Anyone else get banned from the G8X section for making fun of its looks?

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by GrussGott

Butterface in front, dial tone profile, toyota ass.

and the new Tesla S ... how is it different from the old one? I mean I wasn't a Model S aficionado so I'm probably missing stuff but from the outside it looks exactly the same and the interior too; ok new wheel and screen but is anything else different?

I hope someone introduces something cool ... I mean the M5 CS which should just be ok is looking like the most interesting car on the planet.

I beg to disagree :

[dms-01]

^ Now that is a fucking car.

[irunalot]

Your making me want to go Turbo instead of GT3. The 992 Turbo is gorgeous!

[MFNATIK]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

I beg to disagree :

Though not a fan of the squashed beetle, I do have to say that the Turbo S looks damn good even while sitting still. That is a testament to Porsche for sticking with the same shape/design but just refining it so well over the years. I wish I could say the same about BMW today.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by irunalot

Your making me want to go Turbo instead of GT3. The 992 Turbo is gorgeous!

You better not! The GT3 is the cat's meow.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

You better not! The GT3 is the cat's meow.

The GT3 is the purer driving experience while the Turbo is the more practical choice.

The reviews are all unanimous on the 992turbo though: Porsche seem to have infused a fair bit of the "GT2/3" driving experience in this latest turbo iteration, which makes for a compelling proposition .

[GrussGott]

Originally Posted by irunalot

Your making me want to go Turbo instead of GT3. The 992 Turbo is gorgeous!

I'm probably not getting either but I've been looking at them ... here's how they break down for me:

* The GT3 sounds, looks, and drives SO badass - like a freight train pulling a thunderstorm. It's the car my idealized self wants. needs.

* The turbo is cool, sleek, and elegant looking - it's only loud if you're looking at it. It drives like a normal car most all of the time; it's a legit grocery getter if you know how to park and don't mind a hip hinge. It's true, don't @ me. But then, only when you want it, it's absolutely batshit crazy insanely fast. It's the car my real self would actually enjoy most. It's an everyday car that also happens to be a supercar.

I think the 911s have morphed into GT cars which isn't necessarily bad and the turbo is the ultimate GT: elegant, useful, mostly quiet, occasionally insane. In spirit it's what the E9x was for me.

Neither really fits into my life right now, but ... once borders open up it sure would be fun to ED one and keep it in Germany for the max 9 months ... Maybe drive it through Switzerland & Austria and head for Estoril; always wanted to make that pilgrimage ... or, spend most of the time on the west coast of Norway ... a guy can dream ...

[swagon]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

I beg to disagree :

Fav 992 version to date. I've seen this exact spec but in a darker shade of colour. Those silver RIMZ are amazing in person (I'd never get them in black), as is the whole car. It's got the right amount of attitude whilst still looking classy enough.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by swagon

Fav 992 version to date. I've seen this exact spec but in a darker shade of colour. Those silver RIMZ are amazing in person (I'd never get them in black), as is the whole car. It's got the right amount of attitude whilst still looking classy enough.

This specific example is very close to how I specced mine (will have red calipers and wont have the model designation on the door) .

I agree, I find these wheels gorgeous in sliver.

[swagon]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

This specific example is very close to how I specced mine (will have red calipers and wont have the model designation on the door) .

I agree, I find these wheels gorgeous in sliver.

Base Turbo would be my choice, too. Don't need the extra fluff of the S and I, for sure, don't suffer from automotive FOMO that I would need to have the most expensive version for bragging rights.

Ordered your huge center-lock breaker bar yet?

[FormulaMMM]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

The GT3 is the purer driving experience while the Turbo is the more practical choice.

The reviews are all unanimous though on the 992turbo, Porsche seem to have infused a fair bit of the "GT2/3" driving experience in this latest turbo iteration, which makes for a compelling proposition .

Back seat, ~double torques @ 2500 rpm, no contortion required for ingress/egress, no body aches after 100 miles of driving, possible to have highway conversations at normal volume or listen to the radio, doesn’t sound illegal at 3,500 rpm, not beyond wife's comprehension. Would probably use Turbo 5x more often.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by swagon

Base Turbo would be my choice, too. Don't need the extra fluff of the S and I, for sure, don't suffer from automotive FOMO that I would need to have the most expensive version for bragging rights.

Ordered your huge center-lock breaker bar yet?

Not yet, but I will definitely need one

[CanAutM3]

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

Just watched, looks real good. A lot of interesting stuff in the press release, seems like a lot of focus went into making these excellent track vehicles.

Just gonna copy and paste the highlights from the other thread.

