Carsten Pries of BMW M: the M3/M4 S55 engine is an animal with shocking capabilities

[007_e350]

Come on guys 40 - 60 from 50 - 50 isn't that much of a "leap forward" ... If anything I'm thinking the turbo to be variable turbine geometry like the 911 turbo has which could open up some tuning platforms to make it a ROCKET

[DieGrüneHölle]

I am afraid of the amount of hype M3/M4 is getting.

[Boss330]

Originally Posted by bradleyland

Having seen swamp2's contributions in other threads, I'm nearly positive that was just a transpositional error. He meant 60-rear, 40-front distribution.

Yes, you are probably right

[JoeFromPA]

Originally Posted by 007_e350

Come on guys 40 - 60 from 50 - 50 isn't that much of a "leap forward" ... If anything I'm thinking the turbo to be variable turbine geometry like the 911 turbo has which could open up some tuning platforms to make it a ROCKET

As far as I know, two things:

1. Variable turbine geometry turbos are a PITA in many ways. I know, having two on one of my vehicles...

2. The m3/m4 does not have variable turbine geometry turbos.

[tlp]

I've owed every M3 since the e36 and based on history it is probable that I could own a F8X M3 as well but at this stage of the game this is starting to sound like contrived propaganda and unfortunately any anticipation is now starting wane. Amazed how many folks are already emotionally attached to this car based solely on pictures and some numbers. The endless and often baseless pontification is becoming nauseating. Looking forward to real world data and getting passed this window of speculation.

[Black Gold]

Originally Posted by tlp

I've owed every M3 since the e36 and based on history it is probable that I could own a F8X M3 as well but at this stage of the game this is starting to sound like contrived propaganda and unfortunately any anticipation is now starting wane. Amazed how many folks are already emotionally attached to this car based solely on pictures and some numbers. The endless and often baseless pontification is becoming nauseating. Looking forward to real world data and getting passed this window of speculation.

true the speculation is getting old, and it would be nice to get more real data

that said, its equally amazing to me how someone could get less interested in a car based on the amount of marketing (which is no different than any other carmaker at this time, marketing is extremely popular these days)

I am interested in the car because I think it will be awesome. not because it is or isn't marketed a lot. those things have zero to do with how the car will perform and what it looks like (seen it in person)

jmo

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by KennyPowers

true the speculation is getting old, and it would be nice to get more real data

that said, its equally amazing to me how someone could get less interested in a car based on the amount of marketing (which is no different than any other carmaker at this time, marketing is extremely popular these days)

I am interested in the car because I think it will be awesome. not because it is or isn't marketed a lot. those things have zero to do with how the car will perform and what it looks like (seen it in person)

jmo

Well said!

[elitex]

Originally Posted by biglare

Engine is an animal with shocking capabilities..... blah blah blah! I don't think it's going to be much different than the 1M engine with a proper tune on it. The torque will be the most fun, but if someone has not driven a 1M with a tune on it then it will be loads of new fun compared to an E9x M3. The day to day driving of the 1M is just overall more fun than a E9x M3. It's the torque that makes you drive with a constant smile.

The only difference that I am hoping for is that the torque is there at all times on the track for the new M3/4. With the 1M it can kind of come on quick and keeps you on your toes. If the torque delivery is slightly smoother, then we have some improvements over a tuned 1M engine. Just my thoughts.

At any rate, I'm looking forward to the real life comparison!

Torque is great but it's becoming an obsession for many. It's highly overrated IMO. I have both type of cars now and both are great. Their different but one is not better than the other.

Again, my personal opinion.

[tlp]

Originally Posted by KennyPowers

true the speculation is getting old, and it would be nice to get more real data

that said, its equally amazing to me how someone could get less interested in a car based on the amount of marketing (which is no different than any other carmaker at this time, marketing is extremely popular these days)

I am interested in the car because I think it will be awesome. not because it is or isn't marketed a lot. those things have zero to do with how the car will perform and what it looks like (seen it in person)

jmo

It's simple. Marketing is just marketing. I don't need someone to tell me what they "think" they want me to hear to buy their product. I will decide on my own terms with real world data. No need to romanticize today based on what I think it will be. I will make a decision based on what it actually does. Not hating...just saying .

I saw the M4 concept in person back in August @ Laguna Seca so I have had a lot of time to take in the car and data. Cautiously optimistic

[Ashley Schaeffer BMW]

lol settle down ladies. How about we wait for an independent review. Of course BMW is going to speak highly of this car.

