$10,000 worth of damage from a curb

[RickFLM4]

Originally Posted by nycaudioman

Wow, so both the MPSS's and Continental's on an M4 are so bad that even on a DRY non-icy road they can cause $10,000 of damage, just because of cold weather?

Is this unique to the M4? There are countless Audi, Porsche, etc. drivers that run summer tires on days below 50 degrees in the Northeast and I have not heard of them having problems on dry roads, but have seen it now a few times on the F82 board.

I'm ordering an M4 (live in CT/NYC) and am a bit nervous now. I have had xDrive BMWs for years.

Check Audizine B8 S4 for Audi examples.

[Draper]

Originally Posted by nycaudioman

Wow, so both the MPSS's and Continental's on an M4 are so bad that even on a DRY non-icy road they can cause $10,000 of damage, just because of cold weather?

Is this unique to the M4? There are countless Audi, Porsche, etc. drivers that run summer tires on days below 50 degrees in the Northeast and I have not heard of them having problems on dry roads, but have seen it now a few times on the F82 board.

I'm ordering an M4 (live in CT/NYC) and am a bit nervous now. I have had xDrive BMWs for years.

Look at the pics again...

AWD doesn't help if you're rolling around on concrete blocks.

[Kbueno]

The M suspension is light but bends like tooth picks when hit...seems like each corner impact is 10k (retail pricing). Don't ask me how I know.

[ptper]

Originally Posted by RickFLM4

Check Audizine B8 S4 for Audi examples.

This.

A good set of winter tires is a must imho. #dontfightscience

[Habber]

Originally Posted by nycaudioman

Wow, so both the MPSS's and Continental's on an M4 are so bad that even on a DRY non-icy road they can cause $10,000 of damage, just because of cold weather?

Is this unique to the M4? There are countless Audi, Porsche, etc. drivers that run summer tires on days below 50 degrees in the Northeast and I have not heard of them having problems on dry roads, but have seen it now a few times on the F82 board.

I'm ordering an M4 (live in CT/NYC) and am a bit nervous now. I have had xDrive BMWs for years.

Just pulled off winter here in Montreal running the Nokian Hakka's. Nothing to be nervous about. Respect the power and you'll be fine.

[MrSmartyPants]

Originally Posted by nycaudioman

Wow, so both the MPSS's and Continental's on an M4 are so bad that even on a DRY non-icy road they can cause $10,000 of damage, just because of cold weather?

Is this unique to the M4? There are countless Audi, Porsche, etc. drivers that run summer tires on days below 50 degrees in the Northeast and I have not heard of them having problems on dry roads, but have seen it now a few times on the F82 board.

I'm ordering an M4 (live in CT/NYC) and am a bit nervous now. I have had xDrive BMWs for years.

Running the contis here in Fairfield county. Dry only down to 20 ish. No issues, but you have to be respectful of the lower grip level. They still throw stones like mad too.

[dr.mba]

That's exactly why the M3 stays in the garage in the winter. I don't have a winter set hence the car is a spring/summer only vehicle. In Montreal we get alot of snow dumping and those summer MPSSs are not designed for the cold. Tires become hard rock and have 0 traction in the cold. Sorry for your troubles OP but hoping your car gets fixed ASAP

M

[Ian1973]

Originally Posted by nycaudioman

Wow, so both the MPSS's and Continental's on an M4 are so bad that even on a DRY non-icy road they can cause $10,000 of damage, just because of cold weather?

Is this unique to the M4? There are countless Audi, Porsche, etc. drivers that run summer tires on days below 50 degrees in the Northeast and I have not heard of them having problems on dry roads, but have seen it now a few times on the F82 board.

I'm ordering an M4 (live in CT/NYC) and am a bit nervous now. I have had xDrive BMWs for years.

Do you know how to drive? If you are "nervous" about a owning a car, then please buy a Prius.

[BMWM5NYC]

Originally Posted by jpics80

The road was dry, I turned into a parking lot and it was icy in the road. Had to pull the car back into the road so allow the tow driver to hook the car. I have the Continentals on.

So did you slide into the curb in the icy parking lot , or out on the "dry " road? The road in the background looks wet and prime for black ice. I only ask because on a dry road if you slid off and bent your suspension cause of your summer tires, there would have been a lot more accidents on that road cause I am sure there were plenty people without winter tires on that road that day. I am sorry you damaged your car. But I suspect there is more to this story than summer tires on a dry winter day.

[Habber]

Originally Posted by dr.mba

That's exactly why the M3 stays in the garage in the winter. I don't have a winter set hence the car is a spring/summer only vehicle. In Montreal we get alot of snow dumping and those summer MPSSs are not designed for the cold. Tires become hard rock and have 0 traction in the cold. Sorry for your troubles OP but hoping your car gets fixed ASAP

M

Not sure what part of Montreal you're from but we haven't had decent snow in 4-5 years. It's been more freezing rain.

[4everkidd]

Originally Posted by Railgun

This is why insurance rates skyrocket.

Exactly... I don't feel the least bit sorry for the OP

Drive to the conditions with the proper equipment.

Summer tires on icy roads; what the hell did you think would happen.

I just drove through a Horrible winter here in the Rockies on Hakka 8 studded without a lick of trouble.

[SD ///M4]

A few years ago the neighbor kid was driving his Mom's Maxima and had some friends in the car. We live on a cul-de-sac, with a large turnaround circle, and he was goofing around and hit the gas way too hard in the circle. Perfectly clear, sunny, San Diego day. He apparently hadn't learned about torque steer on a FWD car and drove the car directly into the curb. The Maxima was about 5-6 years old and the front suspension/drive train damage totaled the car. Bummer was, the car was going to be his as soon as his Mom's new car got delivered. After that, he had to earn his own money for his car.

