Anyone else get banned from the G8X section for making fun of its looks?

[minn19]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

So you're saying they should have offered the CS without the single zone climate HVAC and the standard center console? Sure they could, but that would increase the production/distribution complexity on a relatively low volume car and increase cost further. Option choices were rather limited on the CS. BMW-NA did overprice the CS in the US, not BMW AG who produces the cars.

The M3cs was an afterthought really, rushed at the last minute, particularly aimed at the US market. Minimal investment was the goal IMO.

That's right, I totally forgot about the single zone climate etc. Your right as usual. They still could've offered it.

The reilly weird thing is I remember how much better the standard stereo sounded in the M4 CS over the HK. That I never could figure out.

[jmg]

Originally Posted by minn19

That's right, I totally forgot about the single zone climate etc. Your right as usual. They still could've offered it.

The reilly weird thing is I remember how much better the standard stereo sounded in the M4 CS over the HK. That I never could figure out.

Sound is subjective. I find all those bass heavy systems aimed at future tinnitus sufferers horrible sounding and excessive.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by minn19

That's right, I totally forgot about the single zone climate etc. Your right as usual. They still could've offered it.

The reilly weird thing is I remember how much better the standard stereo sounded in the M4 CS over the HK. That I never could figure out.

From what I gather, the CS ended up with a hybrid sound system similar to the HK in the F83 convertible, with the digital amp but with less speakers. So not quite as good as the full HK in the coupe and sedan, but better than the mid range Hi-Fi and base systems. Interestingly, the fact that the speakers are hidden behind the lightweight door cards seems to enhance the sound.

[doug_999]

So back on topic...

I did reach out to a moderator on BP and asked about the issue of being banned on the G8x board.

He pointed out that a sticky post had been made
https://g80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1745573
which says
"This is a warning to anyone who's in this section to troll, incite or soapbox (repeating your negative opinions over and over). If your posting pattern/history shows such behavior, you will be removed from the section and/or site, and with no warning/infraction."

Per that, if the moderators felt that you were repeating your negative opinions over and over, you are out - no warning, no notice.

I personally did not know about this - and it kind of makes sense (as a plausible explanation for what happened)

BUT - regardless, I love this thread - so thank you MFNATIK for starting this thread - I feel like anything goes (subject wise) and it is fun.

[stein_325i]

According to BMWBlog.

Originally Posted by BMWBlog

Press drives are just a few weeks away so a lot more reviews and videos will be live in March.

Incredibly poor roll out of such an important model.

[GrussGott]

Originally Posted by doug_999

if the moderators felt that you were repeating your negative opinions over and over, you are out - no warning, no notice.

I personally did not know about this - and it kind of makes sense (as a plausible explanation for what happened)

The key phrase is "repeating your negative opinions" meaning only repeated positive G8x opinions are allowed in the G8x forum, but repeated negative opinions will not only be removed, those members will be permanently banned from the forum!

That makes sense if the G8x forum is curating posts AND MEMBERS so as to present a majority positive view of broad member opinion.

But maybe there's another explanation not yet stated?

[MFNATIK]

Originally Posted by GrussGott

The key phrase is "repeating your negative opinions" meaning only repeated positive G8x opinions are allowed in the G8x forum, but repeated negative opinions will not only be removed, those members will be permanently banned from the forum!

That makes sense if the G8x forum is curating posts AND MEMBERS so as to present a majority positive view of broad member opinion.

But maybe there's another explanation not yet stated?

BP and BMW want to control the narrative on the G8X launch and all of us who dissented were labeled as trolls and shown the door. Too bad the rest of the automotive world agrees with us and they can't control everyone. The only thing they will accomplish is look like a bunch of jerks for alienating long term members and enthusiasts, just like BMW's marketing campaign. But at least its consistent lol

And good to see you're still around hahah

[GrussGott]

Originally Posted by stein_325i

According to BMWBlog.

Incredibly poor roll out of such an important model.

Or, the only smart roll-out of such an important model that's possible given it's such a failure-risk of an iteration.

The roll-out has been:

(1.) Announce it
(2.) Hide it
(3.) Reveal it, don't let anybody drive it
(4.) Selective autopress test it
(5.) Deliver it, as many as possible

It's sure not the roll-out of company confident in its product.

