2021 c63s or M3

[kyle95]

Has anyone thought of getting the new c63 vs the upcoming g80? I sat in one today and the interior is amazing and the materials feel really solid. I guess it's such a dramatic change from the typical bmw hence why I fell in love. Has anyone driven the updated version ?

[ChuMpion3]

I am in the same boat. Been working with dealers on this swap of late. I think it’s a great looking car and is a fun replacement compared to a G8-. And I love my F80 which is allowing me to be aggressive with dealers since I don’t care if I lose cars.

[FormulaMMM]

I have one. Opinions expressed throughout this thread, pretty much unchanged since then https://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1762048

minn19 has one too

Let me know if you have any questions or are looking for specific feedback points.

[stein_325i]

On my shortlist for the next car along with the Giulia QV and upcoming Blackwings. I really wanted to get an M3, but I don't like the new design one bit.

Like FormulaMMM has said before, it reminds me more of an E39 M5 than an M3. Its still very playful, just more of a brute due to the heavier curb weight and the fantastic AMG V8. AMG's have always been more German Muscle than Sporty, although they are closing the gap. The V8 is definitely the star of the show and the best of the German trio in my opinion. Gearbox isn't as good as the other Germans although still decent, much better than the pre-refresh 7-speed.

I say try one out, as they are very different than your typical Bimmer. Find a used one to test out so you can really push it and try out that glorious engine. Plus it is likely the last V8 C-Class AMG ever!

[FormulaMMM]

Originally Posted by stein_325i

On my shortlist for the next car along with the Giulia QV and upcoming Blackwings. I really wanted to get an M3, but I don't like the new design one bit.

Like FormulaMMM has said before, it reminds me more of an E39 M5 than an M3. Its still very playful, just more of a brute due to the heavier curb weight and the fantastic AMG V8. AMG's have always been more German Muscle than Sporty, although they are closing the gap. The V8 is definitely the star of the show and the best of the German trio in my opinion. Gearbox isn't as good as the other Germans although still decent, much better than the pre-refresh 7-speed.

I say try one out, as they are very different than your typical Bimmer. Find a used one to test out so you can really push it and try out that glorious engine. Plus it is likely the last V8 C-Class AMG ever!

Yeah, engine is awesome. Does need some revs for sharp response.

Suspension tuning is still interesting to me. Good compliance over bigger stuff, but skitters over smaller imperfections. Elevated lane divider reflectors, for example, hit with a thud that's felt and heard through the cabin. Comfort mode could be more comfort. And again, almost 50 psi spec isn't helping.

From playing around on the street, 9 stage traction control is the real deal. 1 step up from off and I was sideways the other day.

Will probably take it to the track soon enough. My sense is it's more track capable than the '17 I previously experienced and I think it would be a waste of talent to not see what she'll do. Really cool track tech interface I want to use as well.

[dms-01]

Not for nothing but my wife just got a GLA 45AMG and I really like that car (for her) and it got me thinking about making the move to MB and a C63S but have yet to drive let alone sit in one. Don't get me wrong I still love my F80 but always looking for what else is out there and with the way the G80s have gone I doubt BMW is in the cards anymore regardless of 6MT or not. MB is a definite maybe I just need to get out and drive one but I did see a matte 63s coupe the other day that looked pretty damn good.

Oh and to OP nice pants lol.

[minn19]

Originally Posted by FormulaMMM

Yeah, engine is awesome. Does need some revs for sharp response.

Suspension tuning is still interesting to me. Good compliance over bigger stuff, but skitters over smaller imperfections. Elevated lane divider reflectors, for example, hit with a thud that's felt and heard through the cabin. Comfort mode could be more comfort. And again, almost 50 psi spec isn't helping.

From playing around on the street, 9 stage traction control is the real deal. 1 step up from off and I was sideways the other day.

Will probably take it to the track soon enough. My sense is it's more track capable than the '17 I previously experienced and I think it would be a waste of talent to not see what she'll do. Really cool track tech interface I want to use as well.

The manual is all over the place with tire pressures. For winter, I have the stock size 19s with PA4s on them and run 41 all the way around. For the stock summer PSS, I'm at 38 front and 33 rear IIRC (something like that). I found that is the three passenger/light load DD setting and it improves the ride immensely. Oddly, they have a bunch of different pressures for loads/mph on the gas door.

We have 4k plus miles on pur now and I enjoy it a ton. Much more than any of my F8Xs for a DD car. The MMI isn't as good as BMW, but once you get set to your liking (there are a ton of variations for the control panel etc) it isn't bad at all. The Burmester stereo and cabin is overall nicer than the HK and BMWs cabin IMO. That V8

If you intend to track a decent amount, I'd still pick the outgoing F8X over the C63S. But, if you just want a very nice/fast family sedan for a fun DD car the C63S is much better for that use IMO. People talk about the chassis, but 99% of people won't notice difference during backroad spirited driving between the two IMO. What they will notice is the engine differences though and MB clearly wins there. Not just in sound (it does that to), but overall grunt. Even though the performance numbers are similar, the V8 just feels like it has more grunt everywhere and doesn't fall flat in the upper RPM ranges. Again, this is all my opinion from having both so take it for what it is.