[nycaudioma2]

I keep reading reviews on the M4 (mine is about to be ordered) stating that grip can be a real issue - especially with the rear swinging out. I'm coming from years of 3-series X-drives so this will be new for me.

But I keep wondering how much of this is summer vs. winter tires as opposed to the general lack of grip of the M4.

Is the lack of grip that I see in reviews really only relevant under wide open throttle? Or can it be an issue even during normal driving?

[RickFLM4]

Originally Posted by nycaudioman

I keep reading reviews on the M4 (mine is about to be ordered) stating that grip can be a real issue - especially with the rear swinging out. I'm coming from years of 3-series X-drives so this will be new for me.

But I keep wondering how much of this is summer vs. winter tires as opposed to the general lack of grip of the M4.

Is the lack of grip that I see in reviews really only relevant under wide open throttle? Or can it be an issue even during normal driving?

I live in FL. No snow and no snow tires. Came from AWD Audi. I have managed not to hit any curbs so I don't think it is an inherent problem with the car or something that happens spontaneously during normal driving with proper tires in normal weather. Driving aggressively without knowing how to control the car can result in hitting curbs. Using summer tires in cold weather can result in hitting curbs. Do both at the same time and you count on wrecking the car.

You can lose grip before getting to WOT from a standstill to answer your question.

[RickFLM4]

Originally Posted by SD ///M4

A few years ago the neighbor kid was driving his Mom's Maxima and had some friends in the car. We live on a cul-de-sac, with a large turnaround circle, and he was goofing around and hit the gas way too hard in the circle. Perfectly clear, sunny, San Diego day. He apparently hadn't learned about torque steer on a FWD car and drove the car directly into the curb. The Maxima was about 5-6 years old and the front suspension/drive train damage totaled the car. Bummer was, the car was going to be his as soon as his Mom's new car got delivered. After that, he had to earn his own money for his car.

Sucked for him but maybe not so bad for all the neighbors when he didn't get a car.

[RobC2]

Sorry to see this, hope you get it back on the road soon. The summer tire issue is a tough one here in NC. We don't get much snow, but it does get cold and we sometimes have ice. It was pretty cold yesterday and I opted to leave the M3 at home and take the GTI. I was surprised though how many people at work were riding on summers. I saw another M3, Cayman S, and M2 all on summers. I am pretty sure it was in the 30s in the morning, but did warm up later in the day.

[BavarianDevil]

What sucks is living in the Northeast. Why bother wasting money on a nice car that rarely sees a decent stretch of nice weather days. It's either raining, snowing, sleet, or the remains of some crap weather.

[///F80M3]

If you slid on a dry/wet road then u were going too fast. I drive my m3 with summer tires during winter and drive my jeep if there's snow on the roads. Summer tires on dry/wet roads are fine if u know how to drive.

[SD ///M4]

Originally Posted by nycaudioman

Wow, so both the MPSS's and Continental's on an M4 are so bad that even on a DRY non-icy road they can cause $10,000 of damage, just because of cold weather?

Is this unique to the M4? There are countless Audi, Porsche, etc. drivers that run summer tires on days below 50 degrees in the Northeast and I have not heard of them having problems on dry roads, but have seen it now a few times on the F82 board.

I'm ordering an M4 (live in CT/NYC) and am a bit nervous now. I have had xDrive BMWs for years.

This accident is not the fault of the tires, these are classified by Tire Rack as "High Performance Summer" tires. They are not "so bad that even on a DRY non-icy road they can cause $10,000 of damage, just because of cold weather", they are summer tires and don't grip as well in cold weather, even on a dry road. The tires didn't cause the damage, the damage resulted from hitting a curb, you are applying the wrong cause and effect.

Driving style also plays into this. If you are not taking the cold weather low grip factor into consideration, you put yourself at risk. Just because other drivers have not had a problem doesn't mean all drivers will not have a problem.

[BMWM5NYC]

Originally Posted by ///F80M3

If you slid on a dry/wet road then u were going too fast. I drive my m3 with summer tires during winter and drive my jeep if there's snow on the roads. Summer tires on dry/wet roads are fine if u know how to drive.

My M5 stays on Summers here in NYC as well, Been doing it for 30 years and have not slid off the road, Snowy and Icy days I keep the car in the garage. But on dry or rainy days I drive it all year round and dont hit anything. Hell I ride my ZX14 motorcycle to work all year round in rain and winter temps. Some people need to learn to adapt their driving styles to different types of weather.

[JonnyM3]

I drove my e90 M on Summer's during an unexpected blizzard 15 miles back home. Ended up getting stuck in my street as there was a hill, but didn't hit a curb. Learn to drive the car you own, 3 weeks ago a yas M4 tried to out run me in my c300 onto an entrance ramp. He almost hit the curb as he tank slapped by over correcting all the while my measly c300 on PSS stayed planted right behind him. I know, cool story bro, but it blows my mind seeing all these owners/future owners scared of the car they bought. The car won't make you hit a curb, your lack of experience pushing a high powered RWD car will.

[Dinh335]

Sorry OP, glad you're okay.

The "this is why i have a truck for the winter" or the "why live in the northeast" comments crack me up.

So because you might slide into a curb because of not having the proper tires, you will buy a whole extra car?

If you you prefer to have another car that's great, no issue there. But to make it out like its the smarter choice is baffling.

Just drive carefully, and suit the m3 with proper tires, and enjoy it year round.