Oil

[Ski1]

Looking at the Castrol Edge 0w40.
Anyone using that?

[Uksa007]

Originally Posted by Ski1

Looking at the
Castrol Edge 0w40.
Anyone using that?

Nope, Shell Helix Ultra 5W40 all the way(for the F80)!
You don't need a 0W it doesn't get cold enough in AUS and they are generally not as good as 5W for (from memory the NOACK which reduces carbon on direct injection engines)

Shell is the oil supplier for BMW, so it's probably not a lot different from what the dealer would use, which is probably a 5W30 (Helix ultra comes in that too if you want to use a 5W30)

EDIT If you are asking for your E92 M3 aren't they supposed to use a much heavier oil like 10W60?

[TopJimmy]

If Edycol says so then it's good. Fourth post on this thread has his approval.

Ticking noise f82 M4? https://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1832282

[Ski1]

Thanks guys - I will update my handle to F80. The E92 is gone. Wish I could hold both!

[SE7EN335]

Shell Helix 5w40 is a very stout oil for the F80 M3. I remember I had ridicolous oil consumption with the Penrite 0w40 when i was using it something like 1L every 3k kms. As soon as i switched to Shell helix 5w40, it hasnt dropped at all from the oil level reader in 4k kms.

[Uksa007]

Originally Posted by SE7EN335

Shell Helix 5w40 is a very stout oil for the F80 M3. I remember I had ridicolous oil consumption with the Penrite 0w40 when i was using it something like 1L every 3k kms. As soon as i switched to Shell helix 5w40, it hasnt dropped at all from the oil level reader in 4k kms.

Yep I have zero measurable oil consumption between changes with the Helix Ultra 5w40.

From all the research I have seen the Helix ultra generally comes out pretty much on top, Shell is the oil supplier for BMW and you can usually buy it on special at supercheap for $40/5L, I'm not sure why you would want to use anything else.

[D_SheerDrivingPleasure]

Originally Posted by Ski1

Looking at the Castrol Edge 0w40.
Anyone using that?

I use it.

Don't overthink it. Just make sure you change it.

As the saying goes, opinions are like farts, everyone else’s stinks, they are hard to hold in and when you let one go, at least one person will leave the room.

[Uksa007]

Originally Posted by D_SheerDrivingPleasure

I use it.

Don't overthink it. Just make sure you change it.

As the saying goes, opinions are like farts, everyone else’s stinks, they are hard to hold in and when you let one go, at least one person will leave the room.

You might what to think about it Edge is no longer BMW LL01 approved, so if you are still under warranty, you shouldn't use it and in general I would not recommend using anything that doesn't have BMW LL01 approval for use here in Australia.

[SE7EN335]

Originally Posted by Uksa007

Yep I have zero measurable oil consumption between changes with the Helix Ultra 5w40.

From all the research I have seen the Helix ultra generally comes out pretty much on top, Shell is the oil supplier for BMW and you can usually buy it on special at supercheap for $40/5L, I'm not sure why you would want to use anything else.

I am quite astounded as to how different oils have such huge varying oil consumptions on two ends of the spectrum. Penrite 0w40 is a quality oil but it was burning like fumes in the s55 whereas the shell helix 5w40 does not consume oil at all. Thought it may have been my piston rings getting old at 80k kms when i was using the penrite

[Uksa007]

Originally Posted by SE7EN335

I am quite astounded as to how different oils have such huge varying oil consumptions on two ends of the spectrum. Penrite 0w40 is a quality oil but it was burning like fumes in the s55 whereas the shell helix 5w40 does not consume oil at all. Thought it may have been my piston rings getting old at 80k kms when i was using the penrite

Very different oils, Shell Helix Ultra is from Natural Gas (GTL) so the base stock is much better than traditional oils.

"Shell PurePlus Technology is a revolutionary process that converts natural gas into crystal-clear base oil with virtually none of the impurities found in crude oil. Base oil makes up approximately 75-90% of motor oil and so this is a significant step-change in the composition.

