How to hit 600whp?

[natedog7700]

Im sure this has been asked before, but im having trouble finding links to achieve a 600whp build. Can it be done on stock turbo's or will they need to be upgraded? Does the fuel system need to be upgraded or do you need to run E85/meth? Im going to sell my 335 soon and i was looking into F80's but im not sure if its the route i want to take or not. I would rather keep mods at a minimum but still want a solid 550-600whp.

[MEXICO NEW YORK]

Originally Posted by natedog7700

Im sure this has been asked before, but im having trouble finding links to achieve a 600whp build. Can it be done on stock turbo's or will they need to be upgraded? Does the fuel system need to be upgraded or do you need to run E85/meth? Im going to sell my 335 soon and i was looking into F80's but im not sure if its the route i want to take or not. I would rather keep mods at a minimum but still want a solid 550-600whp.

VRSF downpipes, and cary jordan full e85 custom dyno tune via bootmod3. less than 2 grand for 600whp, message CaryTheLabelGuy
and enjoy

[hellokitty]

Much cheaper to get to 600 whp compared to the N54... no supplemental fueling needed for full E85. Saves you from doing the LPFP/PI combo needed to get to 600 whp. Upgraded turbos aren’t needed either.

[DanMpower]

I'm still blown away by with just downpipes and a tune we can get 600WHP out of these cars. Especially having only 3 liters of displacement.

*WARNING* Fanboy ranting below

Is the S55 the ONLY 6 cylinder that can reach those numbers with such minimal mods?

I know the GTR can hit upper 500s with FULL BOLT ONs and E85 Tune, and that's with 3.8 liters to play with.

Oh and 2JZ what??

[Thescout13]

Originally Posted by LloydChristmas

I'm still blown away by with just downpipes and a tune we can get 600WHP out of these cars. Especially having only 3 liters of displacement.

*WARNING* Fanboy ranting below

Is the S55 the ONLY 6 cylinder that can reach those numbers with such minimal mods?

I know the GTR can hit upper 500s with FULL BOLT ONs and E85 Tune, and that's with 3.8 liters to play with.

Oh and 2JZ what??

I was reading this post ready to go all in and snipe you and bring up the GTR, but you hedged! Damn you!

Kidding. I believe that the GTR does need full bolt ons IIRC but man can it put down the power better than the M3/4 due to the AWD.

[Simmadown115]

How long do you want to put down 600whp until the crank hub goes?

I think the ads for what people can do with a tune should also account for what preventative work needs to happen to keep these motors happy.

I love the S55, but the 2JZ and the GTR can handle much more power reliably than the S55. Sure it's cheap to put down the power, but it's not cheap when the power puts you down....

[pikkagtr]

Might be cheaper with a F10
A jb4 puts you there with some corn blend
About the same price too
If I weren't in love with the RS3 hatch that VAG won't bring over here ......
There's a low mileage '16 comp F10 near me in ~$55k

[Zero_Cool]

Originally Posted by pikkagtr

Might be cheaper with a F10
A jb4 puts you there with some corn blend
About the same price too
If I weren't in love with the RS3 hatch that VAG won't bring over here ......
There's a low mileage '16 comp F10 near me in ~$55k

A growing part of me has been eyeing the gently used F10 comps since the F90 has hit the market. I would love to grab one for the wife, so I can drive it when she wants to do road trips muahaha. I just need to see if it can fit a car seat and two boosters lol. 3rd kid in future future plans.

[MEXICO NEW YORK]

Originally Posted by Simmadown115

How long do you want to put down 600whp until the crank hub goes?

I think the ads for what people can do with a tune should also account for what preventative work needs to happen to keep these motors happy.

I love the S55, but the 2JZ and the GTR can handle much more power reliably than the S55. Sure it's cheap to put down the power, but it's not cheap when the power puts you down....

20+k hard miles strong

[tom @ eas]

Doesn't take much:

- BM3 Flash tune
- CaryTheLabelGuy E85 Flash tuning on dyno
- Catless Downpipes
- BMC Filters
- Spark Plugs (1-step colder, regapped)

Optional (but highly recommended)
- Charge Pipes

You'll have both 91/93 octane (depending on region) and E85 files to switch back and forth as needed, you also get the GTS DCT flash as part of the BM3 package. On our end, everything can be done in same day, including dyno tuning.

[MEXICO NEW YORK]

Originally Posted by tom @ eas

Doesn't take much:

- BM3 Flash tune
- CaryTheLabelGuy E85 Flash tuning on dyno
- Catless Downpipes
- BMC Filters
- Spark Plugs (1-step colder, regapped)

Optional (but highly recommended)
- Charge Pipes

You'll have both 91/93 octane (depending on region) and E85 files to switch back and forth as needed, you also get the GTS DCT flash as part of the BM3 package. On our end, everything can be done in same day, including dyno tuning.

Question, why bother w charge pipes until the stock ones go? I’ve had that mentality for a long time waiting for them to go and they’re still holding up

[tom @ eas]

Originally Posted by MEXICO NEW YORK

Question, why bother w charge pipes until the stock ones go? I’ve had that mentality for a long time waiting for them to go and they’re still holding up

I listed charge pipes as highly recommended. Charge pipes have been known to fail even on stock boost levels, we have some examples in this thread:

S55 Intake Charge Pipe Failure
https://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1113212

While the stock pipes are ok in most cases, they can fail when boost levels are running 2x over stock. We like the ESS Silicone charge pipes, which remain cool to the touch even on the dyno. It's purely your call, but preparing beforehand will make sure you are never stranded on the side of the road.

