Anyone else get banned from the G8X section for making fun of its looks?

[FlyingLow78]

Looking at these images, I can see where the Hoffmeister kink went. It's now on the inboard edge of the headlights. Whereas the F8X headlights met the kidney to form a cohesive unit across the front, the G8X has a painted area between the headlight and stupid grille. It gives me the impression that the headlights are too small.

The first image, besides being a complete dumpster fire, is a great example of how well a flat black color helps hide the chaotic lines. Anything else is just drawing attention to the mess. The lines are just going in too many directions.

[jmg]

Originally Posted by stein_325i

Audi does options the worst in my opinion. I'm not sure if they still do it, but to get ACC in any car usually you are required to option the most expensive trim/package which leads to a huge jump in price, and then most dealers option the trim just below that without ACC.

Which is completely asinine. Subaru includes ACC standard in all trim levels. A $30k Subie has more tech than a $60k Audi/BMW/Mercedes. You won't believe how hard it was to find an i3 with the tech package for ACC. 80% of the inventory didn't have it. It should be standard in all trim levels in this day and age... like regular cruise control.

[doug_999]

Originally Posted by MFNATIK

A buddy of mine who had a Fire Orange F80 finally saw the G8X pics. His reaction is consistent with the majority of car people

I do agree. Never liked the regular colors on the F8x (I mean seriously no red or real blue?). The addition of the individual colors at $1,900 (or was it $1,800?) were a start but seriously the G8x has a much better color palette (to me).

[GrussGott]

Originally Posted by drroc

In NA people like packages because it just saves the hassle of going over all of the small individual options. Granted, some package options can be annoying that require paying quite a bit for just a single thing that you want out of the entire package.

That's the key point:

* Volume sellers need packages because the buyers aren't interested enough in the cars - they just want the car with the stuff. Since profits depend on volumes which depend on throughput, all friction needs to be eliminated.

* Quality / Brand Strength sellers need choices because they get relatively larger margins off of each highly engaged customer. Customers not only WANT to pick options, but somewhat demand to. If the seller doesn't offer it, they'll immediately go aftermarket.

So if you're a manufacturer who sells a high-margin product AND can figure out how configure each core unit to a customer's preferences, then you can get ever escalating margins.

[GrussGott]

Originally Posted by jmg

Which is completely asinine. Subaru includes ACC standard in all trim levels. A $30k Subie has more tech than a $60k Audi/BMW/Mercedes. You won't believe how hard it was to find an i3 with the tech package for ACC. 80% of the inventory didn't have it. It should be standard in all trim levels in this day and age... like regular cruise control.

Maybe a hot take but I'd prefer it otherwise for "premium" mass market vehicles like BMW, Benz, Audi, etc.

Yes, mid mass market subies should have these standard features because, as in my other post, volume sales. Everything is mediocre and you know it so who cares?

Premium mass market should make these bing-bongs optional both for choice and also to get a higher quality chassis: options increase margins which hopefully increases quality (customers walk otherwise). Configuration becomes how many creature-comforts the customer wants to pay to get back into a premium chassis. i.e., "you can drive your subie with cruise or your macan and move your foot". I'm all for putting the margin into the options.

Up in the ultra market (which isn't mass market of course) like Bentley, Aston, Rolls, etc then all bing-bongs should be standard again and configuration becomes mostly about the interior.

[Arcades]

Originally Posted by swagon

I like to select my options too, but Porsche is taking it too far with some stuff that really should've been standard in 2021.

Looking at BMW USA website, they make you pay extra 4k if you just want one of the options from the package because there's no other way, like adaptive LEDs or better audio.

Porsche's strategy is the same in America as in Germany, but Audi, BMW and MB offer options in packages mostly, which is different than in Germany and most of Europe.

I agree with this although it is a bit of a love and hate kind of thing.

I love the fact that I can have the car exactly the way I want it. However, I despise the fact that Porsche charges you hardcore for it. A lot of stuff that should be options but not really, are at times, thing you don't really end up needing. It sounds odd but trust me, when you get into a car, half of the time unless you are using it all the time, you would forget about it. Not to mention, I believe Porsche has once again up the price on PTS cars. Those of you who don't know that lingo, it means paint to sample, Porsche's version of BMW Individual Program. Although, for whatever reason, unlike BMW, Porsche requires an actual allocation for it. Meaning, unlike BMW (which you can turn most open allocation orders into an individual order if accepted), Porsche requires an actual PTS allocation for it, then they have to accept it. Much more of a headache.

Porsche also does offer packages just not on certain cars. Most of the time, the packages can be are rather outrageous in price as well. For example, some packages that are offered on the Cayenne GTS/Turbo can cost you north of 30k in North America.