Official Cadillac Press Release

Originally Posted by Cadillac

CT5-V Blackwing: 6.2L Supercharged V8 - 668 hp, 659 lb-ft of torque
-GM-estimated top track speed: over 200 mph
-GM-estimated 0-60 mph: 3.7 seconds (automatic transmission)
-Most powerful Cadillac ever
-Air intake airflow is improved by 46 percent vs. the CTS-V
-Compact, high-output 1.7L four-lobe Eaton supercharger with small-diameter rotors that enable boost to be generated earlier in the rpm band for instantaneous response
-Rotocast A356T6 aluminum cylinder heads are stronger and handle heat better than conventional aluminum-alloy heads
-Lightweight titanium intake valves
-Track-capable wet-sump oiling and vent system with external oil separator and drainback

CT4-V Blackwing: 3.6L Twin-Turbo V6 - 472 hp, 445 lb-ft of torque
-GM-estimated top speed: 189 mph
-GM-estimated 0-60 mph: 3.8 seconds (automatic transmission)
-Most powerful and fastest Cadillac in the subcompact class
-Air intake restriction is improved by 39 percent vs. the ATS-V
-Turbocharger compressors matched for peak efficiency at peak power for optimal track performance
-Titanium connecting rods (manual transmission only) and revised crankshaft counterweights reduce main/rod bearing reciprocating loads
-Re-targeted piston oil squirters, which direct engine oil at the bottoms of the pistons, for improved temperature control
-The manifold-integrated water-to-air charge cooling system contributes to more immediate torque response
-Airflow routing volume is reduced by 60 percent when compared to a conventional design that features a remotely mounted heat exchanger

Available on the CT5-V Blackwing, the lightweight carbon-ceramic brake package significantly improves heat management, as well as greater resistance to wear under extreme conditions on the racetrack, while also reducing unsprung mass and rotating mass:
53-pound (24 kg) reduction in unsprung weight
62-pound (28 kg) reduction in rotating mass

Manual transmission is standard
Rare for sport sedans today, a six-speed TREMEC manual transmission is standard on both vehicles. It has been optimized for each V-Series Blackwing vehicle to provide an engaging experience on the track or on the road. Details include:

-LuK twin-disc clutch for high torque capacity and great pedal feel
-Active Rev Matching accessible via a console mounted toggle switch to automatically adjust engine speed to match anticipated downshifts
-No-Lift Shift allowing the driver to shift gears without letting off the gas pedal. In the case of the CT4-V Blackwing, it allows the turbos to remain spooled, resulting in faster lap times
-Transmission and rear differential cooling – the manual and automatic transmissions use the same track-performance cooling system for greater track performance
-Clutch and brake pedals positioned for optimal driver ergonomics
-A physical barrier stop for the clutch pedal rather than a hydraulic master cylinder stop provides greater driver feedback during clutch operation
-A shorter shifter ratio than previous generations for more precise shifts

Both V-Series Blackwing models also feature an enhanced Electronic Limited Slip Rear Differential. It weighs less and has been optimized for each driving mode and each Performance Traction Management setting.

Highlighted features:
-More control of the rear differential compared to traditional open and mechanical limited-slip differentials
-Enhances road grip by automatically allocating torque to the rear wheel with the most traction during hard cornering — with the capability of sending up to 1,475 lb-ft (2,000 Nm) of locking torque across the axle
-High-performance differential cooler
-An aluminum housing replacing the previous generation cast iron housing, reducing mass by more than 22 pounds (10 kg)
-Exclusive integrated heat exchanger for enhanced cooling

MR 4.0 highlights:
-Immense performance envelope that gave Cadillac engineers the freedom to optimize everyday driving and aggressive track performance
-New accelerometers and an inertial measurement unit that transmit and process changes in road conditions four times faster than the previous generation system
-Secondary temperature maps that enable engineers to compensate for changes in damper fluid temperature for more consistent performance, even during performance driving
-Inertial measurement unit that provides more precise measurements of body motion relative to the wheel for more accurate readings under heavy braking, hard cornering and other driving conditions
-Improved magnetic flux control that creates a more consistent and accurate transition between rebound and compression
-Improvements to transient body control that allow the vehicle to remain more level while transitioning between corners

All-day performance, on and off the track
The CT5-V Blackwing and CT4-V Blackwing build on Cadillac’s racing heritage and were developed to be track-capable straight from the factory. That includes an intensive validation program to ensure consistent performance during the most challenging track conditions.

Validation for both models included:
-Twenty-four-hour continuous track testing with the available automatic transmission, available carbon fiber aero package, aluminum wheels and available carbon ceramic brake package
-Twelve-hour continuous track testing with the standard manual transmission, available carbon fiber aero package, aluminum wheels and available carbon ceramic brake package
-Functional aerodynamics, including an available carbon fiber aero package, contribute to the V-Series Blackwing models’ track prowess to support a variety of cooling needs for the cars’ respective engines, transmissions, axles and other supporting systems.

