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      06-15-2017, 09:40 AM   #89
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get a regular with 18's spend the extra money on Akrapovic exhaust and lowering it! IMO the best look on f80 m3 is with 18's and lowered

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      06-15-2017, 10:53 AM   #90
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get a regular with 18's spend the extra money on Akrapovic exhaust and lowering it! IMO the best look on f80 m3 is with 18's and lowered

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sorry to break ur heart but the 18's looks bad with the M3/M4 I would say 19 or 20 Inches fits its better
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      06-15-2017, 01:27 PM   #91
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20s or bust - 19s look a bit small IMO (this does not speak to performance, only aesthetics).
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      06-15-2017, 05:42 PM   #92
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Doesn't this get boring guys???

It's the SAME car!

I'll go over this one more time for the OP

Camp #1: ZCP transforms the car, it's a NEW car, OMG I traded my 15' non ZCP and lost thousands of dollars because I had to have the latest and greatest, love the Satan wheels, love the burbles, the ride on 20s is fine. Best $5000 if spent in my entire life.

Camp #2: I can't tell a shit of a difference in ride/handling quality, HATE the wheels (even in person), HATE the seats without lumbar support, seat belts belong on a lime green Mitsu Evo. Waste of $5000.

EVERYONE justifies.

It's a personal preference OP

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      06-17-2017, 01:17 AM   #93
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Doesn't this get boring guys???

It's the SAME car!

I'll go over this one more time for the OP

Camp #1: ZCP transforms the car, it's a NEW car, OMG I traded my 15' non ZCP and lost thousands of dollars because I had to have the latest and greatest, love the Satan wheels, love the burbles, the ride on 20s is fine. Best $5000 if spent in my entire life.

Camp #2: I can't tell a shit of a difference in ride/handling quality, HATE the wheels (even in person), HATE the seats without lumbar support, seat belts belong on a lime green Mitsu Evo. Waste of $5000.

EVERYONE justifies.

It's a personal preference OP

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Im sorta with this guy... pretty individual decision.. I don't have an F8x yet.. but after reading a lot about the ZCP.. and seeing it in person.. I don't think I want it.. I plan to get the M Performance HAS to get a drop to go with the adjustable dampers as designed by BMW.. the latest firmware as will be offered with the 2018's seems to have the differential and DSC related changes built in.. I don't like the ZCP wheels or the seats or the blacked out bits.. so I'm gonna buy without the ZCP!

Only thing I really value about the ZCP is the exhaust.. a flash upgrade can get me the burbles/crackles .. and gets me a lot more hp and torque for less..

Honestly, end of the day, it's up to you want and what you are willing to modify to get what you want!

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      06-17-2017, 12:05 PM   #94
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Im sorta with this guy... pretty individual decision.. I don't have an F8x yet.. but after reading a lot about the ZCP.. and seeing it in person.. I don't think I want it.. I plan to get the M Performance HAS to get a drop to go with the adjustable dampers as designed by BMW.. the latest firmware as will be offered with the 2018's seems to have the differential and DSC related changes built in.. I don't like the ZCP wheels or the seats or the blacked out bits.. so I'm gonna buy without the ZCP!

Only thing I really value about the ZCP is the exhaust.. a flash upgrade can get me the burbles/crackles .. and gets me a lot more hp and torque for less..

Honestly, end of the day, it's up to you want and what you are willing to modify to get what you want!
In other words, if you don't like anything the ZCP offers then the ZCP isn't worth it!

Thanks for clarifying

I will agree though, if you aren't going to get the ZCP wheels it's probably not worth it even if you want the other stuff. I think that's what puts it over the threshold for value acceptance.
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Doesn't this get boring guys???

It's the SAME car!

I'll go over this one more time for the OP

Camp #1: ZCP transforms the car, it's a NEW car, OMG I traded my 15' non ZCP and lost thousands of dollars because I had to have the latest and greatest, love the Satan wheels, love the burbles, the ride on 20s is fine. Best $5000 if spent in my entire life.

Camp #2: I can't tell a shit of a difference in ride/handling quality, HATE the wheels (even in person), HATE the seats without lumbar support, seat belts belong on a lime green Mitsu Evo. Waste of $5000.

EVERYONE justifies.

It's a personal preference OP

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BMW tuned the adjustments it added in the ZCP, so each feature made more performance than the sum of the parts. Aftermarket bolt ons and different tunes will not easily reach the reliability and performance of the ZCP package.