So, in conclusion, I do kind of agree with the selectness of Porsche and the way you can have the car built. It's just the fact that everyone knows they charge you up the wazoo for it, is a bit of a problem for some.

If I remember correctly, someone did post that Porsche's profit margin is one of the higher ones due to... well the options Though Andreas Preuninger mentioned some of their GT cars have the lowest profit margins but they don't seem to mind.

[jmg]

Originally Posted by GrussGott

Maybe a hot take but I'd prefer it otherwise for "premium" mass market vehicles like BMW, Benz, Audi, etc.

Yes, mid mass market subies should have these standard features because, as in my other post, volume sales. Everything is mediocre and you know it so who cares?

Premium mass market should make these bing-bongs optional both for choice and also to get a higher quality chassis: options increase margins which hopefully increases quality (customers walk otherwise). Configuration becomes how many creature-comforts the customer wants to pay to get back into a premium chassis. i.e., "you can drive your subie with cruise or your macan and move your foot". I'm all for putting the margin into the options.

Up in the ultra market (which isn't mass market of course) like Bentley, Aston, Rolls, etc then all bing-bongs should be standard again and configuration becomes mostly about the interior.

In the interim I think that's fine, especially for what we would consider "drivers" vehicles like Porsches, exotics, "sports" cars etc and even M cars. In fact I would say it should perhaps never be standard in those like you said-I for one would not want nor desire it in my M cars. However for "street" cars I think it should be as standard as ABS or Bluetooth connectivity is now. Sure, it's not a universally accepted safety feature that saves countless lives, but honestly I can't drive a daily without it with traffic nowadays. Like another poster stated, certain manufacturers will just place a premium on it where it is sometimes difficult to find inventory with ACC optioned without paying for other unnecessary options.

Perhaps the problem simply lies with the distribution and sales models we live with. Custom spec'ed cars tend to not be discounted as much or take time to build per order and dealers have inventory to move in the meantime, competing for space in the market. The only way it will be standard is if more people demand it. In the case of Subaru, I think they are doing it right by having it standard in their vehicles, although I don't know if the WRX or BRZ come standard honestly. If not, then that lines up with your points.

[stein_325i]

Another fail for the 4-series... not surprised at all.

[F32Fleet]

Originally Posted by stein_325i

Another fail for the 4-series... not surprised at all.

Seems silly to suggest that the 4-series was a compact sports coupe. There's nothing compact about it.

I really wish they had went with a grill which was narrower and more rounded but even that may have looked silly because of the required center placement of the front plates.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by jmg

Which is completely asinine. Subaru includes ACC standard in all trim levels. A $30k Subie has more tech than a $60k Audi/BMW/Mercedes. You won't believe how hard it was to find an i3 with the tech package for ACC. 80% of the inventory didn't have it. It should be standard in all trim levels in this day and age... like regular cruise control.

For my part, I am quite happy that ACC is optional. I could care less for the feature I am glad not to have to carry the extra weight and unsightly sensor/radar on the front facia.

What sucks is being forced into a package to order ACC, where you are stuck ordering other items you don't necessarily want.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by F32Fleet

Seems silly to suggest that the 4-series was a compact sports coupe. There's nothing compact about it.

Indeed, the 4-series now has longer wheelbase than the 8-series

[minn19]

Originally Posted by Arcades

I agree with this although it is a bit of a love and hate kind of thing.

I love the fact that I can have the car exactly the way I want it. However, I despise the fact that Porsche charges you hardcore for it. A lot of stuff that should be options but not really, are at times, thing you don't really end up needing. It sounds odd but trust me, when you get into a car, half of the time unless you are using it all the time, you would forget about it. Not to mention, I believe Porsche has once again up the price on PTS cars. Those of you who don't know that lingo, it means paint to sample, Porsche's version of BMW Individual Program. Although, for whatever reason, unlike BMW, Porsche requires an actual allocation for it. Meaning, unlike BMW (which you can turn most open allocation orders into an individual order if accepted), Porsche requires an actual PTS allocation for it, then they have to accept it. Much more of a headache.

Porsche also does offer packages just not on certain cars. Most of the time, the packages can be are rather outrageous in price as well. For example, some packages that are offered on the Cayenne GTS/Turbo can cost you north of 30k in North America.

So, in conclusion, I do kind of agree with the selectness of Porsche and the way you can have the car built. It's just the fact that everyone knows they charge you up the wazoo for it, is a bit of a problem for some.

If I remember correctly, someone did post that Porsche's profit margin is one of the higher ones due to... well the options Though Andreas Preuninger mentioned some of their GT cars have the lowest profit margins but they don't seem to mind.