[jmg]

Originally Posted by GrussGott

Or, the only smart roll-out of such an important model that's possible given it's such a failure-risk of an iteration.

The roll-out has been:

(1.) Announce it
(2.) Hide it
(3.) Reveal it, don't let anybody drive it
(4.) Selective autopress test it
(5.) Deliver it, as many as possible

It's sure not the roll-out of company confident in its product.

(6.) Release an LCI that "fixes" the criticisms?
(7.) Release a new slightly bigger M2 with an attractive front end, 485+hp, under 3700lbs, RWD, & 6MT as a spiritual successor–hopefully.

[FlyingLow78]

Originally Posted by GrussGott

Or, the only smart roll-out of such an important model that's possible given it's such a failure-risk of an iteration.

The roll-out has been:

(1.) Announce it
(2.) Hide it
(3.) Reveal it, don't let anybody drive it
(4.) Selective autopress test it
(5.) Deliver it, as many as possible

It's sure not the roll-out of company confident in its product.

This doesn't seem too out of character with their actions related to other model roll-outs, except for how long they disguised the front of the car. It tested for months on the Nurburgring and normal roads before they finally removed the cloth mask. Given that the new front is divisive (to say the least), I'm sure this paradigm shift in styling needed to be kept under wraps to minimize negative press until they were able to put the cars in the hands of social media influencers. BMW knows that influencers are unlikely to say anything legitimately hurtful to the brand, while still poking fun at the styling a bit. (Caveat: I've been intentionally avoiding YouTube content related to the new car, because no amount of peer pressure is going to make me less angry about it.)

The cars are already listed as in stock on the website for US military personnel stationed in Europe, though they may just be on order. I can get an M2 CS for the same money as an ugly new M3 Comp.

[RugbyBro]

Originally Posted by jmg

(6.) Release an LCI that "fixes" the criticisms? But changes net to nothing
(7.) Release LCI2 after people buy up LCI1 that actually makes a few cosmetic changes
(8.) Release a new slightly bigger M2 with an attractive front end, 485+hp, under 3700lbs, RWD, & 6MT as a spiritual successor–hopefully.

Had to slip a step in there hehe

[secretanchitman]

Originally Posted by jmg

(6.) Release an LCI that "fixes" the criticisms?
(7.) Release a new slightly bigger M2 with an attractive front end, 485+hp, under 3700lbs, RWD, & 6MT as a spiritual successor–hopefully.

Honestly if the new M2 had 6MT, adaptive suspension, HUD, RWD, have some decent exterior/interior colors, didn't look fugly and it had 450+ HP/torque, that *could* be amazing as an F82 successor!

[MFNATIK]

I was looking something up and I came across this post. Stark contrast to the G8X

https://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...19&postcount=5

[Arcades]

Originally Posted by doug_999

It is not about laziness if you are using it as a DD - the CA option is really nice (I do use it all the time to open my trunk leaving work with my hands full). And get this, I use CA at least twice per day! But I don't change my seat position very often. So kill the power seats (including the one on the passenger side if it has it) - that will lower the seat height and save a LOT more weight. Oh but one last thing - I bet most people don't realize they don't have CA until they get home with the new car - but power seats? Yea, they would notice that - so maybe this is all a ploy by BMW marketing


It still makes me laugh that you could get that car with the Exec package, the Power Rear Sunshade, the Adaptive LED Lights, the Heads Up Display... but nooo, noo comfort access. BMW is funny sometimes...

Well, in BMW's defense, they could very much be taking a page out of Porsche. Porsche's GT cars have no CA and no memory seat (even the 18-way) then most of them have manual door pulls for weight reasons. Though, the way BMW has done it is kind of half assed, putting this in but not completely remove everything to save weight.

[swagon]

Originally Posted by Arcades

Well, in BMW's defense, they could very much be taking a page out of Porsche. Porsche's GT cars have no CA and no memory seat (even the 18-way) then most of them have manual door pulls for weight reasons. Though, the way BMW has done it is kind of half assed, putting this in but not completely remove everything to save weight.

I'm okay with non-memory seats. There is a quite big weight difference between 4-way and 18-way sofas, whilst being mostly the same seats without extra motors and some extra adjustment on the 18-ways.

