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View Poll Results: S65 option or S55 standart ? | |||
YES ... I would choose the S65 if an option at this price would be availiable | 93 | 45.81% | |
NO ... I would choose the standart S55 engine | 110 | 54.19% | |
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12-29-2013, 11:28 AM | #375 | |
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12-29-2013, 11:32 AM | #376 | |
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my point was IF the car revs that high USUALLY is a higher end car! if your car doesn't rev that high it CAN still very well be a high end car. got it? |
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12-29-2013, 11:36 AM | #377 |
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One moment we're on a forum, the next we're in court where lawyers get our asses smacked or whatever.
Ezio good luck with your superfabulous excellent E92 M3 and its out of this world hyperexotic S65. You're worth it. Cheers Robin |
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12-29-2013, 11:41 AM | #378 | |
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And with as many non-high end cars that can reach 8K+, your argument doesn't really mean much. So an engine can go over 8K. That can be a Mazda, Honda, or a Ferrari. |
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You know, I haven't decided. I was leaning towards Silverstone. But those pictures have been unflattering. I don't want to get white again, even though Mineral White looks good. I actually think YMB looks pretty stunning.
Fortunately, I'm not getting the car for another 2 years (thank you BMW military buyer program) so I have time. This forum will be flooded by the end of next year with photos. |
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12-29-2013, 03:14 PM | #387 |
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Gents, Ladies, Mods - I've read through about 8 pages of stuff that has nothing to do with any sort of comparison or evaluation of the s55 against the s65.
It's time to stop. |
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12-31-2013, 06:47 AM | #388 | |
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You have not grasped the concept of fact. Secondly, u keep repeating yourself, trying to educate me, when in fact I could sit down with you and discuss this in earnest with a heavy hand. I am simply done with internet wars waged by overlords on forums. Thirdly, I edited my post moments after posting, and as such, you didn't seem to notice.... ... and proceeded to make your entire post about your 2 cars. Which makes your threadcrapping even more funny. Missed, or intentional Your tactic is easily repeated & I could do the same thing your doing (crapping) and introduce an fake argument about diesel throttle reponse vs gasoline and skew what you are saying, just to play with you and thread-crap too, but instead I will shut you up with some facts. Your analogy with the rpms & two cars is a lie. You assume that each mm of pedal travel equals the same for each car. You are basing your whole argument on a falsehood and trying to get a bunch of engineers to accept such a folly. Stop it. The numbers and gearing at those RPM don't even add up... they are a lie. Stop it. 10% of throttle is just that... nothing more, nothing less. Problem is, you do not understand what 10% throttle is on a car with 8,999rpms... and one with 5,200rpms. That alone^ dismissed anything you've ever said and rebuttals any throttle point you try to make. More surface area per revolution, means more modulation of that surface area. Don't argue with math, accept it. Your personal opinion doesn't outweigh the fact that high revving engine have more modulation available to them, thus easier to modulate. If you can't tell, or feel.. then accept that, don't rewrite history because your on a crusade. |
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12-31-2013, 07:05 AM | #389 | |
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You ARE funny YOU was the one that brought up the idea that pedal travel was equal between cars whereas I have tried to explain to you that it isn't... I have used YOUR premise on equal pedal travel just to point out how that works out... I have in fact explained to you that 1mm of pedal travel does NOT equal the same throttle opening!!! Gearing and RPM was just taking your point and illustrating how that works out in a theoretical example. Care to explain how it doesn't add up? Happy New Year Last edited by Boss330; 12-31-2013 at 07:14 AM.. |
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12-31-2013, 07:10 AM | #390 |
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That is a proper response from an someone (adolescent) who doesn't know how to accept responsibility for their own lies.. edit: Once again, you are fibbing. I never said any of those things, perhaps you meant to quote/argue with someone else? As I don't need to speak about throttle openings, to deal with mechanical gearing and modulation of SFM. You did... and you still need that concept to illustrate modulation, because u cannot understand torque and gearing and ratios of gears. Which are all FACTS. You didn't explain anything to me, because I didn't ask those questions. You seem to pose your own questions, then rhetorically answer them..? Very weird. I agree Happy New Year.. Last edited by w3rkn; 12-31-2013 at 07:45 AM.. |
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So you never said that all cars had the same pedal travel? Or about the 1mm of pedal travel? And you don't need to speak about throttle opening? Then please explain what you do in the quoted posts from you below Quote:
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And if you are talking about throttle valve modulation (and not throttle pedal modulation as a result of the ratio between throttle pedal input and throttle valve opening), then: On a std throttle valve there is slightly less than 90degrees of travel, agree? Then from idle to redline you have, say 85 degree of throttle valve movement available, right? On a engine with a broad rev range each rpm increase represents a certain degree of throttle valve opening. The broader the rev range the smaller the degree of change on throttle valve opening is needed to increase rpm compared to a low rev range engine. On a 8500rpm engine, each degree of throttle opening represents a 100rpm change (8500rpm/85degree = 100) On a 6000rpm engine, each degree of throttle opening represents a 70rpm change (6000rpm/85degree = 70) On a 5000rpm engine, each degree of throttle opening represents a 59rpm change (5000rpm/85degree = 59) So on a high rpm engine engine each degree of throttle valve change represents a larger change in engine rpm, which as you said, is somewhat offset by shorter gearing. Meaning that the change in vehicle velocity might not be different even though the change in engine rpm is different. But not sure how a 1 degree throttle change that represents a 100rpm change is easier to modulate than a 1 degree change that represents 70 or 59rpm? What am I missing in your argument? |
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12-31-2013, 10:46 AM | #393 |
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Come on Boss, let it go
Ik zit al aan het bier, veel belangrijker lol. My wife doesn't want me around in the kitchen so...lonely drinking... HNY everybody Cheers Robin |
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