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      01-15-2016, 01:48 PM   #89
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Is this category for 3.0L to 4.0L V8s or just all 3.0L to 4.0L engines?

If so, I don't know of many 3.0L to 4.0L V8s, so maybe it won by default?
Remember, the S54 (3.2L) in the E46 M3 made a clean sweep in the same category during its [E46] entire existence [as a new model].

So no, not limited to V8s. BMW of past just happened to make some very good engines in that range of displacements.
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Remember, the S54 (3.2L) in the E46 M3 made a clean sweep in the same category during its [E46] entire existence [as a new model].

So no, not limited to V8s. BMW of past just happened to make some very good engines in that range of displacements.
This category included 911s 3.6 l engine, GT3 engine and McClaren twin turbo v8 engine to name a few. Porsche GT3 is a big feat to beat out. Also included a ton of others
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I've never understood all of the complaints about the M3 having "no torque", however. With the nice linear power delivery it is merely a matter of selecting the correct gear. Unlike an S2000 where you REALLY have to not only select the correct gear, but also somehow deal with the almost complete lack of power on the starting grid, if you slightly miscalculate which gear you need and bog it down, you really lose time.
I think you nailed that. The S65 offers a very large palette of driving choices for the driver but many are too lazy to learn and want all the gratification of a push-and-go type engine without relishing the freedom of choices and linear predictability the s65 offers. But it's that usage that i find so exciting and rewarding each time i drive my car. It's what gives it so much character. Doing the perfect acceleration, shifting at the point i feel like at that moment is very rewarding indeed. Anybody has the ability to get into a rocket and press the full thrust button. It gets boring, i prefer to 'live' the car. Even driving within posted speed limits i can get so much appreciation for the s65 by doing perfect shifts, feeling the reserve under the throttle pedal, just using what i need and sliding smoothly through as if the car was a bobsleigh on ice. Not to mention, intentional exaggerated downrev 6000 RPM blips at will with the MT. I love to watch bystanders' reaction.

That said, I've recently gotten to use E0 gas (ethanol free gas). I would not be honest if i did not mention how big a difference it makes to low RPM drive ability of the engine. There is definitively a choke, sluggishness caused by E10 10% ethanol that is not affecting full open throttle but really is strangling the engine low RPM. Since i use E0, i roll off with cold engine with the engine feeling very smooth and responsive. Before with E10 it spout out torque but then looses some in low RPM. All that goes away with E0.

People in E5 countries (Finland, UK) are more lucky. High rev NA engines really hate ethanol in any amount when it comes to low RPM transitional torque (not talking about peak power and TC applications)
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This category included 911s 3.6 l engine, GT3 engine and McClaren twin turbo v8 engine to name a few. Porsche GT3 is a big feat to beat out. Also included a ton of others
Absolutely correct, you can add the VR38DETT (R35 GT-R Engine) to the list of kills as well
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This thread is amusing....and loaded with self delusion and justification....reminds me so much of the old E46 M3 threads....one poster who claims to be unbiased called the old M3 the non-civic M3. Haters gonna hate.

lighter, faster and better fuel economy is the future. The M4 delivered. It does not make it a better car or X% better, just did what the customers claimed they wanted.

Obviously the public (and not this forum) agree, "BMW’s new M4 Coupe and 3 Series sedans had a 47 percent sales increase from a year earlier on a brand-leading 14,835 sales."

In fact in my area I see more F ms than E ms these days.

I bet money aside, if offered an even trade many many would switch
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I bet money aside, if offered an even trade many many would switch
Not for me whatsoever, but thanks for the blanket statement.
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This thread is amusing....and loaded with self delusion and justification....reminds me so much of the old E46 M3 threads....one poster who claims to be unbiased called the old M3 the non-civic M3. Haters gonna hate.

lighter, faster and better fuel economy is the future. The M4 delivered. It does not make it a better car or X% better, just did what the customers claimed they wanted.

Obviously the public (and not this forum) agree, "BMWs new M4 Coupe and 3 Series sedans had a 47 percent sales increase from a year earlier on a brand-leading 14,835 sales."

In fact in my area I see more F ms than E ms these days.

