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      02-26-2018, 11:00 PM   #89
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Aww... sorry for your loss minn

I remember my aunt who lost a dog of hers. She was completely out of it for so long. He was a well trained German Shepherd too. None of the dogs after him was ever the same for me.
Losing a dog is really hard, because it hits really deep - almost like itís a family member, but it feels wrong to mourn it as though you lost a person in your life. You feel like you donít really have permission to mourn publically.

Iíve been there.
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This Mueller investigation continues to be an epic legal tour de force of how justice works ...

(1.) Originally Gates was charged with 12 counts including conspiracy against the US, conspiracy to launder money, being an unregistered agent of a foreign principal, making false and misleading statements, and failing to file reports of foreign bank and financial accounts.

(2.) Then Mueller upped the ante to 24 counts including tax fraud, bank fraud, bank-fraud conspiracy, and failure to file reports of foreign bank and financial accounts.

(3.) Then Mueller upped the ante again to 32 counts.

Gates, finally realizing that corrupt sinners can run along for a long time, but sooner or later God's gonna cut 'em down, did the right thing and plea bargained out.

This is quite a big deal.

Because what it means is that a guy who was around all through the Trump campaign and well into the transition is now fully cooperating ... and for a guy who was indicted and charged 32 times by a jury of his peers but is being given a slight pass ... well it means he must have something big.

very big.

Justice is coming and she's a hell of a storm

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Hey, someone pointed out that like 3,000 of my posts disappeared!

If that was all the fucking SSOTT ... WHATHEFUCK!

what are we doing?

what kinds of lives are these?

we're not men...

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Hey, someone pointed out that like 3,000 of my posts disappeared!

If that was all the fucking SSOTT ... WHATHEFUCK!

what are we doing?

what kinds of lives are these?

we're not men...

That's on me. You still have that email in use I think I have on file somewhere?
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That's on me. You still have that email in use I think I have on file somewhere?
It's grussgott@gmail.com, but I don't really care, I feel like I'm young again! There's new potential!
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This Mueller investigation continues to be an epic legal tour de force of how justice works ...

(1.) Originally Gates was charged with 12 counts including conspiracy against the US, conspiracy to launder money, being an unregistered agent of a foreign principal, making false and misleading statements, and failing to file reports of foreign bank and financial accounts.

(2.) Then Mueller upped the ante to 24 counts including tax fraud, bank fraud, bank-fraud conspiracy, and failure to file reports of foreign bank and financial accounts.

(3.) Then Mueller upped the ante again to 32 counts.

Gates, finally realizing that corrupt sinners can run along for a long time, but sooner or later God's gonna cut 'em down, did the right thing and plea bargained out.

This is quite a big deal.

Because what it means is that a guy who was around all through the Trump campaign and well into the transition is now fully cooperating ... and for a guy who was indicted and charged 32 times by a jury of his peers but is being given a slight pass ... well it means he must have something big.

very big.

Justice is coming and she's a hell of a storm

And now apparently all those charges are dropped. Clearly he served up a big pile of information that Mueller found useful. Things are going to start heating up I think.
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GrussGott, I have my first disagreement with you for the year! Although it is a minor one.

I've been lurking in the thread where the guy got the individual stitching wrong. I normally agree with you to move on with your life, but not in this case. People order individual for a reason because they want it well individual to their tastes. BMWNA or AG, it doesn't matter to me, is selling a very expensive premium service on top of a supposedly already premium experience the brand is pushing/marketing/selling. Now, I'll agree some go overboard in what they want for compensation, but the usual BMW aw shucks oh well response is bullshit. Getting it wrong (and it sounds like it happens all too often) is not a very premium experience. In his case if they want him to keep the car, I don't think his request of the stictiching AND cost of the leather refund is exorbitant. If you (BMW) fuck up on the premium experience you better fix it in a premium way. Especially with the profit they are making on these cars.

