Anyone else get banned from the G8X section for making fun of its looks?

[stein_325i]

I love how the mods keep pushing G8X photos to the front page, as if we haven't already seen what the car looks like in white, blue and gray already a thousand different times.

[swagon]

Originally Posted by stein_325i

I love how the mods keep pushing G8X photos to the front page, as if we haven't already seen what the car looks like in white, blue and gray already a thousand different times.

It's always been like that... Then there will be threads on first customer deliveries; iND testing spacers; Akrapovic exhaust release... and maybe, sometimes in 2024, first press articles and videos. Only difference now is, there's nothing new coming in about the G80 other than photos from social media and very sporadic first impressions from folks who've seen it at public events.

I remember that back in early 2014, dude in Dubai picked his F80 up three months earlier than anyone else and so was the first customer to have the new generation. Gave us vbox data even. Thread was like 70 pages long. Wonder if that's gonna be surpassed given the current lack of engagement.

[secretanchitman]

Originally Posted by swagon

It's always been like that... Then there will be threads on first customer deliveries; iND testing spacers; Akrapovic exhaust release... and maybe, sometimes in 2024, first press articles and videos. Only difference now is, there's nothing new coming in about the G80 other than photos from social media and very sporadic first impressions from folks who've seen it at public events.

I remember that back in early 2014, dude in Dubai picked his F80 up three months earlier than anyone else and so was the first customer to have the new generation. Gave us vbox data even. Thread was like 70 pages long. Wonder if that's gonna be surpassed given the current lack of engagement.

70 pages of "See??? The grilles don't look that bad!!"

[pbar]

Originally Posted by MFNATIK

BTW, thought I'd share a real technical transmission video from the former BMW M division that made real M cars

I'm wondering what the reason is now to buy an M4 over an M440i ? Is there anything other than a modest tune?

On previous gens, the transmission was a huge differentiator for me. The chassis stiffness. CF driveshaft. Rear diff?

Now, what's really left other than software, and some badges? Could most people tell the difference from the inside driving them back to back? (I would honestly like to know the answer to this question!)

[RugbyBro]

Originally Posted by pbar

I'm wondering what the reason is now to buy an M4 over an M440i ? Is there anything other than a modest tune?

On previous gens, the transmission was a huge differentiator for me. The chassis stiffness. CF driveshaft. Rear diff?

Now, what's really left other than software, and some badges? Could most people tell the difference from the inside driving them back to back? (I would honestly like to know the answer to this question!)

This is what I've been thinking - it seems like there's less to differentiate regular and M models than ever before. Having driven the M and non-M of the 5 series and X3, they do feel a bit like a higher trim level rather than a different machine. Obviously Ms bear similarities to the regular cars that they are built off of, but going between the E46, E92, and F3X/F8X M & Non-M cars feel like wolves vs dogs rather than just top of the pack. Like why would anybody buy an M5 over and M550i or an M8 over a M850i given their intended use as street and touring vehicles? We've clearly reached a point where you can't sell a special car just on power anymore, it's a party trick that every one knows how to do now for cheap. So I would have hoped that M would do literally anything but take the path of least resistance and churn out German Hellcats. None of this matters though because from a shareholder's perspective, BMW is pivoting before our eyes and trying to increase its value threshold by any means necessary. For now that means milking the "M" brand as it reforms into a fully focused EV car company.

FWIW I actually really like the G30 M550i as a daily/cruiser and they will be a massive bargain after they slide down the absolutely brutal 5 series depreciation curve. With 500hp available in a bog-standard car and the fantastic ride comfort of this generation... I literally do not even see the point of a more powerful, less comfortable M5.

[Arcades]

Originally Posted by pbar

I'm wondering what the reason is now to buy an M4 over an M440i ? Is there anything other than a modest tune?

On previous gens, the transmission was a huge differentiator for me. The chassis stiffness. CF driveshaft. Rear diff?

Now, what's really left other than software, and some badges? Could most people tell the difference from the inside driving them back to back? (I would honestly like to know the answer to this question!)

Only thing would be the engine. M cars still have their S engines compared to the Baby M cars with a standard tuned engine.

Aside from some of the chassis changes, I don't think it's a big must now.

[jmg]

Originally Posted by MFNATIK

BTW, thought I'd share a real technical transmission video from the former BMW M division that made real M cars

Notice how at the end of the video the car is in motion and being driven? Why haven't they highlighted any driving shots in the G80 promotional videos? It's as if they know their "new" customer base don't care about how it drives. They just want bling, 0-60 bragging rights, and a badge.

[jmg]

Originally Posted by stein_325i

I love how the mods keep pushing G8X photos to the front page, as if we haven't already seen what the car looks like in white, blue and gray already a thousand different times.

I mean... they kind of have to. It's not like there is any news on the F8X and this is the next big release regardless of what we think.

[GrussGott]

Originally Posted by stein_325i

I love how the mods keep pushing G8X photos to the front page, as if we haven't already seen what the car looks like in white, blue and gray already a thousand different times.

