CSs won't hold value/be desirable over time because of DCT - do you agree?

[golfbrah]

...but they are so pretty

[fiveohwblow]

I do not. The amount of appreciation for dct has grown past the misplaced disgust for smg and most do not see it as less than. The balance is truly as it should be where manual enthusiasts are just that, and dct is a worthy alternative.

[aBMWfan]

Disagree

[scoale]

Originally Posted by golfbrah

...but they are so pretty

I don't see DCT hurting resell - especially since the manual does not bring out the best in this engine. I do, however, think the long term view of the F80 platform is still an open question. Right now, there are two CS in CA selling for ~70k - which is not much more than a comparable year/mileage comp pack.

My own view is that the CS is more of an improved competition package than a CS. It is what the competition package should have been. I drove a CS yesterday and observed that the car is not appreciably lighter and is certainly not edgier - but the suspension and steering tuning is much better. The increased power/changed engine mapping is best observed through the speedo. The power delivery is more linear so you really don't feel it - but it is there on the speedo. By contrast, my 2016 with passive suspension a) accelerates like a dog trying to get off of the chain when in sport mode and b) rides like a covered wagon compared to CS.

[clutchdj]

Disagree. F80 is easy on the eyes. All drivers car. No extra weight, built for the track while family friendly. It will be respected regardless. DCT the last gearbox closet to a Manual without 3 pedals and I’m a manual guy. Part of my reasoning is b/c the G80 is such a visual eyesore.

[Darkmann]

Disagree.

[IB M]

Also Disagree - it is the last and best iteration of the DCT and makes for a well integrated package.

Of course cars depreciate when new but Id bet that all well kept F80s will hold better resale relative to the more expensive M5s or the new larger/heavier G80.

[Humdizzle]

agree.

it will follow the same depreciation curves as the other models. it was never a sought after car. many people just moved to the CS because the lease was the same as a comp or even less sometimes just so bmw could move the unit off the lot.

it is rare though. so it will always command a small % increase over the comps and base models, but nothing crazy.

[MisterF80M3]

I thought CS is already depreciating significantly more than ZCP/base F80. Has to be with the fact that it starts at 100k. BMW was also giving massive discounts on them.

[maddmatth]

DCT doesn't have the hate of the old slow autos or the problematic jerky SMG reputation.
It's also proven to be an extremely reliable transmission. It's been around for well over a decade and we still barely hear of issues with it.

[Slowphiveo]

Disagree because in a few years no one will know how to drive a manual trans car. It will tantamount to the old unsynchronized manual transmissions. Even most manual transmission people would have a major issue driving one today. The same will be the fate of the modern manual transmission eventually. Anyone can put a car in drive and pull paddles. Just my .02

[RoundelM3]

Disagree. I like my DCT.

[CanAutM3]

DCT is in fact a fantastic transmission. There's a reason why all high end sports/super/hyper cars use DCT, it is because there's nothing than can match it performance wise. We were essentially lucky that BMW offered it on the E9X/F1X/F8X ///M cars. Those days are now gone with BMW foregoing the DCT for the more ordinary 8AT. If anything, the DCT makes the CS MORE desirable going into the future.

[m3elmo]

I agree. Manual cars hold their values better in 10+ years. those in the future that desire an f80 likely want a manual which is more rare in f80 being 15% world wide. you can easily code or upgrade a comp to cs spec AND have a manual. the reverse can't happen.

the same has happened with the e90 and e46 and porsches etc. older cars with pdk are less desirable than those in 6 -speed.

this is not a knock on the excellent dct. it's not a question of which transmission is better but if the CS being DCt hurts it's values


if they made the e46 csl in manual.....
or the ferrari scud in manual.... dude .. lol

[Boostin FD]

Same could be said for GTS then... time will tell.

[Tommy L Garage]

I agree

[Soul Coughing]

I know that when I was looking for an F80, it had to have a manual. Not that I would have been able to afford a 100k M3 anyway, but for me personally, the CS wasn't even an option due to the transmission. I am in the minority though as I enjoy the extra work that a manual transmission brings to the driving experience - even if I'm slower than the equivalent automatic transmission. However, I know that a lot of people love the DCT, and say that it lends itself to the 'character' of the engine much better than the manual. Once this generation M3/M4 is no longer used as a daily driver (out of warranty), or the 'value' track weapon, the enthusiasts and collectors will pick them up as weekend cars that they can enjoy sparingly. In 15-20 years, I'm sure a clean, low mile, CS will sell for big money on BAT or whatever is the future auction site, but I'm also sure that enthusiasts will be looking for low mileage 6 speed F80's as well.

[W///]

Agree, but kind of.

Personally, I would rule it out automatically due to lack of 3 pedals. I have the rest of my life to drive 2 pedal cars when the manuals are extinct.

I think the manuals would have helped a little bit, but that's not the only reason. CS' in general won't be a huge appreciating asset like a CSL or GTS, just because they aren't as limited or special.

So they'll continue to depreciate and even out just like any other M car. Then eventually they'll all get beat up and the clean ones will start going for a premium (like the E46 M3 and E39 m5 are doing currently).

[kyrix1st]

DCT over ZF8 everyday. As much as I adore and drive manuals, BMW MTs are long-throw and therefore slow.

[Maitre_Absolut]

Originally Posted by Humdizzle

agree.

it will follow the same depreciation curves as the other models. it was never a sought after car. many people just moved to the CS because the lease was the same as a comp or even less sometimes just so bmw could move the unit off the lot.

it is rare though. so it will always command a small % increase over the comps and base models, but nothing crazy.

I dont believe that hype at launch is an indicator of future value. Pretty sure the 2004 CSL sat at dealers and was not well received. Just look at it now.

[Adcampo]

I disagree too. Most limited edition M cars do well in the long run. Look at E46 and E92's comp packs. They're appreciating quickly. With 6MT being a bit more desirable.

If I didn't really want a 6MT, I would have gotten a CS in a minute. Guaranteed to do well.

[ellipsis212]

Don't treat it like it's an E46 with SMG