[FormulaMMM]

Originally Posted by minn19

The manual is all over the place with tire pressures. For winter, I have the stock size 19s with PA4s on them and run 41 all the way around. For the stock summer PSS, I'm at 38 front and 33 rear IIRC (something like that). I found that is the three passenger/light load DD setting and it improves the ride immensely. Oddly, they have a bunch of different pressures for loads/mph on the gas door.

Right, so was just going to come back here to amend previous statements about psi and ride quality after a first oil service appt.

Car was delivered at and door card indicates 48 front 45 rear. Turns out that's derestricted Autobahn spec with the entire family onboard... Now at 42 front 38 rear. Immediate improvement in ride quality, notably less harshness. 3 occupants + luggage recommended spec is 38 front 33 rear, like you say. So, surely even more compliance (and better performance) in that range. Stupid me. Should have looked into it more.

Oil change was $237.

Originally Posted by minn19

We have 4k plus miles on pur now and I enjoy it a ton. Much more than any of my F8Xs for a DD car. The MMI isn't as good as BMW, but once you get set to your liking (there are a ton of variations for the control panel etc) it isn't bad at all. The Burmester stereo and cabin is overall nicer than the HK and BMWs cabin IMO. That V8

If you intend to track a decent amount, I'd still pick the outgoing F8X over the C63S. But, if you just want a very nice/fast family sedan for a fun DD car the C63S is much better for that use IMO. People talk about the chassis, but 99% of people won't notice difference during backroad spirited driving between the two IMO. What they will notice is the engine differences though and MB clearly wins there. Not just in sound (it does that to), but overall grunt. Even though the performance numbers are similar, the V8 just feels like it has more grunt everywhere and doesn't fall flat in the upper RPM ranges. Again, this is all my opinion from having both so take it for what it is.

Agreed. About 5,500 miles here. Find myself using the wheel controls for instrument cluster and center screen almost always. Visit the center console buttons just to activate the cameras.

Random gripe -- the top of the door interior where you might rest your left arm on a long trip feels low rent and has a styrofoam sound to it. Notice that??

[minn19]

Originally Posted by FormulaMMM

Right, so was just going to come back here to amend previous statements about psi and ride quality after a first oil service appt.

Car was delivered at and door card indicates 48 front 45 rear. Turns out that's derestricted Autobahn spec with the entire family onboard... Now at 42 front 38 rear. Immediate improvement in ride quality, notably less harshness. 3 occupants + luggage recommended spec is 38 front 33 rear, like you say. So, surely even more compliance (and better performance) in that range. Stupid me. Should have looked into it more.

Oil change was $237.



Agreed. About 5,500 miles here. Find myself using the wheel controls for instrument cluster and center screen almost always. Visit the center console buttons just to activate the cameras.

Random gripe -- the top of the door interior where you might rest your left arm on a long trip feels low rent and has a styrofoam sound to it. Notice that??

I haven't noticed that, I may regret it, but I'll take a look next time I'm in it.

[FormulaMMM]

Originally Posted by minn19

I haven't noticed that, I may regret it, but I'll take a look next time I'm in it.

You'll regret it. Keep your elbow armrest or lower.

[kyle95]

Originally Posted by dms-01

Not for nothing but my wife just got a GLA 45AMG and I really like that car (for her) and it got me thinking about making the move to MB and a C63S but have yet to drive let alone sit in one. Don't get me wrong I still love my F80 but always looking for what else is out there and with the way the G80s have gone I doubt BMW is in the cards anymore regardless of 6MT or not. MB is a definite maybe I just need to get out and drive one but I did see a matte 63s coupe the other day that looked pretty damn good.

Oh and to OP nice pants lol.

Lol haha thanks !

[kyle95]

Thanks for all the insight guys!! Really appreciate it but I pulled the trigger on a 2019 c63 cpo for a killer deal. I will eventually tune and do mods down the line. I just wanted to try something different from bmw. I just can't get over the new g80 grilles lol! The v8 has a special place with me as I went through two e9x. My f80 was beautiful but for some reason just was not happy with it. Hoping my experience will be good as this is my first amg vehicle.

I'm not a track rat , I will maybe try a track day for fun but overall willing to give it a try. I will miss having a manual but hey maybe down the line I'll pick up a Porsche 911.

[itrocks4u]

First impressions?

[kyle95]

Originally Posted by itrocks4u

First impressions?

Picking up during the week , gettin the car from Ohio . I will be sure to give feedback

[dms-01]

Post a pic.