I also disagree with others who are saying he should've refused delivery. Most aren't even in a position to do that because they turned in their leased cars or are picking it up during Euro delivery. I suppose they could extend the lease a couple of months with BMWFS.

First world problems, but I'd be pissed if I paid that much and waited that long and a major part of it was wrong. C'mon BMW.

By the way, what did they fuck up on your car?
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And now apparently all those charges are dropped. Clearly he served up a big pile of information that Mueller found useful. Things are going to start heating up I think.
Adm. Mike Rogers, director of both the U.S. Cyber Command and the National Security Agency, told lawmakers yesterday that he has not been granted the authority by President Trump to disrupt Russian election hacking operations ,

"Asked by Democratic Sen. Jack Reed if he has been directed by the President, through the defense secretary, to confront Russian cyber operators at the source, Rogers said 'no I have not' but noted that he has tried to work within the authority he maintains as a commander."

Rogers' key quote: "Clearly what we have done hasn't been enough."

White House press secretary Sarah Sanders: "Nobody is denying him the authority. We’re looking at a number of different ways that we can put pressure."

Be smart: This is a very important, very consequential story. This is the top cyber official saying Trump, despite overwhelming and unambiguous proof Russia continues to meddle in our elections, isn’t retaliating.
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Adm. Mike Rogers, director of both the U.S. Cyber Command and the National Security Agency, told lawmakers yesterday that he has not been granted the authority by President Trump to disrupt Russian election hacking operations ,

"Asked by Democratic Sen. Jack Reed if he has been directed by the President, through the defense secretary, to confront Russian cyber operators at the source, Rogers said 'no I have not' but noted that he has tried to work within the authority he maintains as a commander."

Rogers' key quote: "Clearly what we have done hasn't been enough."

White House press secretary Sarah Sanders: "Nobody is denying him the authority. Weíre looking at a number of different ways that we can put pressure."

Be smart: This is a very important, very consequential story. This is the top cyber official saying Trump, despite overwhelming and unambiguous proof Russia continues to meddle in our elections, isnít retaliating.
Yup, and now Mueller is asking about trump directly too, as if we haven't had the news of the week competitors all picked out already and it's only Tuesday.

Btw, heads up guys, our favorite showed up again
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BMWNA or AG, it doesn't matter to me, is selling a very expensive premium service on top of a supposedly already premium experience the brand is pushing/marketing/selling.
Well, IMO it's not a "premium service" and that should be obvious from the fact that there's no "program" just a ton of shit you have to do, and they have two versions, Individual Collection and Individual Manufaktur. Collection isn't a "service" - you just order the options you want based on what they tell you is available, and Manufaktur is the same: you order what you want based on the options they tell you are available ... except for Manufaktur discovering what's available is horrible, and getting it is worse.

And if you really look at BMW's marketing, they're actually not advertising it as a "premium service" but more an available set of options - they imply the things you can get a super fancy, but they don't advertise a service.

I think people around HERE talk about Manufaktur like it's a special or a premium service and nobody bothers correcting them (or they don't want to be corrected), but they're deluding themselves; Manufaktur is just a set of options that are a massive pain in the ass to order.

So my point is, BMW makes no explicit or implicit promises on a "premium" program or service, only that you MIGHT BE ABLE to order things not in the product schedule.

Said differently, people need to stop being pretentious little pussies about ordering stitching. You ordered the chicken burrito and you got beef - you can lose your shit over it or just eat it and move on with your day. Judge Judy rules and all that.
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Well, IMO it's not a "premium service" and that should be obvious from the fact that there's no "program" just a ton of shit you have to do, and they have two versions, Individual Collection and Individual Manufaktur. Collection isn't a "service" - you just order the options you want based on what they tell you is available, and Manufaktur is the same: you order what you want based on the options they tell you are available ... except for Manufaktur discovering what's available is horrible, and getting it is worse.

And if you really look at BMW's marketing, they're actually not advertising it as a "premium service" but more an available set of options - they imply the things you can get a super fancy, but they don't advertise a service.