[Mike@N54Tuning.com]

JB4, their E85 BEF loaded via MHD which allows you to adjust your mix from 0-100% E85 as you see fit, map7 which peaks around 26psi when you're on a heavy E85 mix. Normally also need the 2step colder NGK plugs gapped at 0.022", stronger chargepipes (I suggest BMS, ER or vrsf), and an intake helps also (again I suggest BMS).

Having the JB4 will give you lots of nifty features like on the fly boost adjustment per gear, ability to control the exhaust flapper open/closed on the fly (really handy if you ever decide to do downpipes), wireless logging and gauges to your smart phone, a boost gauge in dash, free maps and tuning support, etc.

Mike

[MaynardZed]

Originally Posted by Simmadown115

How long do you want to put down 600whp until the crank hub goes?

I love the S55, but the 2JZ and the GTR can handle much more power reliably than the S55. Sure it's cheap to put down the power, but it's not cheap when the power puts you down....

2JZ’s advantage is the big old cast iron block and non interference valve train. But the S55 seems pretty strong for what it is.

[FenixMike]

Originally Posted by tom @ eas

I listed charge pipes as highly recommended. Charge pipes have been known to fail even on stock boost levels, we have some examples in this thread:

S55 Intake Charge Pipe Failure
https://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1113212

While the stock pipes are ok in most cases, they can fail when boost levels are running 2x over stock. We like the ESS Silicone charge pipes, which remain cool to the touch even on the dyno. It's purely your call, but preparing beforehand will make sure you are never stranded on the side of the road.

I love the ESS Charge pipes... simple install, look fantastic, and when you look at the interior diameter of the factory plastic vs the larger ESS setup, there has to be some efficiency gain... I did them at the same time as the ESS flash so I can't speak for absolute power gain, but its nice not having to worry about an issue down the line.

[DanMpower]

Originally Posted by Simmadown115

I love the S55, but the 2JZ and the GTR can handle much more power reliably than the S55. Sure it's cheap to put down the power, but it's not cheap when the power puts you down....

We can't really make statements like the 2JZ or VR38 can handle MUCH more power without finding the limits of the S55 first.

They all have their weaknesses, the 2JZ-GTE with their rod bolts, the VR38DETT with the actual rods themselves. The S55 can spin the crank hub but then again it can spin it stock so not sure if it's 100 percent power related.

Has anybody found the weak spots on the S55 as for as the internals go? I know there are 700whp stock block S55's running around without issues and on the other hand SP engineering had GTRs bend the stock rods at only 525whp with no signs of detonation...

[chewbakam4]

Downpipes, E85, BM3 custom map with Paul or Cary = 600 club

[blockdoc]

Originally Posted by Simmadown115

How long do you want to put down 600whp until the crank hub goes?

I think the ads for what people can do with a tune should also account for what preventative work needs to happen to keep these motors happy.

I love the S55, but the 2JZ and the GTR can handle much more power reliably than the S55. Sure it's cheap to put down the power, but it's not cheap when the power puts you down....

But it's a friggin Nissan!

[Simmadown115]

S55 is one of the best M motor designs for power I have seen. I think the stock block is also well underrated, but I am on the fence on keeping the car forever for a piece of history on the last RWD M3 ever created. Sure the E92s are classics already, but I can't see how you can drive an E92 and an F8x and then claim anything besides the sound is better.

I haven't seen many F8x with 100k+ miles on them yet to see if there's any drastic failure that could happen. These cars are still a few years old and only time will tell us if the blocks are solid. If installing a keyed hub will save these blocks, they will have an amazing used M car market just like the E30. E46, E92s and E39s. If they are ticking time bombs like the E60s then they will be on craigslist in a few years for less than 20k.

[NoMoreAudi]

Originally Posted by blockdoc

But it's a friggin Nissan!

GTR is heavy and boring to drive. You can drive it RRR mode or TCS completely off with just 1 hand... not engaging at all.

I had a fbo GTR E85 a few cars back and yeah, it was fast (gears 1 to 3 only) and launched really well, but after 3rd gear the car was a boat without power. Torque limit on stock drivetrain was 600/620 lb ft and that was the limiting factor.

Some guys ran NISMO or upgraded turbos and dialed down the torque, but why de-tune your car and still have a chance to grenade the transmission?

A proper transmission rebuild to get over 1000WHP/TQ was quite expensive and that platform is not reliable past 1200/1300WHP.

[peeej]

Originally Posted by LloydChristmas

I'm still blown away by with just downpipes and a tune we can get 600WHP out of these cars. Especially having only 3 liters of displacement.

*WARNING* Fanboy ranting below

Is the S55 the ONLY 6 cylinder that can reach those numbers with such minimal mods?

I know the GTR can hit upper 500s with FULL BOLT ONs and E85 Tune, and that's with 3.8 liters to play with.

Oh and 2JZ what??

just sold my gtr a few months ago. rode in an m4 but the pull in my gtr was still greater than the m4.

[spr]

Originally Posted by Simmadown115

S55 is one of the best M motor designs for power I have seen. I think the stock block is also well underrated, but I am on the fence on keeping the car forever for a piece of history on the last RWD M3 ever created. Sure the E92s are classics already, but I can't see how you can drive an E92 and an F8x and then claim anything besides the sound is better.

I still own both. They're totally different cars even with both being DCT and EDC fully loaded over 100k. I just took the e92 on a massive road trip. still fun. The linear power and great noise and redline are more fun in canyons. Last time I took the fully modded f80 I had a neck injury and it wasn't as fun. Now I understand the whole appeal of Aston Martins from putting the e92 back to stock ish at only 500hp and back to factory edc zcp.