As a note, racing teams use nearly identical hardware in some series and yet competition is won in their tuning of their car. The ZCP is a tuned package. Hence a quality upgrade.
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I've driven both and honestly I couldn't tell the difference besides the louder exhaust and the cosmetic upgrades. Having zcp definitely helps with the resale as well and with the noticeable differences you get with zcp on the f8x vs e9x, I'd say it's definitely a good choice.
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      06-19-2017, 04:24 PM   #97
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I liked pretty much everything the package had to offer, so it was pretty easy for me. Some people don't seem to like some aspects about it, so they are probably better off not getting it. I sometimes wish the car was actually a little more hardcore than it is, so I think if I didn't get the comp package, I would feel I am missing out.
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I test drove a ZCP car and the handling was much better; more planted, more progressive approaching the limit, less nose dive and body role ... to me it was an obvious difference and significant improvement. Hence, I got one.

The ride is definitely less forgiving, though.
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Where I come from, if ZCP is offered, you never buy an M car without it. It's just wasteful to skip it.
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Where I come from, if ZCP is offered, you never buy an M car without it. It's just wasteful to skip it.
Many could say the exact opposite.
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I test drove a ZCP car and the handling was much better; more planted, more progressive approaching the limit, less nose dive and body role ... to me it was an obvious difference and significant improvement. Hence, I got one.

The ride is definitely less forgiving, though.
Just curious, what are you comparing to?
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Where I come from, if ZCP is offered, you never buy an M car without it. It's just wasteful to skip it.
Many could say the exact opposite.
+1. I was thinking the same thing
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test drove both and didnt notice a difference at all other than louder exhaust, but IMO (and my wifes) the stock M3 is already loud enough. didnt like the wheels. i will never track the car so it was the easiest $5k saved
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if you can afford it, there is no doubt ZCP is better. As many car review articles or videos that agreed this. to get a full M3 experience. But if you just use to commute, you might hardly notice the difference besides the exhaust tone.
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I test drove a ZCP car and the handling was much better; more planted, more progressive approaching the limit, less nose dive and body role ... to me it was an obvious difference and significant improvement. Hence, I got one.

The ride is definitely less forgiving, though.
Just curious, what are you comparing to?
I was comparing to my non-ZCP F82.
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if you can afford it, there is no doubt ZCP is better. As many car review articles or videos that agreed this. to get a full M3 experience. But if you just use to commute, you might hardly notice the difference besides the exhaust tone.
i dont agree. it really depends on how you are using the car. for me, the ZCP would not have been any better. I park backwards in my garage, so when i leave in the morning it is already too loud; with the zcp the whole house would shake. i use my car for daily driving and no tracking. so for me, the zcp would have added no benefit. for those that live in areas with bad traffic and streets (NYC, michigan, etc), the 20 inch wheels and stiffer suspension would be a detriment. so better is a subjective term. better at the track? yes. better as a daily driver? IMO, no. people are just obsessed with having the latest and greatest
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      06-21-2017, 08:01 AM   #107
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I was comparing to my non-ZCP F82.
What model year? I ask because I'm trying to see if there are truly noticeable differences between the late model non-zcp 2016 F8x and the zcp F8x.
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What model year? I ask because I'm trying to see if there are truly noticeable differences between the late model non-zcp 2016 F8x and the zcp F8x.
2015.

Were there any relevant differences between 2015 and 2016?

In any case, you've gotta be dead or in denial if you can't appreciate a huge handling difference between the ZCP and non-ZCP (2015 at least) cars. Every automotive journalist review of the ZCP car I've read acknowledges that.
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I was comparing to my non-ZCP F82.
What model year? I ask because I'm trying to see if there are truly noticeable differences between the late model non-zcp 2016 F8x and the zcp F8x.
Honestly that doesn't matter anymore. Most 2015 cars now have the 58.x I-step update which improved the handling and DSC remarkably.

I'm also on the M performance HAS. I've driven the ZCP and the overrun burble is nice but is not enough of a reason to spend another $5k since my handling is now on par with a ZCP. The wheels are nice but I'm fine with my 19" wheels. Tracking in 20" wheels is almost a non starter and most people who regularly track these cars get a set of 18" track wheels.

What does all that mean, it depends on what you are looking for out of the car.
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Honestly that doesn't matter anymore. Most 2015 cars now have the 58.x I-step update which improved the handling and DSC remarkably.

I'm also on the M performance HAS. I've driven the ZCP and the overrun burble is nice but is not enough of a reason to spend another $5k since my handling is now on par with a ZCP. The wheels are nice but I'm fine with my 19" wheels. Tracking in 20" wheels is almost a non starter and most people who regularly track these cars get a set of 18" track wheels.

What does all that mean, it depends on what you are looking for out of the car.
Weren't there some hardware differences in the 2016 as well? I know they updated the bedplate, but didn't some of suspension components get updated?

I could be wrong.
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