[bsmf8x]

I think the c63 is a phenomenal car, if they could lease $750-950 a month like these F8x people would be all over them. Unfortunately paying over 80k or leasing for 1100-1400 (people ik pay this much) is why they're so rare. Car sounds insane, looks insane (coupe) and is amazing overall

[FormulaMMM]

Originally Posted by bsmf8x

I think the c63 is a phenomenal car, if they could lease $750-950 a month like these F8x people would be all over them. Unfortunately paying over 80k or leasing for 1100-1400 (people ik pay this much) is why they're so rare. Car sounds insane, looks insane (coupe) and is amazing overall

Mine was a 94k build, probably approached 15k off (bit gray with trade in).

So, maybe AMG counters with pretty strong negotiability.

Subjective but my Merc dealer is better top to bottom than any BMW dealer I've dealt with. Salesman, management, that side of the business great to deal with. AMG specific mechanic only works on my car and he's legit.

Also subjective and lacking analysis, but my impression after looking new & used F8X and AMG over the years is that the C63 S might hold onto value a little bit better. There are just fewer of them out there for one thing. Like 200 '18 M3's for sale, just 13 '18 C63 S sedans on Cars.com right now.

Covered 300 miles in mine with the family yesterday, it's a killer road trip car. Would not trade for F8X for those purposes. Averaged almost 25 mpg even with some fun mixed in. Pretty remarkable for such a nuke of an engine.

Hope you enjoy yours, OP. Congrats. Also coming from 2x E90s. Tough one to replace, but believe the C63 S will do a better job of it than the G8X.

[bsmf8x]

Originally Posted by FormulaMMM

Mine was a 94k build, probably approached 15k off (bit gray with trade in).

So, maybe AMG counters with pretty strong negotiability.

Subjective but my Merc dealer is better top to bottom than any BMW dealer I've dealt with. Salesman, management, that side of the business great to deal with. AMG specific mechanic only works on my car and he's legit.

Also subjective and lacking analysis, but my impression after looking new & used F8X and AMG over the years is that the C63 S might hold onto value a little bit better. There are just fewer of them out there for one thing. Like 200 '18 M3's for sale, just 13 '18 C63 S sedans on Cars.com right now.

Covered 300 miles in mine with the family yesterday, it's a killer road trip car. Would not trade for F8X for those purposes. Averaged almost 25 mpg even with some fun mixed in. Pretty remarkable for such a nuke of an engine.

Hope you enjoy yours, OP. Congrats. Also coming from 2x E90s. Tough one to replace, but believe the C63 S will do a better job of it than the G8X.

Interesting, a ton of F8x are leased here in NY, and I know for a fact that getting a C63S with a sticker over 80, especially the coupe is almost impossible to lease under 1k.

On the other hand, I barely know anybody paying over 1k for a F8x lease unless it's a vert. Plus bmw has all maintenance covered. In my opinion that's why there's so many more M's, the M definitely isn't that much of a superior car unless you're tracking it. I have an M4 and have spent a ton of time in both. M4 is the better drivers car but c63 is leagues ahead in terms of interior, sound, and I think the coupe looks insane, it's just by far more expensive to lease.

[Humdizzle]

the c63 is the better daily for sure. better interior, materials, sound deadening to remove wind/road noise... and then you get the V8 which is icing on top.

the main issue (and probably why leases are high)... is that it depreciates a TON. the higher initial cost + the insane depreciation make it a no-go for me.

[joooiiiiii]

Never driven it but living in Stuttgart--you see them everywhere. I fking love seeing (and hearing) them drive around. I would get the coupe, it looks great.

[FormulaMMM]

Originally Posted by Humdizzle

the main issue (and probably why leases are high)... is that it depreciates a TON. the higher initial cost + the insane depreciation make it a no-go for me.

I don't see the insane depreciation. List prices are +$5,000 or more for higher mileage '18 C63 S vs. '18 F80 ZCP with options (probably approaching equal MSRP to C63 S).

'18 F80 ZCP with <20,000 miles are listed in low 50's. Equal mileage C63 S are low 60's.

Not that either car is a bargain or investment, but don't think the C63 S is outside the norm on depreciation. Off the cuff analysis is that it probably holds value a bit better.

[Humdizzle]

Originally Posted by FormulaMMM

I don't see the insane depreciation. List prices are +$5,000 or more for higher mileage '18 C63 S vs. '18 F80 ZCP with options (probably approaching equal MSRP to C63 S).

'18 F80 ZCP with <20,000 miles are listed in low 50's. Equal mileage C63 S are low 60's.

Not that either car is a bargain or investment, but don't think the C63 S is outside the norm on depreciation. Off the cuff analysis is that it probably holds value a bit better.

good call. i watched this guys video on the comparison, around the 5 minute mark. depreciation curves are almost the same now for both cars.

might have to consider selling my f80 in for a c63s now