F8X M3/M4 Competition Package?

[tlp]

History suggests that LCI will happen MY2016 with the F30 & F32. I predict that ZCP will be released with MY2016/MY2017.

[Technic]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

The M5 was already launched two years earlier at the M Festival in 2011 so it was a two year gap.
The same will be for the M3. The F30 is not getting an update this soon. The car is still selling too well.

You guys have been changing the "traditional" model year and LCI releases quite a lot since calendar year 2010 (six-, 18- and 20- months model years, 4- and 5-model year LCI) so anything could go now, I guess...

[W///]

Originally Posted by Ezio

the E92 comp pack was well worth the price though.

the ZCP rims IMO look pretty nice. i wouldn't even want to change them. the ZCP rims were also wider than the other 19s. which made it great for a upgraded tire. the lower ride was also cool. that price alone matched or was cheaper than after market rims. you get rims + more

IMO the e92 comp package was a well worth it for what you are paying and what you get. BUT i wouldn't call it a comp package. i think thats what threw people off. To me its more of a appearance package.

the M5 comp package was more focus on performance, but if you ask the rims are very underwhelming. but again this time its not as much about the appearance

Yea but the E9x ZCP was not a deal breaker if your didn't have one. Don't get me wrong, I love the rims (had them on myself), but everything else was OK at best.

You can buy used ZCP rims, get springs for pretty cheap and get someone to code Euro MDM. Is it easier to just get ZCP from factory, absolutely. But my budget and color choice meant I was stuck with an 08.

Like I said though, if it's E9x style ZCP, then it's not a deal breaker. If it's M5/6 style where the changes are in the guts of the car, then that's a deal breaker for me. So many journalists were saying how ZCP is how the M5/6 should have come from factory, whereas E9x they were saying the difference was not big.

[Black Gold]

^^^

Disagree on suspension. The zcp suspenion is not "springs", it's new springs and matched shorter dampers.

Zcp for the e9x was the only way to lower your car with no compromise to ride quality outside of something very expensive like Ohlins coilovers.

Springs are not at all the same as competition package suspension, and are far inferior for ride quality and handling.

I probably will look to retrofit comp suspenion as soon as I can on my 2015 m3. I have it on my 09 e92 and love it

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by KennyPowers

^^^

Disagree on suspension. The zcp suspenion is not "springs", it's new springs and matched shorter dampers.

Zcp for the e9x was the only way to lower your car with no compromise to ride quality outside of something very expensive like Ohlins coilovers.

Springs are not at all the same as competition package suspension, and are far inferior for ride quality and handling.

I probably will look to retrofit comp suspenion as soon as I can on my 2015 m3. I have it on my 09 e92 and love it

ZCP didn't lower the car that much, so people still ditched the springs and/or shocks for aftermarket variants (...and very, very few were rocking the Ohlins; most were on KW's or something similar.). Also, I think the EDC-equipped ZCP cars had the same shocks, so it really did just come down to springs in that case.

[SamS]

Originally Posted by Technic

... that's right for the M4 but the F80 M3 LCI will be in about 18 months or less, and that is if BMW does not pull a fast one and makes the M3 LCI next late-summer as a MY2015.

I think I've mentioned before... The F25 needs its LCI first, before any F30. The F25 LCI will be MY2015, so the F30/F80 can get an LCI for MY2016. No way the F25/F30 would share the same MY for LCI, as the F25 came out a year earlier than the F30.

[aajami]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

ZCP didn't lower the car that much, so people still ditched the springs and/or shocks for aftermarket variants (...and very, very few were rocking the Ohlins; most were on KW's or something similar.). Also, I think the EDC-equipped ZCP cars had the same shocks, so it really did just come down to springs in that case.

Nah, the shocks were also different on ZCP cars too. Same ones that came on the 1M and non-ZCP JDM M3.

Combined with the slightly more aggressive offset of the wheels, ZCP gave a subtle but nice lower and wider stance to the car.

[Black Gold]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

ZCP didn't lower the car that much, so people still ditched the springs and/or shocks for aftermarket variants (...and very, very few were rocking the Ohlins; most were on KW's or something similar.). Also, I think the EDC-equipped ZCP cars had the same shocks, so it really did just come down to springs in that case.

It's a noticeable drop, 10mm. Of course poeple arill modded it. Hell people mod 458 italias too.

The shocks are absolutely different, I know because I looked into sourcing them from BMW.

Yes people use kw, but that doesn't mean it's a great suspension setup for street and track. It rides worse. The only kit I've used that doesn't is the Ohlins rt. but that's off topic.

[Ezio]

Originally Posted by W///

Yea but the E9x ZCP was not a deal breaker if your didn't have one. Don't get me wrong, I love the rims (had them on myself), but everything else was OK at best.

You can buy used ZCP rims, get springs for pretty cheap and get someone to code Euro MDM. Is it easier to just get ZCP from factory, absolutely. But my budget and color choice meant I was stuck with an 08.

Like I said though, if it's E9x style ZCP, then it's not a deal breaker. If it's M5/6 style where the changes are in the guts of the car, then that's a deal breaker for me. So many journalists were saying how ZCP is how the M5/6 should have come from factory, whereas E9x they were saying the difference was not big.

i completely understand. and in fact when i was looking at M3s i also was looking at non ZCP cars. All i am saying is this. for how much ZCP cost and what you get. its not a rip off factory package. and yes its not a deal breaker.

also there are people like me who bought this car to have a warranty and keep everything OEM for daily driving purpose. with that said. i love the better looking rims and extra suspension gear. as i don't plan to mod the car. i wanted all i could get from factory

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by KennyPowers

The shocks are absolutely different, I know because I looked into sourcing them from BMW.

