are crap - the more I'm impressed.

I had 3.5 mm left on the rear MPSS so prob a good few thousand miles left on them ... but the TC light on all the time was pi55ing me off, so they had to go. No point in owning a car that you have to nanny for 4 months of the year.

Spot on mate, exactly my thinking also.

Tyres arrived this morning, now to find a place that will fit them. So far I'm getting crap from people saying, "Sorry our company policy is we can only fit if we supply"

I wanted to take them to a reputable place near me and they not willing to fit them

[DazC]

Originally Posted by Schuey

Spot on mate, exactly my thinking also.

Tyres arrived this morning, now to find a place that will fit them. So far I'm getting crap from people saying, "Sorry our company policy is we can only fit if we supply"

I wanted to take them to a reputable place near me and they not willing to fit them

Most of the ATS Euromaster around my way will fit tyres they don't supply.

[AIRHEIR]

Originally Posted by breakfastlinks

It's quieter, much better traction in the rain, and I don't know about differences in look because I have 265/285. Every way recommend the 4s over the pss. 1000km on it now.

This

[dopper99]

Originally Posted by Schuey

Spot on mate, exactly my thinking also.

Tyres arrived this morning, now to find a place that will fit them. So far I'm getting crap from people saying, "Sorry our company policy is we can only fit if we supply"

I wanted to take them to a reputable place near me and they not willing to fit them

Mine were £527 from Blackcircles fitted (20's). And had a £12.50 tyre bank discount so £515. No idea how that compares to getting them supplied and finding fitting yourself. I cant be arsed with that.

[dopper99]

Oh bollox, last week I paid £263.99 today they are £256.99 on Blackcircles

[therealkenc]

Originally Posted by Wills2

Indeed there is and whilst it's only my opinion based my experience with the PS4S (and everyone should make their own minds up) the front end is vague, lacks bite on initial turn in, the side walls feel soft and bouncy they give me no confidence in the front end.

The tighter the bend the worse it is, compared to the star rated tyres designed for the front end of the car the PS4S in my experience are poor.

Hopefully they will produce a star rated version sooner rather than later as the rears are great in terms of grip.

BTW no one should take my views as anything other than my opinion, as I'm not Jason Plato.

Sorry to bump an old thread, but I'm facing what seems to be similar issues after switching to PS4Ses on the front wheels. The rears are the original PSSes.

Ok straight and slightly curvy roads it's all good, but when driving around the more curvy backroads that I frequent the car just seems less planted, the turn-in isn't as sharp and the car seems to sway (front-back) where it used to point and just go in that direction. I have significantly less confidence when taking corners at speed now, and it's a real bummer.

I'm wondering if just switching the rears to PS4Ses will solve this issue, or if I should sell the front PS4Ses and switch to PSSes instead.

Would appreciate advice from those of us here who've faced similar issues and possibly tried various permutations

[t5pilot]

Originally Posted by therealkenc

Sorry to bump an old thread, but I'm facing what seems to be similar issues after switching to PS4Ses on the front wheels. The rears are the original PSSes.

Ok straight and slightly curvy roads it's all good, but when driving around the more curvy backroads that I frequent the car just seems less planted, the turn-in isn't as sharp and the car seems to sway (front-back) where it used to point and just go in that direction. I have significantly less confidence when taking corners at speed now, and it's a real bummer.

I'm wondering if just switching the rears to PS4Ses will solve this issue, or if I should sell the front PS4Ses and switch to PSSes instead.

Would appreciate advice from those of us here who've faced similar issues and possibly tried various permutations

I think you'll be having that 'feeling' because the PS4S's up front provide better traction & grip than you're currently getting from the PSS's at the back. You really need the PS4S's at the back, so you have an equal level of grip front & rear. IMO anyway...

[SteveChester]

I've just gone PS4 all round from MPSS all round - tyres seem good to me although mileage is limited due to current restrictions.

[therealkenc]

Originally Posted by t5pilot

I think you'll be having that 'feeling' because the PS4S's up front provide better traction & grip than you're currently getting from the PSS's at the back. You really need the PS4S's at the back, so you have an equal level of grip front & rear. IMO anyway...

I did read a few comments on here about this, but didn't get the sense that it was a definitive answer. I do hope that this is what's causing the issue, because it'd be a simple fix + I get to enjoy the benefits of the PS4S. At this point, it doesn't seem like the positives outweigh the negatives because the car is just less fun to drive. Thanks for your thoughts!

[therealkenc]

Originally Posted by SteveChester

I've just gone PS4 all round from MPSS all round - tyres seem good to me although mileage is limited due to current restrictions.

Have you pushed it around bends at speed? Do the turn-ins and directness feel the same, better, worse?

[SteveChester]

Originally Posted by therealkenc

Have you pushed it around bends at speed? Do the turn-ins and directness feel the same, better, worse?

Sorry not really using it much at the moment - due to home working and lockdown.

[therealkenc]

Originally Posted by SteveChester

Sorry not really using it much at the moment - due to home working and lockdown.

All good, thanks anyway! If you do get the chance to push it, please let me know