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I am thinking once the G80 is revealed and orders are placed that will be the end of that. It likely only exists currently due to the out of production factor but also the official M3 nomenclature.
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You got a good deal. That is a fair price for what you got...not a screaming deal, but fair.
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01-16-2020, 04:22 PM | #72 |
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Decided to keep my M4, and put a little money in, added carbon fiiber mirror cover and spoiler (breaks up white), spacers on order and MHD Tune to be installed.
Porsches do hold value. My 2007 Carrera S had msrp of 100k, worth about 40k now, more than my 16 M4.
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01-17-2020, 12:37 AM | #73 |
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They are coming out with newer 2020 m4's with touch screen. The m4 can be bought for in the 30k range. Which is what I wanted for my m3. But couldnt find that price range. Eventually bought a zcp with hud. It's so nice.
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My 2018 M3 has a touch screen. Nothing new there.
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This is something I've said before - but I think I actually mean it this time - I think i'm going to keep this car for a while. As others have mentioned, at some point I can see myself getting a second car and modding the s*** outta this thing to have as a track car or speeding ticket machine.
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In every single generation M car, if you want good resale value you need to go light on options and get the manual. 15 years after production the cars everyone wants are cloth seats, minimal options, manual |
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01-17-2020, 03:00 PM | #78 |
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I agree cloth and manual but even still in the cars lifecycle those are desirable. I remember in the e46 M days I lusted over the cloth but needed up with leather . And even SMG e46s are being converted to 6MTs to this day.
If I did get another f80 today I would want manual w/carbon structure. |
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This is probably true but we are relying on E46 data that involves SMG, not dct
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E9X information is identical to E46M and the E9X had a wonderful DCT
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01-17-2020, 04:03 PM | #83 |
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I'm not sure what you mean
If right now you look for E9Xs with less than 60k miles and for less than 30k, almost every single one is DCT. Here are the links if you don't believe me E9X: https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-...us=0#486275786 F8X: https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-...&firstRecord=0 Just like in every generation M car, DCT/SMG/Auto/whatever_is_not_manual depreciates way faster Right now if you look for cheap E46Ms they almost invariably are SMG Right now if you look for cheap E9XMs they almost invariably are DCT Right now if you look for cheap F8XMs they almost invariable are DCT Do you see where this is going? Does anyone care to guess what is going to happen with the G8X? My CS is DCT and so is my E90 stroker. I love DCT. That doesn't change the fact that the DCT cars would be worth a lot more if they were manual. Fortunately I have a manual E92 as well. |
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E92 Manual is significantly more RARE but not significantly more expensive than the E92 DCT. Manuals also have less mileage for many reasons. Used price difference is about a 33% difference. I bought and sold my E92 M3 6MT at a great time, I ended up earning ~$4000 CAD after 3 years of ownership, but the prices now are slowly dropping. By the time E9X M3's were released, manuals were already dying and only true car enthusiasts would get one. *EDIT* Actually, looking at the prices today for the first time in a whole year, DCT price average is 31k and 6MT price average is 36k. Less than 15%. Hard to say for F8X platform, but my guess would be that in 7 years (2008 m3 is 12 years old, 2015 m4 + 12 years is 2027(2027-2020=7), the price difference will be even less between a DCT F8X and a manual F8X, I want to say at most a 20% difference. The whole manual thing is phasing out, a higher number of next generation used M3/M4 owners will actually prefer a DCT. These "kids" grew up in an era where DCT = faster, versus back then when manual = faster. Electric cars are becoming very popular as well, and let's face it, this will only drop the value of all gas-powered cars. I know one thing for sure though, avoid convertibles if you're thinking about resell value.
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" the cars everyone wants are cloth seats, minimal options, manual"
Simply not true. 10 people want an M3/M4, 7 want dct and 3 want manual. However, manual supply is half that of dct so manuals hold value a little bit better because of supply and demand, not because this is what "everyone" wants. Plus lightly optioned cars always go cheaper.
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My Florida based car retailer has 9 M3/M4s:
M3s: 2017 Manual 44k 2017 Manual 43k 2016 DCT 42k 2016 DCT 39k M4s: 2017 Coupe DCT 44k 2017 Coupe DCT 42k 2017 Coupe DCT 43k 2016 Vert DCT 40k 2016 Vert DCT 40k https://www.offleaseonly.com/
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The F series around here, and as well as nationwide from what I've seen, the manuals are almost always lower priced because they are harder to move. I don't expect this to change over time. |
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But regarding the comments on the E46 M3 SMG vs 6MT values. I also think the thing that really hurt the SMG value vs 6MT (and why you see quite a few 6MT conversions) is the poor reliability of the SMG. The SMG pump, which is the heart of the SMG, have not fared well over the years and are still ridiculously expensive to this day. The DCT in the F8x appears to be more reliable transmission tech.....
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