Additionally, MICHELIN® Pilot Sport 4S tires developed exclusively for the V-Series Blackwing models contribute to their balance of track capability and road comfort. Highlights include:
-Unique, multiple-compound tread composition:
-Contact patch composed of three unique tread rubber compounds
-Racing “R compound” used for the majority of the tread
-Compounds optimized for wet traction, enhanced street and track durability, as well as rolling resistance
-The mold shape of the tire has been specifically engineered for Blackwing models to optimize contact with the road

Tire sizes:
-CT5-V Blackwing tire size: 275/35ZR19 (front) and 305/30ZR19 (rear)
-CT4-V Blackwing tire size: 255/35ZR18 (front) and 275/35ZR18 (rear)

Both V-Series Blackwing vehicles feature standard forged aluminum alloy wheels with staggered widths, front to rear. These forged wheels are stronger and lighter than conventional cast aluminum.

Wheel sizes:
-CT5-V Blackwing: Front – 19 x 10 inches / Rear – 19 x 11 inches
-CT4-V Blackwing: Front – 18 x 9 inches / Rear – 18 x 9.5 inches

[stein_325i]

BMW, this is how you advertise your bread and butter sports sedans!

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by stein_325i

Just watched, looks real good. A lot of interesting stuff in the press release, seems like a lot of focus went into making these excellent track vehicles.

Just gonna copy and paste the highlights from the other thread.

Official Cadillac Press Release

I have to admit though, promoting that the logo on the shifter is Cadillac's first production use of 3D printing is a bit lame. BMW have been 3D printing much more complex mechanically functional components such as cylinder heads for a few years already.

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

I have to admit though, promoting that the logo on the shifter is Cadillac's first production use of 3D printing is a bit lame. BMW have been 3D printing much more complex mechanically functional components such as cylinder heads for a few years already.

It is a bit tacky, but honestly compared to the M3/4's reveal, this just seems so much more exciting and driver focused. Just a much better reveal, its really sad that this new M3 just does not excite me for the first time.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by stein_325i

It is a bit tacky, but honestly compared to the M3/4's reveal, this just seems so much more exciting and driver focused. Just a much better reveal, its really sad that this new M3 just does not excite me for the first time.

Yes, definitely. That Cadillac marketing launch is so much better than what BMW did with the G8X. No comparison.

[kyrix1st]

Very perplexed about G82.

Driving wise, it is one of the few MTs available out there (a plus) with a nicer interior material than F82, but with potentially a more laggy engine and with quite a substantial weight gain.
Also the fact that rev limiter at 7200 rpm is exactly the same as the slushbox variant suggests they are being extremely miserly with product differentiation. Remember when E92 M3 got a 8400 rpm limit instead of S85's 8250 rpm just because it gives a more visceral character to the car? And don't even get me started on the electronic parking brake.

Design wise there is no respect to the heritage. The grills by themselves are not bad but they seriously lack coherence with the rest of the car. Very unlike BMW. What made 911, or any brand's signature model great lies in recognition and evolutionary interpretations of its historical elements. The car community also builds around the car's substance and reputation.

I suppose I can see myself driving a G82 MT if they kept the weight more or less the same as F82 but they did not. And gone are all the substantial carbon fiber elements that comprehensively made F82 great, instead we get a CFRP covid-19 mask and add-ons that ADD weight. Even harder to justify a near $90K price tag when a 718 GTS 4.0 is available for less money, inherently faster around the corners and comes with much more driver engagement.
Then one could argue for G82's "practical" advantages to the Porsche: the back seat that nobody really uses, more trunk space, and an option for AWD that only comes with a slushbox, not a DCT. All these things I could do with a high performance car from a different manufacturer. The car is no longer irreplaceable in the comparable category.

I guess it is sad for old timers that an M3 that was constantly compared to 911s of the same era and even topped the sports car at times now makes a generic compromised machine that is not very different from MB or Audi. BMW no longer actively "boasting" all the new technologies on the new G82 in the promotional videos unlike its predecessor also proves case in point.

[RugbyBro]

Originally Posted by kyrix1st

instead we get a CFRP covid-19 mask

Don’t start giving BMW ideas...

Up next: M-Performance Carbon Face Mask for $599

[GrussGott]

Originally Posted by RugbyBro

Don’t start giving BMW ideas...

Up next: M-Performance Carbon Face Mask for $599

+15hp?

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by GrussGott

+15hp?

Just like the grills, those three parts will be M-colored with fake badges surrounding it.