Anyone fit 19x11 up fronts before?

[Rod_knee]

Please don't flame me, but has anyone fit a 19x11 +32 up in front before? I've seen 10's with squared setup usually, but I'm looking to see if anyone has done it. Pic for reference but I have 19x9.5 +22 with a 10mm spacer.

[dr. ill]

The issue is clearing the strut. I've seen people running 18x10.5 +20 with a 5mm spacer to clear the strut (effective +15).

To run x11 your offset needs to be ~9mm

Originally Posted by NSR AJ

Here's my F80 on TE37s. More pics to come..

-18x10.5 et20 square
-285/35/18 square
-KW Clubsports
-2.5 degrees front/1.9 rear

[url=https://flic.kr/p/2joaGEs]

Originally Posted by NSR AJ

Running a 5mm in the front and it's just enough to clear the perch

[Signature Wheel BMW]

Here's Signature SV103 19x10.5 ET20 front and 19x11.5 ET44 rear. Track camber setup. Running Yoko Neova 275/30/19 and 305/30/19. Customer has Springs, some coils will not clear so keep that in mind.

There's no reason to run 11" upfront. 10.5" max unless you're going for the stretch tire hella flush look.

19x11 ET14 is what you need to clear, which will poke unless you're running -3 camber.

As a bonus, showing you our Attack Series in 19x10 ET14. JRZ coils -2.5 camber.

[Rod_knee]

Originally Posted by Signature Wheel BMW

Here's Signature SV103 19x10.5 ET20 front and 19x11.5 ET44 rear. Track camber setup. Running Yoko Neova 275/30/19 and 305/30/19. Customer has Springs, some coils will not clear so keep that in mind.

There's no reason to run 11" upfront. 10.5" max unless you're going for the stretch tire hella flush look.

19x11 ET14 is what you need to clear, which will poke unless you're running -3 camber.

As a bonus, showing you our Attack Series in 19x10 ET14. JRZ coils -2.5 camber.

Just wondering out of curiosity. a 20x10 +30 would not clear the strut correct?

[CPWINCH]

Originally Posted by Rod_knee

Just wondering out of curiosity. a 20x10 +30 would not clear the strut correct?

I don't see why it wouldn't fit. Thats not very aggressive.

Worst case you'll need a 5mm spacer but it depends what tire you are running.

Source: I ran 18x10 ET 25 with 295s on my M4. Yes, in the front.

[x.shell]

You can fit a 19x11 up front with really aggressive camber… think -3 degrees. But the real question is why? You can only go with a maximum 275 width tire on the front, unless you like massive rubbing. With a 275 width tire, a 19x10 or 19x10.5 makes more sense. Why add extra weight by going 19x11?

The M4 GT4 cars run an 18x11 front with 295 or sometimes 305 series tires. But the tires are smaller in diameter and they run massive camber settings with no fender liners. Bumping up to a 19 from 18 introduces a whole world of problems in the fitment game.

Is it possible? Yeah… but is it worth it?

[JackyStuntin]

Reggiecmah on instagram is running the gt4 wheels but he do have a lot of camber on the front

[JamesGames]

Originally Posted by CPWINCH

I don't see why it wouldn't fit. Thats not very aggressive.

Worst case you'll need a 5mm spacer but it depends what tire you are running.

Source: I ran 18x10 ET 25 with 295s on my M4. Yes, in the front.

Really depends what suspension setup as well. My KW club sport coilovers with 10'' wheels are roughly 3mm from the perch, and my ET is 18. I cannot fit more than a few credit cards into that gap between the wheel / perch.

[CPWINCH]

Originally Posted by x.shell

You can fit a 19x11 up front with really aggressive camber… think -3 degrees. But the real question is why? You can only go with a maximum 275 width tire on the front, unless you like massive rubbing. With a 275 width tire, a 19x10 or 19x10.5 makes more sense. Why add extra weight by going 19x11?

The M4 GT4 cars run an 18x11 front with 295 or sometimes 305 series tires. But the tires are smaller in diameter and they run massive camber settings with no fender liners. Bumping up to a 19 from 18 introduces a whole world of problems in the fitment game.

Is it possible? Yeah… but is it worth it?

This is incorrect.

You can run a 295 up front with ZERO rubbing. 18x10 et 15 295/30/18 R888R. Only 2.8 degrees camber. I could have easily fit a 305 up front if I really tried.

Here is 295/315 on track with no rubbing whatsoever:

IMG_6342 by Connor winchell, on Flickr

[JamesGames]

Originally Posted by CPWINCH

This is incorrect.

You can run a 295 up front with ZERO rubbing. 18x10 et 15 295/30/18 R888R. Only 2.8 degrees camber. I could have easily fit a 305 up front if I really tried.