I think people around HERE talk about Manufaktur like it's a special or a premium service and nobody bothers correcting them (or they don't want to be corrected), but they're deluding themselves; Manufaktur is just a set of options that are a massive pain in the ass to order.

So my point is, BMW makes no explicit or implicit promises on a "premium" program or service, only that you MIGHT BE ABLE to order things not in the product schedule.

Said differently, people need to stop being pretentious little pussies about ordering stitching. You ordered the chicken burrito and you got beef - you can lose your shit over it or just eat it and move on with your day. Judge Judy rules and all that.
Oh so you a pay a shit ton for the options and have to do most of the leg work. That sounds awesome where I can I sign up to be treated like shit while paying through the nose.

Edit: I still disagree (shocking I know). A company like BMW should be getting this stuff right period and I don't mind even more now the way you describe it that people bitch about it it when it is wrong.
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Oh so you a pay a shit ton for the options and have to do most of the leg work. That sounds awesome where I can I sign up to be treated like shit while paying through the nose.

Edit: I still disagree (shocking I know). A company like BMW should be getting this stuff right period and I don't mind even more now the way you describe it that people bitch about it it when it is wrong.
Yeah! Seriously, that's what Individual Manufaktur is!

It's like the moron's choice, but people around here Trump-it into some kind of premium thing ... when really it's always just barely not a catastrophe. My wife seriously gets "order anxiety" as this is our 3rd Individual (and we've never done a big project) and they've all gone wrong somehow and all been WAY WAY more work than we thought.

I won't say what went wrong this time, but it was just colors and things not as I'd ordered, but in the end all fine, but the explanation was hilarious. It was basically, "yes we know you ordered it that way, but only an imbecile would do that, so we fixed it for you"

And I'm not adding much more to their explanation that what was there.
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Yeah! Seriously, that's what Individual Manufaktur is!

It's like the moron's choice, but people around here Trump-it into some kind of premium thing ... when really it's always just barely not a catastrophe. My wife seriously gets "order anxiety" as this is our 3rd Individual (and we've never done a big project) and they've all gone wrong somehow and all been WAY WAY more work than we thought.

I won't say what went wrong this time, but it was just colors and things not as I'd ordered, but in the end all fine, but the explanation was hilarious. It was basically, "yes we know you ordered it that way, but only an imbecile would do that, so we fixed it for you"

And I'm not adding much more to their explanation that what was there.
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Edit: I still disagree (shocking I know). A company like BMW should be getting this stuff right period and I don't mind even more now the way you describe it that people bitch about it it when it is wrong.
so here's my agree / disagree:

* Should BMW have this down? YES! we agree

* Does BWW has this down? NO! we agree

* Should this forum help people understand that? YES! We may disagree

I guess a life lesson for me is to separate out the practical get-shit-done side of things from the principled side of things.

If we were doing things right, rather than bitch, we'd sticky a thread called "Individual Manufaktur Blow Donkey Balls - here's how to manage it". And the first post would say, "ok this is going to suck, but if you're ok with that, here's how to do it ..."

THEN

We'd create a group letter to BMWNA telling them their service sucks and making specific actionable recommendations on how to fix it. If we were REALLY good, we'd get everyone to agree not to order individual until they fix it.

The reason we don't do any of that stuff is because people have a fantasy and what I just wrote would blow it up.
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so here's my agree / disagree:

* Should BMW have this down? YES! we agree

* Does BWW has this down? NO! we agree

* Should this forum help people understand that? YES! We may disagree

I guess a life lesson for me is to separate out the practical get-shit-done side of things from the principled side of things.

If we were doing things right, rather than bitch, we'd sticky a thread called "Individual Manufaktur Blow Donkey Balls - here's how to manage it". And the first post would say, "ok this is going to suck, but if you're ok with that, here's how to do it ..."

