M3 vs. M4

judsonlct · 11-23-2019, 09:23 AM

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Best rear end of any car I've ever seen south of hypercar heights. The aggressive trunk lid spoiler, the poke of the rear Rotiforms in black, the CF diffuser and lowered stance... pure fire. Props.

For a moment, I thought it had been rear-ended. The white lines reflecting on it. Lol.

ntorrance888 · 11-25-2019, 10:49 AM

Both M3 and M4 are great cars. I don't think you can consider them as a sports car. Performance Sedan and Performance Coupe perhaps?

Taco_Bueno · 11-26-2019, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by ntorrance888

Both M3 and M4 are great cars. I don't think you can consider them as a sports car. Performance Sedan and Performance Coupe perhaps?

What is the difference?

CigarPundit · 11-26-2019, 06:15 PM

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What is the difference?

Traditionally, a sports car is two-seater with a soft top that was good on a track. I don't know what it means anymore. Hell, I don't even know what a coupe is anymore now that BMW sells four door "coupes."

Sedan_Clan · 11-26-2019, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by ntorrance888

Both M3 and M4 are great cars. I don't think you can consider them as a sports car. Performance Sedan and Performance Coupe perhaps?

What is the difference?

There isn't one. The term sports car is generic; an ///M3/4 is every bit as sporty as just about any other sports car on the road. There are, indeed, different tiers under the sports car category (...an M3/4 is no GT3 or Ferrari), but the ///M fits nicely among the rungs.

THEROK · 11-26-2019, 07:51 PM

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is every bit as sporty as just about any other sports car on the road. There are, indeed, different tiers under the sports car category

You just counterargued yourself here.

My $.02.

F80/2 is top class in terms of chassis rigidity, durability (e.g. cooling perf), weight, and trans (DCT only) --> amongst its competitors.

RS4 is an awd pig. Albeit a nice one.

C63S is also a 2-ton+ porker with a not so great transmission.

Alfa GG also heavier with a not so great trans.

Once you get into fix-figs (i.e. any gen GT3), you know instantaneously the moment you grip the wheel that you are sitting a vehicle worlds apart from the overachieving commuter sedan based M.

IMHO, anything that exceeds ~3,200lbs is really tough to call a sports car.

CigarPundit · 11-26-2019, 07:53 PM

https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-cul...ar-definition/

Sedan_Clan · 11-26-2019, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by THEROK

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Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

is every bit as sporty as just about any other sports car on the road. There are, indeed, different tiers under the sports car category

You just counterargued yourself here.

My $.02.

F80/2 is top class in terms of chassis rigidity, durability (e.g. cooling perf), weight, and trans (DCT only) --> amongst its competitors.

RS4 is an awd pig. Albeit a nice one.

C63S is also a 2-ton+ porker with a not so great transmission.

Alfa GG also heavier with a not so great trans.

Once you get into fix-figs (i.e. any gen GT3), you know instantaneously the moment you grip the wheel that you are sitting a vehicle worlds apart from the overachieving commuter sedan based M.

IMHO, anything that exceeds ~3,200lbs is really tough to call a sports car.

Not really! Performance sedan/coupe or sports car is all the same. The only point that I was making is that the ///M is still a sports car despite people mandating the number of doors or adding a convertible top to qualify it. A sports/sporty car is a wide and vast category of car. There really isn't a finite set of rules about what makes a sports car.

P.S. A current model GT3 RS weighs nearly 3200 lbs (...less than 50 lbs. shy). Is it not a sports car then?

THEROK · 11-27-2019, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

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Originally Posted by THEROK

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Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

is every bit as sporty as just about any other sports car on the road. There are, indeed, different tiers under the sports car category

You just counterargued yourself here.

My $.02.

F80/2 is top class in terms of chassis rigidity, durability (e.g. cooling perf), weight, and trans (DCT only) --> amongst its competitors.

RS4 is an awd pig. Albeit a nice one.

C63S is also a 2-ton+ porker with a not so great transmission.

Alfa GG also heavier with a not so great trans.

Once you get into fix-figs (i.e. any gen GT3), you know instantaneously the moment you grip the wheel that you are sitting a vehicle worlds apart from the overachieving commuter sedan based M.

IMHO, anything that exceeds ~3,200lbs is really tough to call a sports car.

Not really! Performance sedan/coupe or sports car is all the same. The only point that I was making is that the ///M is still a sports car despite people mandating the number of doors or adding a convertible top to qualify it. A sports/sporty car is a wide and vast category of car. There really isn't a finite set of rules about what makes a sports car.

P.S. A current model GT3 RS weighs nearly 3200 lbs (...less than 50 lbs. shy). Is it not a sports car then?

We can agree to disagree. If my m4 is a sports car then I don't want a sports car.

So 3150 is < ~3200 right? Forum people smh lmao.

Jim B · 11-27-2019, 10:22 AM

The M4 us a German muscle car, and I love mine.

Sedan_Clan · 11-27-2019, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by THEROK

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Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

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Originally Posted by THEROK

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Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

is every bit as sporty as just about any other sports car on the road. There are, indeed, different tiers under the sports car category

You just counterargued yourself here.

My $.02.

F80/2 is top class in terms of chassis rigidity, durability (e.g. cooling perf), weight, and trans (DCT only) --> amongst its competitors.

RS4 is an awd pig. Albeit a nice one.

C63S is also a 2-ton+ porker with a not so great transmission.