Here is 295/315 on track with no rubbing whatsoever:

IMG_6342 by Connor winchell, on Flickr

X.Shell is explaining 19s. What aspect ratio would you run on 19s that would fit a 295 305 width tire? Your 18 inch setup works because your overall diameter is significantly shorter than stock. On 19s? You'd have to to run a 295/25/19 to match the size you ran - off the top of my head, only 1 tire come in that size that are track worthy (kumho). It's not really a feasible size is the point he was getting across. 18 inch? MUCH easier.

[x.shell]

Originally Posted by JamesGames

X.Shell is explaining 19s. What aspect ratio would you run on 19s that would fit a 295 305 width tire? Your 18 inch setup works because your overall diameter is significantly shorter than stock. On 19s? You'd have to to run a 295/25/19 to match the size you ran - off the top of my head, only 1 tire come in that size that are track worthy (kumho). It's not really a feasible size is the point he was getting across. 18 inch? MUCH easier.

Thanks for calling that out JamesGames

CPWINCH
I don't think you read my reply in full. I am referring to 19" wheels. On this platform there is more width available (depending on suspension set up) than there is diameter. On an 18" wheel, you can downsize the profile of the tire to a 30 R888R which will allow you to fit significantly more wider tires compared to a 19" set up.

[CPWINCH]

Originally Posted by JamesGames

X.Shell is explaining 19s. What aspect ratio would you run on 19s that would fit a 295 305 width tire? Your 18 inch setup works because your overall diameter is significantly shorter than stock. On 19s? You'd have to to run a 295/25/19 to match the size you ran - off the top of my head, only 1 tire come in that size that are track worthy (kumho). It's not really a feasible size is the point he was getting across. 18 inch? MUCH easier.

also have run 285/35/18 and 275/35/18 the former being bigger diameter than a 285/30/19.

fitting a 285 is very easy regardless of 18 or 19.

here is a 275/35/18 which is a 25.5 tire diameter. a 285/30/19 is only 25.7. Stock wheels are 26inch diameter. Even a 295/30/19 is smaller diameter than stock. Bigger than 275 fit fine but I wouldn't recommend it for anyone with 19s because if you cared for performance and extra grip then you should have got 18s.

IMG_4324 by Connor winchell, on Flickr

[JamesGames]

Originally Posted by CPWINCH

also have run 285/35/18 and 275/35/18 the former being bigger diameter than a 285/30/19.

fitting a 285 is very easy regardless of 18 or 19.

here is a 275/35/18 which is a 25.5 tire diameter. a 285/30/19 is only 25.7. Stock wheels are 26inch diameter. Even a 295/30/19 is smaller diameter than stock. Bigger than 275 fit fine but I wouldn't recommend it for anyone with 19s because if you cared for performance and extra grip then you should have got 18s.

My response was to YOUR response saying 19s and 295s should fit with no issue because you ran the 295 in 18s. You can have a tall aspect ratio tire but you would have to reduce width (like your 275/285 setups) OR you can go 295 / 305 but significantly reduce the aspect ratio (like GT4 cars or your 18 inch setups).

Let's make this easier and more clear cut. Tell me what 295 tire (that is available) and what aspect ratio in 19 would you run to fit on a 19x10.5/11 front wheel and what size? Fitment is EXTREMELY tight once you move up to 19/20s and that size / width.

295/30/19 with a 10'' front would be my only choice with lot of camber (no way it'll even be ok without camber kit) - but depending on the suspension OP would still have issues likely. 295/30/19 is still slightly shorter than stock, anything stock height or more in 295 is not going to fit easily. for 295/305, 18s are the money. I do not think 19x11 will fit with any 295/305 tire up front, unless you're doing lining / fender mods. Except maybe the mentioned 295/30/19, which is again, slightly shorter by a tad.

EDIT: Just to add, I ran a PS4S 275/30/20 tire on a 20x10 ET 18 setup in the front. It rubbed the inner liners on lock - reason being it was taller than stock diameter. It was clear as day if the tire was shorter the wheel wouldn't touch the liners. You ran a 275/35/18 tire without issue, also on a 10'' wheel without rubbing, and tracked it. The difference between you and I is you ran undersized diameter and I ran barely oversized diameter. By your theory I should've cleared 275s easily all day, but that wasn't the case. Hope that explains a bit better?

[x.shell]

Many things need to be considered when deciding on tight fitment including what your tolerance for what is acceptable rubbing. For the sake of not getting out of hand, I'm going to only talk about the front suspension; the rear has it's own issues.