THEN

We'd create a group letter to BMWNA telling them their service sucks and making specific actionable recommendations on how to fix it. If we were REALLY good, we'd get everyone to agree not to order individual until they fix it.

The reason we don't do any of that stuff is because people have a fantasy and what I just wrote would blow it up.
I can agree with this.
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GrussGott how much of a pain is just plain ol European delivery? No individual etc and just regular options.
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GrussGott how much of a pain is just plain ol European delivery? No individual etc and just regular options.
quite simple as you just ask for it and provide 3 dates, noting the one you want most. (price negotiation is always complex so you just need to understand the pricing sheet as normal).

Once you get your selected date, then you just book flights, they pick you up at the airport or train station. Then you are required (by me) to use Sixt My Driver to get to the Welt on pickup day. You'll think you shouldn't but if you do you'll get it. It's like going to Hawaii.

It's an extremely easy and fun program. It's stupid not to do it.

Also, definitely do the tour, and ideally do a custom tour. It's a bit expensive but they REALLY go all out and it's totally worth it. The lady that did ours was so astonishingly versed ... I've literally never met anyone anywhere that knew as much about her job as her. We asked CAH-RAY-ZY questions and she not only had an answer, but numbers and details going back decades. I really can't say enough about how impressive it was. The reason the custom tour is great is because you can have her pause anywhere and focus on specifics - in our case it was on ///M production and she showed us a lot of stuff that's not on the normal tour.

Anyway, BMW ED is spectacular - you will be stunned how awesome it is and I'm a jaded consumer.

tbh - we probably wouldn't have gotten a BMW this time is it wasn't for ED
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"yes we know you ordered it that way, but only an imbecile would do that, so we fixed it for you"

And I'm not adding much more to their explanation that what was there.

So what you are saying is you reeeeaaaallly didnt order the Silverstone leather? but the Sakhir? LOL
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And now Hicks jumped out.

What the hell is going on with your country?
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And now Hicks jumped out.

What the hell is going on with your country?
Jumped or pushed.........?
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Pushed but that's the modern way all the kids do their jumping these days!
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Yeah! Seriously, that's what Individual Manufaktur is!

It's like the moron's choice, but people around here Trump-it into some kind of premium thing ... when really it's always just barely not a catastrophe. My wife seriously gets "order anxiety" as this is our 3rd Individual (and we've never done a big project) and they've all gone wrong somehow and all been WAY WAY more work than we thought.

I won't say what went wrong this time, but it was just colors and things not as I'd ordered, but in the end all fine, but the explanation was hilarious. It was basically, "yes we know you ordered it that way, but only an imbecile would do that, so we fixed it for you"

And I'm not adding much more to their explanation that what was there.
That thread pisses me off.

When it comes down to it, BMW, Benz or Audi all offer this but it is only BMW that seems to be pushing it the hardest as of late. Maybe because BMW saw the % of buyers for Ms that seems to be asking for other colors that aren't the typical White, Black or "special" Gray they don't have like Nardo, Grigio Telesto or my Medio. They figured, well hell so many Ms in F8x gen seems to like them why don't we just make one too? Boom, Lime Rock Gray.

Individual colors is exactly as the title states, it's an individual choice. Who the fuck said you should do it if you don't like it? Why are there SO many whiners on the forums that seems to feel like BMW should be way more charitable when it comes to what they offer? The fact is normal buyers that aren't on the forums buy White, Black, Metallic Grey way more than AY, SO or YMB.

If they don't like it, well fucking tough okay? BMW isn't a fucking charity, they are a corporation and at the bottom line they make money. I don't see people here bitch about Porsche and how they gouge you w/ options. Options that are normally standard for other brands are an option for Porsche and that is literally where ALL of their profit comes from.

To all you lemmings on the forums whining about every little thing. Deal with it. The world doesn't cater to you. Stop bitching. FFS. Everyone on Bimmerpost seems to want BMW to give them things for free, that isn't how the world works.

Edit: I want to do ED eventually too. Would love to do that...
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