Yes people use kw, but that doesn't mean it's a great suspension setup for street and track. It rides worse. The only kit I've used that doesn't is the Ohlins rt. but that's off topic.

Well that's good to know. I figured that BMW sourced the same EDC shock for both cars. I could have sworn the part number from my E90's EDC shock was the same as my E92's EDC shock. Ah well!

Originally Posted by aajami

Nah, the shocks were also different on ZCP cars too. Same ones that came on the 1M and non-ZCP JDM M3.

Combined with the slightly more aggressive offset of the wheels, ZCP gave a subtle but nice lower and wider stance to the car.

So the EDC E9X shocks were the same as the 1M shocks????


P.S. The ZCP drop still wasn't enough for me. My car was lowered the next day.

[Black Gold]

Edc =\ zcp shocks

Zcp shocks are the same as what is on the 1m is what he is saying

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by KennyPowers

Edc =\ zcp shocks

Zcp shocks are the same as what is on the 1m is what he is saying

So back to my post #46....


...I was saying that EDC-equipped ZCP cars had the same shocks, which aajami then retorted that they were the same as the 1M??!! I recalled (..correctly I believe!) the part numbers being the same on my EDC-equipped ZCP and EDC-equipped non ZCP cars. That was the point that I was trying to make.

[aajami]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Well that's good to know. I figured that BMW sourced the same EDC shock for both cars. I could have sworn the part number from my E90's EDC shock was the same as my E92's EDC shock. Ah well!





So the EDC E9X shocks were the same as the 1M shocks????


P.S. The ZCP drop still wasn't enough for me. My car was lowered the next day.

I think you're confusing EDC and ZCP. EDC is an option that allows for variable damper rates on the car. ZCP is the competition package. At any rate, the ZCP shocks were the same as the 1M shocks were the same as the non-ZCP Japanese M3 shocks, yes.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by aajami

I think you're confusing EDC and ZCP. EDC is an option that allows for variable damper rates on the car. ZCP is the competition package. At any rate, the ZCP shocks were the same as the 1M shocks were the same as the non-ZCP Japanese M3, yes.

No I'm not. What I'm saying is that you could get a ZCP M3 with EDC and without. I was stating that ZCP cars with EDC had the same shocks as the EDC cars without ZCP, hence the difference really only being the springs (..and the wheels and MDM). Read post #45 and #46 again!

[aajami]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

No I'm not. What I'm saying is that you could get a ZCP M3 with EDC and without. I was stating that ZCP cars with EDC had the same shocks as the EDC cars without ZCP, hence the difference really only being the springs (..and the wheels and MDM). Read post #45 and #46 again!

Let's everyone take a deep breath

I don't have time to look up the PNs now, but I'll do it later, though I'm almost certain that they will be different.

You're my boy, Sedan Clan

[Black Gold]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

No I'm not. What I'm saying is that you could get a ZCP M3 with EDC and without. I was stating that ZCP cars with EDC had the same shocks as the EDC cars without ZCP, hence the difference really only being the springs (..and the wheels and MDM). Read post #45 and #46 again!

Not true

Zcp was only available with edc shocks

I almost bought the shocks and had oem edc. The part numbers were not the same

Anyway, let's get back to our regularly scheduled program of arguing about the s55 and s65 and bashing earl and ezio

[aajami]

Originally Posted by KennyPowers

Not true

Zcp was only available with edc shocks

Yes and no, and this is where things can get confusing. ZCP in the US was only offered with EDC, but since the ZCP shocks were the same ones that were available on the non-ZCP JDM M3, and since the non-ZCP JDM M3 was offered with and without EDC, it is possible to source non-EDC ZCP shocks from overseas vendors if you had the right PN.

[solstice]

As others have stated ZCP was only offered with EDC in the US. I was offered ZCP for free but declined since I did not want EDC.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by aajami

Let's everyone take a deep breath

I don't have time to look up the PNs now, but I'll do it later, though I'm almost certain that they will be different.

You're my boy, Sedan Clan

LOL! I think I'm starting to talk over myself with all of the acronyms. I found myself re-reading what I posted and thinking, "What are you trying to say here?"

Originally Posted by KennyPowers

Not true

Zcp was only available with edc shocks

I almost bought the shocks and had oem edc. The part numbers were not the same

Anyway, let's get back to our regularly scheduled program of arguing about the s55 and s65 and bashing earl and ezio

What I'm trying to say is that I've had M3's with EDC.....two that didn't have ZCP and one that did. I had to have the front passenger side EDC shock/module replaced on one of the non-ZCP cars, and I could have sworn that the part number was the same as that of my ZCP's EDC shocks. That's what I meant about the shocks on EDC cars being the same, ZCP or not. I might have transposed a number or something, so I could be wrong (..and I fully expect to be called on it....after all, it's the Bimmerpost way ).

I do agree though........


...back to bashing Ezio and Earl (...although I did start to sympathize with the latter a bit; he was tugging on my heart strings just a tad). It's much more fun than the technical drivel we all usually involve ourselves in when it comes to specs.

[Boss330]

The part # for the std EDC damper is 31312284095/31312284096

The part # for the ZCP EDC damper is 31312283917/31312283918

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Boss330

The part # for the std EDC damper is 31312284095/31312284096

The part # for the ZCP EDC damper is 31312283917/31312283918

I stand corrected.


Does your research show what the internal differences are?

[Boss330]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

I stand corrected.


Does your research show what the internal differences are?

No, I just got the part numbers.