I can't even tell you how many times I've submitted this one with no luck so far

They're SOOOoooo selective!

[GrussGott]

Originally Posted by secretanchitman

70 pages of "See??? The grilles don't look that bad!!"

The design problem with the G8x is that it violates one of the oldest rules of design: make it accessible. (maya = most advanced, yet accessible. I think) The guy who designed this car and also designed just about everything from 50s, and invented the rule:


Basically the product design rule is this:

• If you're designing to be revolutionary, make part of it familiar so people have something comforting to attach to and then extend ...
• If you're designing an incremental evolution, add something surprising to make it new and exciting.

The new G8x fails both design tests: all revolution everywhere, nothing familiar anywhere.

So even if you mod away the grille, the G8x will always be, at its core, not a BMW nor an M-car.

edit: and the new Model S/X fail the incremental test: nothing new/exciting externally, and internally only an airplane yoke steering wheel which won't make it to production.

[swagon]

Seems like dealers in Germany are starting to put them up for sale. This one, the say, is available right now, whilst others have a sale start of mid-March.

It's so overtly aggressive and busy-looking, yet there is so much blank space all over the car that it looks like a blob.

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by swagon

Seems like dealers in Germany are starting to put them up for sale. This one, the say, is available right now, whilst others have a sale start of mid-March.

It's so overtly aggressive and busy-looking, yet there is so much blank space all over the car that it looks like a blob.

god that's awful.

[swagon]

Originally Posted by stein_325i

god that's awful.

What's funny is that the German/European BMW websites and configurators are much more difficult to navigate than ever before.

And also a few months ago, I was in the new X5; I found the iDrive to be more complicated as well. Overall, just less intuitive than CIC or NBT (before the tile menu). If I recall, when you search for a destination in the new iDrive, it gives you all results incl. POIs? Don't remember exactly, but something about it was really weird.

[minn19]

Originally Posted by swagon

Seems like dealers in Germany are starting to put them up for sale. This one, the say, is available right now, whilst others have a sale start of mid-March.

It's so overtly aggressive and busy-looking, yet there is so much blank space all over the car that it looks like a blob.

Oddly, I like the wheels on it and are one of the only things that work on that thing, especially color wise with the gray. Usually, I hate wheels like that. Maybe because everything else is such a mess they don't look that bad to me.

[FormulaMMM]

Originally Posted by swagon

Seems like dealers in Germany are starting to put them up for sale. This one, the say, is available right now, whilst others have a sale start of mid-March.

It's so overtly aggressive and busy-looking, yet there is so much blank space all over the car that it looks like a blob.

Looks like the design directive was to create annoying disconnection from everything occurring here, then uglify.

[icegrill]

Originally Posted by GrussGott

I can't even tell you how many times I've submitted this one with no luck so far

They're SOOOoooo selective!

🤣 this is hinging on double ban territory!

[White340]

At least 20% of the community will be happy with it. I think Bmw was looking to cut 80% of their costs so they figured if you shrink demand by that much, then you produce fewer cars and therefore have lower costs. Must be the reason, right?

[R N M]

Originally Posted by MFNATIK

BTW, thought I'd share a real technical transmission video from the former BMW M division that made real M cars

Wow the BMW marketing budget for M3/4 has been canceled i see 😂.
F8x received professional well done videos with great info and cars in action. G8x is a guy talking to a phone camera while standing in a garage.

[pbar]

Originally Posted by minn19

Oddly, I like the wheels on it and are one of the only things that work on that thing, especially color wise with the gray. Usually, I hate wheels like that. Maybe because everything else is such a mess they don't look that bad to me.

That's because the wheels are the largest areas of the car that have a single consistent pattern.

[Jim B]

Originally Posted by GrussGott

The design problem with the G8x is that it violates one of the oldest rules of design: make it accessible. (maya = most advanced, yet accessible. I think) The guy who designed this car and also designed just about everything from 50s, and invented the rule:


Basically the product design rule is this:

• If you're designing to be revolutionary, make part of it familiar so people have something comforting to attach to and then extend ...
• If you're designing an incremental evolution, add something surprising to make it new and exciting.

The new G8x fails both design tests: all revolution everywhere, nothing familiar anywhere.

So even if you mod away the grille, the G8x will always be, at its core, not a BMW nor an M-car.

edit: and the new Model S/X fail the incremental test: nothing new/exciting externally, and internally only an airplane yoke steering wheel which won't make it to production.

This 1953 Studebaker, designed by Raymond Loewy, was one of the best looking cars of the 1950's. Beautiful!

[RugbyBro]

In case anyone here didn’t know how a crankshaft, conrods, and heads work. At least they stopped misleading people by implying it’s lighter than the prior gen crank.

Also I keep hearing “High Revving” as a buzz word

[Tecnniqe]

Originally Posted by MFNATIK

BTW, thought I'd share a real technical transmission video from the former BMW M division that made real M cars

This explains the weird jerkiness I've experienced but never figured out what was at low speed a few times. Makes complete sense if you think about it.