Albert Biermann M division engineering boss - 2016 M3 GT, M7, xDrive M5/M6?

[IS3andME]

Originally Posted by ERM-M3

Just a frew yrs ago The M bosses were laughing at MB for AMGing everything, including their trucks and S class...now look

Mercedes has had an AMG versions of the ML Class since the 90s, and the S55/65 AMG from the early 2000s, so they have been doing the "AMGing" of their cars for yrs...it wasn't until recently did they start having a AMG top of the line vehicle for almost all their line up...

BMW still doesn't have an answer to SL, AMG or reg strength. No answer to the S63/65 AMG, and no answer to the SLS, and it's upcoming replacement the GT.

[IS3andME]

Originally Posted by Poppin Fresh

Sounds to me like someone is trying to sabotage the M division from the inside. What's next, an all wheel drive M3?

Greed has a way of making one lose their way...straying from the path so speak....down the pathway of market shares.
It's only when they realize that they either are spread too thin, or have diluted the M brand that they will realize.

Mercedes had their issue a few yrs back, when it came to quality control and also the burden of the aquisition of Chrysler.

[IS3andME]

Originally Posted by ///M Power

GT will be cool, would be better than a wagon, but they would hv to keep it RWD, no x drive crap other wise you would buy an Audi.

I don't know how they are going to make M7 better than the B7. Maybe consider a bi-turbo v12 like the S65AMG?! The 7 is a prestige series and we don't need a M car for that. First, it's not sporty cuz it shouldn't be; second, an executive car don't need to be fast, just secure and comfortable is enough.

You have to remember that there is a market for it, otherwise Mercedes wouldn't have been selling the S65 for the past two generations (not including this new gen)...An M7 would be a damn welcome edition, and it would possibly push Audi to make a RS8...and Lexus to make a LS-F....imagine 4 high powered Full sized sedans for high powered execs to choose from? All of a sudden, the Porsche Panamera has company, and all of the alternatives look better.

[GFK007]

I absolutely loathe the GT cars. They are nothing short of hideous. Arguably two of the most unsightly cars being sold today.

Want a sedan? Get a sedan. An SUV, get an x3 or x5. A wagon? Get a wagon. With exception to the gran coupe, I think hybrids rarely end up being good looking.

[krnnerdboy]

The good news is....our economy is doing better and there's a market for pretty much anything. Sure beats 2009

[671rover]

Originally Posted by Poppin Fresh

Sounds to me like someone is trying to sabotage the M division from the inside. What's next, an all wheel drive M3?

You might be right

[aajami]

The only unannounced M cars that I'm interested are the M2 and the Z5M. There has been plenty of speculation on the M2 to date, but not a lot on the Z5M. Scott, when will we get more info on this car?

[richb811]

Originally Posted by clbmw

I suppose the M3GT would be the ultimate hot hatch hahaha

If we don't get an M3 touring give us an M Performance model at the very least!

M7 like the sound of it, as the numbers creep higher maybe we'll reach that mid-engined ///M Hypercar we all are dying to see! M7 would be a good test bed for an S version of the V12 engine.

Agreed! I would love to see an uptuned version of the N74 V12 in an M7. Developing that engine and only putting it in the 760i and Rolls Royce Ghost has to be a big drain on R&D costs. Put a revised DME and a new exhaust on that thing, Bring it up to 650+ HP and you've got your Hypercar Engine. Hell, stick it in the i8 and call it an M8.

[Bemo]

Originally Posted by 671rover

You might be right

Check in hand if that ever happens!!!!!!!! Well, the front end has to look good, too.

[Jadar]

Originally Posted by bunker

Ha! My bad. I now see you already went there.

Lmao I mean seriously. I'm still looking forward to the m235i and that's pretty much it that excites me about future product.

I been wanting to try an Audi s4/s5 for a while it's just getting more and more tempting.

