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I dont think the EPS system will live upto an M3 driver's expectations, but lets hope they get it right or else I will be looking else were next time I change my car.
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I would argue that 2 and 3 are what most people call the steering feel, while 1 and 4 are called, well, precision and effort. But I fully agree that all of them are very important. The best EPS might be able to get 1, 2, and 4 right, but 3 remains elusive. |
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I'm so glad you ve pointed that out, BMW thinks a perfect 50/50 is the way to go actually a slightly lighter steer axle weight is better. Look at f1 cars,super cars none have 50-50 weight distribution.
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Which of course means: we did a half-ass job when testing the new $120k M6 and found out too late that without the spoiler you will crash when traveling at high speed. Here's the thread: http://www.6post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=692330 |
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If you weren't getting 3) in your S2000, maybe you should have gotten better tires? The S2000 had loads of road feedback. Point being that people are flipping out over this because they can't distinguish between electric steering and drive-by-wire steering.
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That is simply untrue. There are plenty of people on this board that know quite a bit about how an EPS works that have been participating in this debate. Show me the posts where anyone says anything about DBW steering, which doesn't even exist for passenger cars.
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This may be a stupid question, but what are the benefits of EPS? And here's my next stupid question: what's broken about hydraulic steering?
I'm just curious. I've heard the rants about EPS. I've driven with it myself and, compared to what my e92 feels like, I'm not nuts about it, but I can live with it. As a practical matter, I'm not likely to buy an M3 (or M anything else) unless there arises a new reason more compelling than those that existed over the past quarter century.
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In addition, EPS is more compact, easier to tune, and also cheaper to produce. Again, none of these is critical to cars like BMW, but they matter a lot to mainstream cars. So why do these factors affect our cars? I would guess that the suppliers will simply not develop or produce HPS any more. Keep in mind that both Porsche and BMW are buying their steering system from ZF. If parts companies like ZF no longer wants to maintain HPS line, which would be a wise business move as 99% of the market would not miss HPS, then you have no other choice but to tune the EPS the best you can. Or you can make your own steering rack, but apparently nobody does that any more. |
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Even after the first press releases, you would be surprised on how many cars that BMW submit for initial launch photography and film work which are not final examples , some of which is why interiors are often filmed within the confine of studios later.
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smoke coming out of the trunk on a brand new F30???? hmm.... I think Im going to stick to my e92 for a while....I havent had smoke come out of my trunk....I thought smoke usually comes out of the front of a car if something is on fire or burning... I guess there is just way to many wires back there because of all this technology they are putting in these cars.... Me personally would rather my trunk not be smoking driving down the road lol. Why cant M improve their engines and transmissions to be bullet proof and fast as hell but also keep to the basics that there is no way a EPS sytem is going to duplicate hydro steering
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I think besides fuel savings, one of the primary reasons many cars have gone to EPS is so the cars can still be steered with the engine turned off (Start/Stop systems). This way you can prepare to change course next time you drive away from a stop, etc. BTW, the best possible power steering is hydraulic where the pump is spun by an electric motor. This provides all the benefits of steering feel with all the efficiency (and ability to steer with engine off) of EPS. It weighs a little more and costs a little more to implement, but EPS is too big a compromise to me. This hybrid system has been used in all the Porsche 997 factory race cars as well as the McLaren 12C.
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