Shell PurePlus Technology produces base oil that provides enhanced viscosity, friction and volatility performance compared to more prominently used traditional base oils. This means it helps extend engine life, reduce maintenance costs, reduce oil consumption, enhance fuel economy and enable better engine cleanliness."

[F80COMP]

FWIW I'm using the genuine BMW oil 0w-30 LL-01 in mine at the moment with no issues. I believe this oil is just rebranded shell oil anyway.

Next oil change I'm going to go to a 0-40 or something like that as advised by a repeatable BMW specialist here in W.A

[Chilled]

Uksa007 , Are you able to link to the current LL01 list? If edge no longer makes it, would like to see what else has changed.

[Uksa007]

Originally Posted by Chilled

Uksa007 , Are you able to link to the current LL01 list? If edge no longer makes it, would like to see what else has changed.

Rumor has it that BMW changed the approval requirements for LL01 in 2018 and some manufactures either didn't pass the new requirements or didn't apply for re-certification to the new LL01 standard and have lost the LL01, but may have been slowly getting re-certified over time.

I'm not sure there is any definitive list, I did a bit of checking with the major manufactures web sites for local products with LL01 certification and it seems some are listing it again:

BMW oil from dealer (manufactured by Shell)
Castrol Edge (AU has it for 5W-30 A3/B4, 5W-40 A3/B4 called Edge Euro internationally)
Shell Helix Ultra 5W-40 (USA: Pennzoil Platinum Euro)
Shell Helix Ultra x 5W-30 (USA: Pennzoil Platinum Euro)
Valvoline SynPower 0W-40

Manufacture's product webpages that no longer list LL01 approval
Mobil 1

[Chilled]

Are you getting this from TIS/ISTA or from the manufacturer website?

The list I saw was from a newish version of ISTA that showed the new Motul X-Cess Gen2.

Was hoping there would be an online updated version of the list.

[Uksa007]

Originally Posted by Chilled

Are you getting this from TIS/ISTA or from the manufacturer website?

The list I saw was from a newish version of ISTA that showed the new Motul X-Cess Gen2.

Was hoping there would be an online updated version of the list.

Originally Posted by Uksa007

I did a bit of checking with the major manufactures web sites for local products with LL01

As per my post.

Not sure why you would want to use anything other than Shell, but if you do, contact BMW Australia to confirm it is on their approved list.

[Chilled]

Originally Posted by Uksa007

As per my post.

Not sure why you would want to use anything other than Shell.

Whilst I could argue that point, clearly you follow BMW recommended stance, so I wont.

[Uksa007]

Originally Posted by Chilled

Whilst I could argue that point, clearly you follow BMW recommended stance, so I wont.

Bit confused, as it was you that asked what was on the approved list?

I think it's generally a good idea to use BMW approved oil, even if out of warranty if there is a recall/engine failure BMW Australia would be more willing to provide goodwill repairs if you have used approved oil.

I just make the point that Shell Helix Ultra is LL01 approved(Shell make BMW branded oil), is easy to source as is locally available at Supercheap for a reasonable price, and seems to be highly regarded at sites like Bobistheoilguy.

[Chilled]

I was interested if there was a new/good single info source for this. I am always interested in learning more about these things.

I'm not against using the BMW recommended spec on certain things, but I'm not for blindingly following their recommendation.

Eg, LL01 standard was re-drafted to be more targeted towards been more fuel efficient as opposed to been more protective/reliability of the engine. Yes, I am talking about the LL01, not the FE draft.

Hence why, preference/requirements may differ from BMWs official.

[DOCTOR.Y]

I'm using edge 0-40 and change them every 10000km.

[F80COMP]

Found this whilst having a look thru ISTA today:

There is also a list of approved oils from shell, Castrol etc etc

[mynameisplayer]

Mobil 1 0-40 all day, every day - M3 and X5 n63TU2 - looks like honey coming out at 10k

[Uksa007]

Originally Posted by mynameisplayer

Mobil 1 0-40 all day, every day - M3 and X5 n63TU2 - looks like honey coming out at 10k

Mobil 1 no longer has BMW LL01 approval so you should not use while under warranty as BMW would deny any engine claims and probably not recommended to use if out of warranty.