I bet money aside, if offered an even trade many many would switch
I had a loaded, new f80 with mpe, jb4 and I sold it 4 months later and,went back to an e92. Took a loss too. The e46 to e92 complaints were much different since,at the core the e92 delivered all aspects of an e46 only better. It took time for people to emotionally leave their love for inline 6. However the f80 doesn't offer even close to same experience as any prior m3. It offers an experience that can be found in many other cars.
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This thread is amusing....and loaded with self delusion and justification....reminds me so much of the old E46 M3 threads....one poster who claims to be unbiased called the old M3 the non-civic M3. Haters gonna hate.

lighter, faster and better fuel economy is the future. The M4 delivered. It does not make it a better car or X% better, just did what the customers claimed they wanted.

Obviously the public (and not this forum) agree, "BMWs new M4 Coupe and 3 Series sedans had a 47 percent sales increase from a year earlier on a brand-leading 14,835 sales."

In fact in my area I see more F ms than E ms these days.

I bet money aside, if offered an even trade many many would switch
Self delusion and justification? I guess all the purist porsche owners are going to love their new TT platforms? It's a matter of preference and I am glad I am able to experience the new F platform. With that said my preference is the E92. Most people that complained about previous new generation M3 did not own one.
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I had a loaded, new f80 with mpe, jb4 and I sold it 4 months later and,went back to an e92. Took a loss too. The e46 to e92 complaints were much different since,at the core the e92 delivered all aspects of an e46 only better. It took time for people to emotionally leave their love for inline 6. However the f80 doesn't offer even close to same experience as any prior m3. It offers an experience that can be found in many other cars.
Your last line says is everything!
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The announcement of the M4 444hp Competition Package for $5,500 might cause me to rethink this one.





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The announcement of the M4 444hp Competition Package for $5,500 might cause me to rethink this one.





Why? If you have driven one yoy know it doesn't lack power so a few more hp won't change anything about parts it lacks. Probably fall even flatter on face at upper rpms with more mid range power.
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Why? If you have driven one yoy know it doesn't lack power so a few more hp won't change anything about parts it lacks. Probably fall even flatter on face at upper rpms with more mid range power.
What I noticed at Hutchison Island Race Track was that the M4 was given to torque surges, a trait that is not particularly desirable at mid-corner. I anticipate that they will calm this tendency in future.
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Know several now who have sold/gotten out of leases on the new F8x and gone back to E9x platform. Don't recall this phenomenon occurring with the E46.
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Why? If you have driven one yoy know it doesn't lack power so a few more hp won't change anything about parts it lacks. Probably fall even flatter on face at upper rpms with more mid range power.
I gotta say, that interior is nice. I can get something like this in my E series but it'll cost me. Love the stitching on the dash, etc. Is this an option or ZCP thing? Or standard now? Wonder if those seats will work in an E series.
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Why? If you have driven one yoy know it doesn't lack power so a few more hp won't change anything about parts it lacks. Probably fall even flatter on face at upper rpms with more mid range power.
The power is the last thing I care about. The suspension, DSC and muffler change is what I care about.

In regards to this debate, I'm planning on adding an F80 ZCP to my garage, but if it came down to it, I'm still picking the E92 every time.

Out of the E36, E92 and F80, the E92 is the one I will never sell.
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what do the folks on F80.bimmerpost think about this? lol
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I'm not a fan of those wheels either, but to each their own. If the F8X had come with a 4.4 (even TT) V8 I'd be more interested in it =)
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I bet money aside, if offered an even trade many many would switch
Yeah, I'd take the trade.....then sell my shiny new M3, go buy another E90, drop it off @ Gintani for the TT upgrade, and still pocket between $10-$20k depending on how I modded the E90
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This thread is amusing....and loaded with self delusion and justification....reminds me so much of the old E46 M3 threads....one poster who claims to be unbiased called the old M3 the non-civic M3. Haters gonna hate.
So much this.
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Maybe, but I really love the V8 in the E92M. I'm curious to see how the new motor in the F8x holds up to track abuse. It seems like right now they are getting way too hot. I will be honest, I have done little to no research on that platform due to cost.

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Cooling was not one of the f80 engines pitfalls. That thing stayed pegged at cool temps no matter how I pushed it. Was very impressive track ready car if you enjoyed the character of the engine and car that is
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