I've mentioned this in another thread, though; the fact that you have to pay extra $330 for power folding mirrors on a Taycan or $500 for front seat heaters on a $85k Cayenne S is frankly ridiculous. I know Germans are notorious for this, but it's gotten better in the last 10 years, yet Porsche is still really milking its customers (who are all eating it because what else to do) as they love profit margins more than common sense.

On the other hand, the polar opposite of having no optional equipment or just one or two equipment packages is also bad, though.

[alex2364]

Originally Posted by swagon

I've mentioned this in another thread, though; the fact that you have to pay extra $330 for power folding mirrors on a Taycan, or $500 for front seat heaters on a $85k Cayenne S. I know Germans are notorious for this, but it's gotten better in the last 10 years, yet Porsche is still really milking its customers (who are all eating it because what else to do) as they love profit margins more than common sense.

That's because Porsche isn't a mainstream luxury brand like Audi, Mercedes, and BMW. They compete with the big boys and focuses on profit per unit instead of volume. I usually assume ~20% of base MSRP will be needed for options on any Porsche car.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by swagon

I'm okay with non-memory seats. There is a quite big weight difference between 4-way and 18-way sofas, whilst being mostly the same seats without extra motors and some extra adjustment on the 18-ways.

I've mentioned this in another thread, though; the fact that you have to pay extra $330 for power folding mirrors on a Taycan or $500 for front seat heaters on a $85k Cayenne S is frankly ridiculous. I know Germans are notorious for this, but it's gotten better in the last 10 years, yet Porsche is still really milking its customers (who are all eating it because what else to do) as they love profit margins more than common sense.

On the other hand, the polar opposite of having no optional equipment or just one or two equipment packages is also bad, though.

Originally Posted by alex2364

That's because Porsche isn't a mainstream luxury brand like Audi, Mercedes, and BMW. They compete with the big boys and focuses on profit per unit instead of volume. I usually assume ~20% of base MSRP will be needed for options on any Porsche car.

I have the opposite view. I like the fact you can individually pick options like Porsche does it in North America. You get to spec your car exactly to your liking. In fact, from what I gather, BMW, Audi and MB also allow much more individual options in their home markets. It is the North American distributors that make many items standard or bunch them in "packages".

[drroc]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

I have the opposite view. I like the fact you can individually pick options like Porsche does it in North America. You get to spec your car exactly to your liking. In fact, from what I gather, BMW, Audi and MB also allow much more individual options in their home markets. It is the North American distributors that make many items standard or bunch them in "packages".

In NA people like packages because it just saves the hassle of going over all of the small individual options. Granted, some package options can be annoying that require paying quite a bit for just a single thing that you want out of the entire package.

[swagon]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

I have the opposite view. I like the fact you can individually pick options like Porsche does it in North America. You get to spec your car exactly to your liking. In fact, from what I gather, BMW, Audi and MB also allow much more individual options in their home markets. It is the North American distributors that make many items standard or bunch them in "packages".

I like to select my options too, but Porsche is taking it too far with some stuff that really should've been standard in 2021.

Looking at BMW USA website, they make you pay extra 4k if you just want one of the options from the package because there's no other way, like adaptive LEDs or better audio.

Porsche's strategy is the same in America as in Germany, but Audi, BMW and MB offer options in packages mostly, which is different than in Germany and most of Europe.

[secretanchitman]

Originally Posted by swagon

I like to select my options too, but Porsche is taking it too far with some stuff that really should've been standard in 2021.

Looking at BMW USA website, they make you pay extra 4k if you just want one of the options from the package because there's no other way, like adaptive LEDs or better audio.

Porsche's strategy is the same in America as in Germany, but Audi, BMW and MB offer options in packages mostly, which is different than in Germany and most of Europe.

For me, 95% of the options list is what I would order so packages make sense. However for those who just want one or two options, I think BMW should also offer a la carte! Why not offer all options so everyone is happy?

[stein_325i]

Audi does options the worst in my opinion. I'm not sure if they still do it, but to get ACC in any car usually you are required to option the most expensive trim/package which leads to a huge jump in price, and then most dealers option the trim just below that without ACC.

[MFNATIK]

A buddy of mine who had a Fire Orange F80 finally saw the G8X pics. His reaction is consistent with the majority of car people