[solstice]

Hehe, yeah I doubt those of us who has pushed the S63TU around will be "shocked" by the S55 but here's for hoping

[stevehifi]

we need real on-track reviews... like Tiff Needell going sideways beating this thing into
submission.

I remember when the e9x m3 was announced a bunch of press was invited to a course in Spain to test the car with tons of videos and feedback...

it also doesn't help that this car has no future racing derivative assigned to it either (at least the e9x had the GT cars with flat pane crank version of the V8)

so far all we've seen is a bunch of beauty shots and claims of setting the bar again by ///M marketing fan boys. (yes drink the coolaid.. and spend $75k)

[AtlantaDude]

Here's to hoping. I'm looking forward to driving an M4 and seeing how it feels. I have to admit, I'm also cautiously optimistic also.

[Real Deal]

Wait... So a company advertising their product and speak highly of it means the product sucks? Everything you all own has been advertised in a positive way/spin. And torque makes a shit load of difference in the driving experience, it's not over rated it's only over rated if the car you drive now doesn't have any... What else are you going to say? What do you think an M car that is I6 twin turbo can deliver? Look at the N54 engine, the possibilities are endless now that same concept is molded in an M car with M suspension, better cooling etc... Cautiously optimistic? Sure, it's how life is for almost all of us. No racing future? Oh yes the beast V8 rears it's slow ugly head again in the debate. It's a matter of time, few more months and we ll know for sure but to blindly hate is just plain stupid. For the M owners that are here with negative spin, most M cars have delivered as advertised, why would it stop now? Oh that's right, every 7 years when a model is changed everyone has to bitch and moan.

[elitex]

Originally Posted by Real Deal

Wait... So a company advertising their product and speak highly of it means the product sucks? Everything you all own has been advertised in a positive way/spin. And torque makes a shit load of difference in the driving experience, it's not over rated it's only over rated if the car you drive now doesn't have any... What else are you going to say? What do you think an M car that is I6 twin turbo can deliver? Look at the N54 engine, the possibilities are endless now that same concept is molded in an M car with M suspension, better cooling etc... Cautiously optimistic? Sure, it's how life is for almost all of us. No racing future? Oh yes the beast V8 rears it's slow ugly head again in the debate. It's a matter of time, few more months and we ll know for sure but to blindly hate is just plain stupid. For the M owners that are here with negative spin, most M cars have delivered as advertised, why would it stop now? Oh that's right, every 7 years when a model is changed everyone has to bitch and moan.

Lol! I'd say that my M5 has plenty of torque!

[Real Deal]

Originally Posted by elitex

Lol! I'd say that my M5 has plenty of torque!

Then get the e92m if you don't like the torque cause once you have driven a car full of torque and HP the rest is just ehh.

[elitex]

Originally Posted by Real Deal

Then get the e92m if you don't like the torque cause once you have driven a car full of torque the rest is just ehh.

I have both....

[Real Deal]

Originally Posted by elitex

I have both....

Well then, the e92m part of your brain must have made the torque being over rated comment I must say I respect that garage for sure.

[solstice]

No offense but shocked is just the wrong adjective here. I'll happily take surprised.
The only time I've been "shocked" by the power in a wheeled vehicle was the first time I rode a competition two-stroke motocross bike. That was truly a shocking power delivery for me. And I rode a GSX-R 1100 at the time which was fast but my gawd it was nothing like the ferociousness of that mad motocross bike.

[Diver]

An animal, I suppose he meant a beast.

[RealStig]

Originally Posted by KennyPowers

true the speculation is getting old, and it would be nice to get more real data

that said, its equally amazing to me how someone could get less interested in a car based on the amount of marketing (which is no different than any other carmaker at this time, marketing is extremely popular these days)

I am interested in the car because I think it will be awesome. not because it is or isn't marketed a lot. those things have zero to do with how the car will perform and what it looks like (seen it in person)

jmo

Fair enough, but the previous generation M3/M5/M6 did not have anywhere near the amount of marketing/hype this new car does so for a seasoned M veteran, I can see a valid point in his argument.

[Real Deal]

Originally Posted by RealStig

Fair enough, but the previous generation M3/M5/M6 did not have anywhere near the amount of marketing/hype this new car does so for a seasoned M veteran, I can see a valid point in his argument.

I have yet to see a commercial on TV... So where are the hype? Corporate? Sure that is normal, BMW websites? Well duh!! It's a business, businesses change and adapt to what's around them. Different times, different marketing crew and mind set...