Maybe a CPO 2013 cayman s. :-/

[solstice]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

The current priority for BMW M is to finalise for production on the all new BMW X5M and X6M and to start full development on the BMW M2.

Is that a confirmation? I haven't visited the 2 forum for a while but I thought the M2 was just speculation? Scott26 probably can't answer that but I take it as a very good indication.

[Ryan///M]

please BMW we don't need a goddamn M7.!! we need the M8 supercar!!!!!!!

[misterbeemer]

Make ///M version of the recently revealed 2 series Active Tourer....please!

[Joyrdr]

Originally Posted by ToyotaBMW

Noticed you didn't put any pictures of the rear end.

There you go man.

[Joyrdr]

Originally Posted by Joyrdr

There you go man.

Ohh here is inside the trunk just in case you were wondering. I was also able to transport a Sony 70" LED TV in here, of course out of the box. It fit perfectly.

[Joyrdr]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

Congrats on your GT. We will be getting a Black Sapphire M Sport in January.

Thanks Scott26 you will love it. It is a really versatile car. Perfect for me, I am divorced with two kids and needed a bigger car. I didn't want an SUV and didn't want an station wagon. The sedan didn't have enough space. I can drive responsibly when the kids are with me and still be able to punch it when a jackass is on my ass on the autobahn. Kinda feel like Goldilocks, the size was just right.

[Machu]

Originally Posted by abirmaher

Agreed.

Agreed here too

[imserious]

M7 would be lame.

They should make M performance everything, formally adopt Alpina to make highway bruisers and save true Ms for cars you would take to the track.

That would allow BMW to have their cake and eat it too.

[aantar]

seems like M division is more looking for what sells more and what brings back more money. they aren't considering taking risks. they aren't looking for customers satisfaction anymore.
I really can't see the issue behind manufacturing a super car !! where is the problem ? LOL
not expecting it to sell much ? other projects may sell more ?
Are they really thinking in this manner while BMW is one of the top selling brands worldwide !!
what I'm sure of it's not of course technical limitations.

[norwegianE46]

Originally Posted by Joyrdr

Thanks Scott26 you will love it. It is a really versatile car. Perfect for me, I am divorced with two kids and needed a bigger car. I didn't want an SUV and didn't want an station wagon. The sedan didn't have enough space. I can drive responsibly when the kids are with me and still be able to punch it when a jackass is on my ass on the autobahn. Kinda feel like Goldilocks, the size was just right.

Ditto! :-)

[Faust]

Originally Posted by aajami

The only unannounced M cars that I'm interested are the M2 and the Z5M. There has been plenty of speculation on the M2 to date, but not a lot on the Z5M. Scott, when will we get more info on this car?

Was meant to mention that too. Can't have an M3 GT and NOT a Z4M (or an M version of the new Z roadster whatever it may be called).

Granted, this current Z4 is a bit more comfy and civilised than the previous Zs but still it is the closest thing to a sportscar BMW currently offer and the best platform for an M model in my opinion. Yet, no Z4M.

So, like many people said, cars such as M2, M4GC, Z4/5Ms even M3 Touring should take priority over an M3 GT.

Of course we are just enthusiasts so what do we know.

[Pure]

Ladies and gentleman.
I have to believe in yourself and buy the car you have always been faithful.
Each person acquiring what you like the most.
I personally I have trouble understanding the GT philosophy and not buy a car of this design but there will buy and who you a have to respect that.
BMW is locally analyzing their way to expand their economic character issues, but must care product that adds an M version that could be contradictory and damaging to the company, to be agreed when they bought the Rover brand if indeed turned something beneficial for the BMW group.
I think the 3 Series models is the key point of the philosophy of the brand is the one that led the company to success for many decades and it should not be played.
I understand that BMW want to continue with the advantage over Mercedes and Audi massifying products, do not cannibalize the brand M, should be more selective, but you must understand that in this life and we all know sometimes you win and others lost, in work, in personal relationships, family relationships is reality.