Alfa GG also heavier with a not so great trans.

Once you get into fix-figs (i.e. any gen GT3), you know instantaneously the moment you grip the wheel that you are sitting a vehicle worlds apart from the overachieving commuter sedan based M.

IMHO, anything that exceeds ~3,200lbs is really tough to call a sports car.

Not really! Performance sedan/coupe or sports car is all the same. The only point that I was making is that the ///M is still a sports car despite people mandating the number of doors or adding a convertible top to qualify it. A sports/sporty car is a wide and vast category of car. There really isn't a finite set of rules about what makes a sports car.

P.S. A current model GT3 RS weighs nearly 3200 lbs (...less than 50 lbs. shy). Is it not a sports car then?

We can agree to disagree. If my m4 is a sports car then I don't want a sports car.

So 3150 is < ~3200 right? Forum people smh lmao.

Now you're being pedantic if 50 lbs. (...a full tank of gas) makes that much difference for your argument. So if I add some extra options to my GT3 to up it 50 lbs., is it no longer a sports car? You nullify your own argument by waxing poetic about a GT3 when even that car doesn't meet your weight criteria.

P.S. A Ferrari Itália is over 3400 lbs. A Lamborghini Huracan is over 3400 lbs. The McLaren P1 is over 3400 lbs. I could go on, but most already get the point. Your argument stands on pillars made of cigar paper.

<Forum people! SMH! >

THEROK · 11-27-2019, 06:39 PM

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<Sedan_clan people! SMH! >

YKIGI · 11-13-2020, 08:52 AM

The lines and proportions of the M4 are far superior IMO Beautiful car
M3 looks stubby and definitely not as mature

agentrnge · 11-13-2020, 10:10 AM

We should start a poll stating "Who's personal preference is wrong" for everything we talk about.

bsmf8x · 11-13-2020, 11:41 AM

They both look good, honestly one week I think the m3 looks better the next week I think the m4 does.

As an f82 owner I'm a little partial to it though

LukeM15 · 11-13-2020, 12:59 PM

The poll numbers speak for themselves lol #M3

jmg · 11-14-2020, 01:13 PM

I'm just glad they both don't have an ugly grill.

View Poll Results: Which one?
M3	594	61.43%
M4	373	38.57%
Voters: 967. You may not vote on this poll

11-25-2019, 10:49 AM	#1410
ntorrance888 New Member 2 Rep 24 Posts Drives: BMW M3, Ferrari 458, Audi R8 Join Date: Oct 2019 Location: Los Angeles, CA iTrader: (0)	Both M3 and M4 are great cars. I don't think you can consider them as a sports car. Performance Sedan and Performance Coupe perhaps?
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11-26-2019, 07:53 PM	#1415
CigarPundit On the road to serfdom 1392 Rep 673 Posts Drives: 2018 F80 M3 DCT, 2019 Raptor Join Date: Jun 2018 Location: Los Angeles iTrader: (0) Garage List 2018 F80 M3 DCT [0.00]	https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-cul...ar-definition/ __________________ "God bless our troops...Especially our snipers.”
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11-27-2019, 10:22 AM	#1418
Jim B Wingman 1895 Rep 1,890 Posts Drives: 2022 BMW M4 Manual Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Sacramento, CA iTrader: (0)	The M4 us a German muscle car, and I love mine.
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11-13-2020, 08:52 AM	#1421
YKIGI First Lieutenant 248 Rep 391 Posts Drives: Quadrifoglio Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: CT iTrader: (2)	The lines and proportions of the M4 are far superior IMO Beautiful car M3 looks stubby and definitely not as mature __________________ _____________________________________________ E46 wagon ~ E46 330ci ZHP ~E46 M3 Sold ~ E92 335i Sold ~ E90 M3 Sold ~ F82 M4 Sold <- All Manuals
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11-13-2020, 10:10 AM	#1422
agentrnge Lieutenant 379 Rep 485 Posts Drives: 2018 M3 6MT, 2001 740iL Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Morris County, NJ iTrader: (0)	We should start a poll stating "Who's personal preference is wrong" for everything we talk about.
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11-13-2020, 11:41 AM	#1423
bsmf8x Lieutenant Colonel 777 Rep 1,636 Posts Drives: F82 Join Date: Jan 2020 Location: NY iTrader: (1)	They both look good, honestly one week I think the m3 looks better the next week I think the m4 does. As an f82 owner I'm a little partial to it though
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11-13-2020, 12:59 PM	#1424
LukeM15 Captain 560 Rep 991 Posts Drives: M3 G80 Comp Xdrive Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: Maryland iTrader: (4)	The poll numbers speak for themselves lol #M3
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11-14-2020, 01:13 PM	#1425
jmg Lieutenant General 18663 Rep 14,108 Posts Drives: G82 M4C X-Drive Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Orange County, CA iTrader: (1) Garage List 2022 G82 M4C X-Drive [9.85] 2018 F80 M3 CS [9.87] 2019 i3 BEV [0.00]	I'm just glad they both don't have an ugly grill. __________________ 2022 G82///M4 Competition X-Drive - KW-HAS, EBC Bluestuff, Millway Race Camber Plates, Cup2 Connect, PSI High Flow Midpipe, Lightweight Front Lip, M Perf Flow Through Wing Previous • 2018 F80 ///M3 CS • 2016 F80 ///*M3 IG: Raging_G82
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