Agreed, with pretty much all of this. I was pleasantly surprised the Premium Package ( Adaptive LEDs, Upgraded Bose, their version of CA, Heated Steering Wheel, interior lighting etc) on my Cayman came with pretty much everything I would've ordered for a reasonable $3600 IMO.

[Tecnniqe]

Originally Posted by stein_325i

Another fail for the 4-series... not surprised at all.

[secretanchitman]

I was just thinking about this on the way to work, could I list 5 positives for this car?

-6MT/RWD still available
-Ventilated seats and other niceties are available as options
-Interior has been refined
-Exhaust sounds better? (can't tell through YouTube videos)

Can't think of much else...

[FlyingLow78]

Originally Posted by secretanchitman

I was just thinking about this on the way to work, could I list 5 positives for this car?

-6MT/RWD still available
-Ventilated seats and other niceties are available as options
-Interior has been refined
-Exhaust sounds better? (can't tell through YouTube videos)

Can't think of much else...

More power? But maximum output only if you opt for AWD.

Episode five of this dumpster fire of a marketing campaign is up. It’s 3:14 of talk about wheels - in the dark! BMW’s marketing team chose the darkest spot in the studio to shoot this part, so the wheels can barely be seen. The good news is that all of the designs are forged again. For the lightest wheel that has been ruined with yellow paint inside the spokes, they don’t even talk about how much weight was saved.

[RugbyBro]

Originally Posted by FlyingLow78

More power? But maximum output only if you opt for AWD.

Episode five of this dumpster fire of a marketing campaign is up. It’s 3:14 of talk about wheels - in the dark! BMW’s marketing team chose the darkest spot in the studio to shoot this part, so the wheels can barely be seen. The good news is that all of the designs are forged again. For the lightest wheel that has been ruined with yellow paint inside the spokes, they don’t even talk about how much weight was saved.

The best looking wheel in that whole video is the current GT4 wheel that they close out with

[secretanchitman]

Originally Posted by FlyingLow78

More power? But maximum output only if you opt for AWD.

Episode five of this dumpster fire of a marketing campaign is up. It’s 3:14 of talk about wheels - in the dark! BMW’s marketing team chose the darkest spot in the studio to shoot this part, so the wheels can barely be seen. The good news is that all of the designs are forged again. For the lightest wheel that has been ruined with yellow paint inside the spokes, they don’t even talk about how much weight was saved.

Okay the wheels aren't that bad so I guess that can be #5.

[FlyingLow78]

BMW marketing getting snarky in the video comments.

[MFNATIK]

Originally Posted by FlyingLow78

BMW marketing getting snarky in the video comments.

I think they're oblivious or maybe they're trying dry German humor with us lol

[Sassicaia]

Originally Posted by GrussGott

The key phrase is "repeating your negative opinions" meaning only repeated positive G8x opinions are allowed in the G8x forum, but repeated negative opinions will not only be removed, those members will be permanently banned from the forum!

That makes sense if the G8x forum is curating posts AND MEMBERS so as to present a majority positive view of broad member opinion.

But maybe there's another explanation not yet stated?

There is no good reason not to allow negative opinions. Canceling them creates a fake and inaccurate discussion and response. If people only wanted positive views on cars they would only watch commercials vs frequent forums.

I log in and post a LOT less on this forum. It's become an eco chamber and is simply not accurate.

BMW and this forum should WANT the feedback from the market, so they can adjust accordingly. Canceling, censoring and editing opinions is dead last.

Comes down to this for me:

Banning for someone attacking a poster = OK

Banning for attacking and inanimate object = WTF?

[MFNATIK]

Originally Posted by FlyingLow78

More power? But maximum output only if you opt for AWD.

Episode five of this dumpster fire of a marketing campaign is up. It’s 3:14 of talk about wheels - in the dark! BMW’s marketing team chose the darkest spot in the studio to shoot this part, so the wheels can barely be seen. The good news is that all of the designs are forged again. For the lightest wheel that has been ruined with yellow paint inside the spokes, they don’t even talk about how much weight was saved.

Well, the take away is BMW M peaked with the F80. It's downhill from here fellas!

The visual differences from each wheel is very subtle, especially between the standard to comp. They should have made a 5 spoke option as it's been customary with bmw to have a decent 5 spoke option.

[jrkal2]

Personally, I cannot stand the staggered wheel sizes F/R on the car. Simply can't unsee and it just looks goofy on an already goofy looking vehicle.

Also while interior is nice... the whole screens for everything trend is no bueno. F8x had it right with a nice combo of digital and analog.