Also, for the sake of simplicity, I'm not going to go into the different mm widths between the same size tires from different brands; they are all different sizes despite their listed numbers. For example, a PS4S tread width is usually wider than a RE71R treadwidth even though they are the same size. R888R is wider still. Check tirerack to get accurate information on treadwidth; they're pretty accurate there. For this post, I'm going to use a generic tire size that you can find on an internet tire calculator.

I'm also not going to talk about the GTS due to the different knuckle.

TYPE OF SUSPENSION MOD
If you are running OEM suspension or just lowering springs, you have a lot of options in terms of tire sizes that will fit within the wheel well. This is because the spring perch is above the tire. So in essence you can bring a wider tire more inboard and it won't touch the suspension. If you are running any kind of coilover or HAS set up, most of those kits will have a spring perch that will come in contact with the rim or tire much sooner than the OEM perch. In a nut shell, if you have OEM spring perches, your limiting factor is tire height. If you have coilover/HAS spring perches, your limiting factor is tire width.


WHEEL WELL
Just because you can bolt a wider wheel/tire on the car while it's static, doesn't mean it will clear the inner fender liners when you turn lock to lock and/or when it's fully compressed.


RIDE HEIGHT AND CAMBER
When you lower you car, it will naturally camber negatively. But even if you slam your car, the OEM strut and control arms will only give you about -1.5 degrees of camber. If you have camber plates, a -2.5 or more will do a lot in terms of tucking in a poking tire.


WHEEL WIDTH/OFFSET/STRETCH
Yes, you can run as wide of a wheel/tire as you can find with the right offset. The question is, how much poke do you want? Also to keep in mind is how much stretch the tire has on that particular wheel width. This is where the threadwidth comes in.


REAL WORLD USE
Okay great, so you got your ride height dialed in... Your wheel and tire is not poking out... Your camber is dialed in... Now use a jack to lift the rear passenger side until the wheel is off the ground. This will cause the front driver's suspension to compress fully. Now turn the wheel lock to lock. Does it touch the inner fender liner? Does it hit the outer fender? If you are clear, then you can say "I have no rubbing".

The 19" front tire that is guaranteed not to rub on all suspension and ride height set ups is a 265/35/19. If you go down a profile like 30, then you can go wider because the diameter is smaller. But going to a 285/30/19 will not work on all suspension set ups without poking out of the fender. This is why I said, "it's possible, but is it worth it?"

I've run many different 19" wheel set ups on the front: 19x9.5 +20, 19x9.5 +23, 19x9.5 +18, 19x9.5 +15.5, 19x10 +23, 19x10 +17. Coilovers were JRZ RS2 Sport. Camber settings on these wheels fluctuated between -2.4 to -2.8. I ran a 265/35/19 on everyone of those set ups. The brands were Bridgestone RE11, Bridgestone RE71R, Continental ECS, and Michellin PS4S. The tire treads did barely touch the fender liners when fully compressed and turned full lock on the more aggressive offsets, but not enough to burn through anything.

The 265/35/19 is the "baseline" if you will on this forum for a 19" front wheel. Again, going down a profile to 30 will give you more width options. A 275/30/19 will work, but make sure you get the right offset and camber to prevent it from poking out. A 285/30 will work as well, but again you will have to balance what is acceptable to you in terms of poke and camber.

I get a lot of PMs and DMs asking about square set ups. Some are asking about getting square wheels but running staggered tires. My answer is always the same. "Why?" When is changing too much of the scrub radius and geometry better just to get wider tires on the front? When is it worth it when more unsprung weight is added? If you're understeering on track, wouldn't an easier route be to adjust suspension? Each person will have to balance and decide on what is tolerable to them in order to get the fitment they desire. There are different routes to different goals. And the correct answer is "Why? Is it worth it?".

CPWINCH I get it, you have 18s and you track. 18s don't translate to 19s in terms of profile walls, wall flex, wall stretch, wall transition into treadwidth, in the real world. You're arguing about something that no one is talking about.

To OP.
So in a nutshell... if you're looking to mount a 19x11 on the front with a 295 or 305 tire, I can confidently say that you're not looking to get better track times. Because it'd be easier/cheaper/lighter to just go down to 18s. Therefore, if the 19x11 front is just for looks, then the question is how far you're willing to go to get it to work. You can do it... You will just have to be very specific in your set up and be willing to go through a world of hurt to get it to work flawlessly.

[x.shell]

Originally Posted by Rod_knee

Just wondering out of curiosity. a 20x10 +30 would not clear the strut correct?

To answer this question specifically, yes. It will hit the strut; as in the spring perch. With a 20x10, you will need an offset of about +23.

Even if you could fit a 20x10 +30 without hitting anything, it would look sunken in.

That Signature Attack Series that Jimmy posted is not a 19x10 +14, it's actually a 20x10 +14.