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Speculation on M3/M4 mix and past M3 Production Stats
There have been a few threads from time to time wondering what the production stats of past M models has been like.
Noticed today that the wikipedia page now has a collection of 'past M models' which gives some production numbers, and thought it might be of interest to put those numbers together here in one thread: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_M#Current_Full_M_Cars So, for instance, the E9X M3 is thus: 9,606 + 68 M3 CRT (Sedan); 39,954 + 118 M3 GTS (Coupé); 16,219 (Convertible); (total: 65,965) The E46 was 85,744, meaning (as has been noted elsewhere) production was down on the previous model. Even the E36 outsold the E9X by around 6,000 cars (which I did not know). Also interesting is how many more Coupes there were than Sedans on the last one (I knew there were more, but not that much) and, for that matter, how there were more cabs than sedans last go around. I expect that historic division is why BMW expected to sell so many more M4s than M3s this time around. Have a hunch that ratio will not hold on the F8X as I think the M3 will do better, relatively, than the last Sedan did....but I guess we'll see.
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Interesting stats, thanks for posting. In my opinion, the E90 was a very weedy looking car, the E92 looked so much better. The F8x fixes that and is a return to the good looks of the E46 sedan. Therefore I agree that BMW have probably underestimated F80 sales compared to F82 due to the last gen sedan vs coupe sales #s. I hope I'm wrong though, only seen one F80 other than my own out on the roads compared to 7 F82s and I kinda like that even though it won't last.
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10-18-2014, 11:58 AM | #3 |
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Think the M3 sedan looks significantly better proportioned than the M4 which you could not say in the prior gen, which I think was hampered by the taillights. Would not be surprised to the new M3 sedan to improve upon the ratio of sedan to coupe vs prior gen.
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I agree that the F80 M3 sedan is likely to take a larger percentage of over all M3/M4 sales this generation than in the past E36 and E9x generations. However, I think that aesthetics will have very little to do with it. Instead the reasons I would cite are:
1. Economics. The car sits in a price bracket where owners will have a higher average age. As such, the typical buyer will seek more practicality whether it be to accommodate family or just fit the buyer's intentions to exhibit a more mature image. Think M5 vs. M6 appeal - similar effect begins to come into play with the M3 vs. M4 now too. 2. Familiarity. This is the first M3 sedan that follows directly on a prior generation M3 sedan. So, it has the benefit of the awareness from those who first learned that an M3 sedan exists by seeing one on the road (or just hearing about it online and so forth) over the past few years, but already had a long term car commitment purchase that would prohibit them from buying one at the time. 3. Name. The M3 name is more well known than the brand new M4 name. |
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The M3 looks so good I would not be surprised if M3 sales = M4 sales when it is all said and done.
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Correct, this is the first M3 with a sedan version offered at launch IIRC and appears to make no real compromise in weight or performance, AND costs less, AND does not appear to make an aesthetic compromise.
My guess is the sales volume will be equal and they'll keep the sedan in the entire production run.
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By the end of September, BMW built 2400 US/Canadian spec M4s and only 1250 M3s |
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2008 E90 - 2280 2008 E92 - 4145 2009 E90 - 964 2009 E92 - 2238 2010 E90 - 453 2010 E92 - 1117 2011 E90 - 2170 2011 E92 - 3905 |
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You are clearly the man when it comes to M3 production data.
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Any chance you have the 2014 data on F80 / F82 / F83? Would be curious....
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I see quite a few E9x. Have only once caught a glimpse of another F8x. E46 are fairly common.....more than E36, but many of those are likely starting to be 'retired'.
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As posted by another member, it looks like the very early hard data is showing this as well. If you look at random dealer stock it looks like there are five M4s to every one M3 on the lot. This could be for numerous reasons, but dealers obviously tend to stock what sells the fastest. Anecdotal evidence seems to be on the side of the M4 winning the sales battle as well. I could be wrong, but it seems like many more forum members have M4s over M3s. It is such a bummer too, since it is a well known fact the F80 M3 is the best looking car of three F8X cars. |
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E9xx was hampered by high gas prices and the economic crash (at least in the US).
F8xx is really the right car at the right moment and I would expect sales to surpass all previous gen 3 series based M cars. |
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While the M4 will outsell the M3, my guess is that if the production capacity is there the M3 will do better relative to the coupe this time around....because it is OBVIOUSLY so much better looking.
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