Carwow drops the video everyone wants to see

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This is the video I wanted to see

[MisterF80M3]

Surprising that the M440i is .1 second slower than the F82

[Slowphiveo]

Originally Posted by MisterF80M3

Surprising that the M440i is .1 second slower than the F82

Eh not really, AWD. Really hard to compete with in a dig. I'm actually surprised the F82 pulled it out over the m440i in the quarter.

Basically the new M4 is only marginally quicker in the quarter and basically even in a roll.
None of which makes up for its hideous looks in my opinion. What can be inferred from all of this is that when the G8x gets AWD it will be a dig king, but probably do even worse on the move....and still be sinfully ugly. Thanks Carwow for helping to confirm what I suspected.

[deeldoo]

As expected, whatever the power gain is becomes ultimately nullified by a much much weaker gearbox.

Sorry to all the G8X fanboys a ZF8 in 2021 is vastly inferior to a DCT from 2014, and i am talking a massive gap, they aren't even in the same ball park.

The gap in the transmissions is about equivalent in comparing a 330i to a full on M car.

I hope this puts the gearbox conversation to rest, it isn't close.

[Slowphiveo]

The excuses are already rolling on the G8x forum...bottom line these cars, in real human hands are very close.

[R N M]

Originally Posted by deeldoo

As expected, whatever the power gain is becomes ultimately nullified by a much much weaker gearbox.

Sorry to all the G8X fanboys a ZF8 in 2021 is vastly inferior to a DCT from 2014, and i am talking a massive gap, they aren't even in the same ball park.

The gap in the transmissions is about equivalent in comparing a 330i to a full on M car.

I hope this puts the gearbox conversation to rest, it isn't close.

That and also the weight gain which was obvious in brake test that F82 won handily.

[Taco_Bueno]

Cool so the G8x is heavier, no faster, uglier, and more expensive than the f8x.

As expected

[CanAutM3]

A little too much F8X self indulgence going on in this thread. All those that believe that the G8X isn't faster than the F8X in a straight line are kidding themeselves.

[2011ninja]

Originally Posted by Slowphiveo

The excuses are already rolling on the G8x forum...bottom line these cars, in real human hands are very close.

The Tesla put 0 to 60 and 1/4 mile times to bed!

Never thought the G80 would be a big difference to F80 performance wise.

I'm not a G80 fanatic. I'm interested in the smoother ride and more luxurious experience.

I'm going for the 6MT anyway...

DCT is the performance bench Mark for sure!

The automatic was intended to make the M3 smoother. They compensated by adding power.

I'm still getting the G80 because it's the latest and greatest M3!

[Slowphiveo]

Originally Posted by 2011ninja

The Tesla put 0 to 60 and 1/4 mile times to bed!

Never thought the G80 would be a big difference to F80 performance wise.

I'm not a G80 fanatic. I'm interested in the smoother ride and more luxurious experience.

I'm going for the 6MT anyway...

DCT is the performance bench Mark for sure!

The automatic was intended to make the M3 smoother. They compensated by adding power.

I'm still getting the G80 because it's the latest and greatest M3!

At the end of the day, thats all that matters. If you like it and are happy with it then you are winning. I was more picking on the spec sheet racers who quote magazine stats and course times, mostly done by trained pro drivers. In the hands of mere mortals...and on public streets (where 95% of these cars will be driven and never see a track) no one is gonna see the performance difference in these two cars. So it really comes down to aesthetics, road feel and tech.

[SD ///M4]

Brake test at ~7:47: "Maybe if I didn't have two massive coffins stuck on the front..."

[MisterF80M3]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

A little too much F8X self indulgence going on in this thread. All those that believe that the G8X isn't faster than the F8X in a straight line are kidding themeselves.

I thought you didn't care about straight-line performance? "An M3 has never been and never will be about straight-line performance."

Also, remember how I said the extra weight on the G8X is negligible and you were giving me so much heat about it. I guess you were wrong.


Nürburgring Supertest lap times:

E36 M3: 8:35
E46 M3: 8:22
E46 M3 CSL: 7:50
E92 M3: 8:05
E92 M3 GTS: 7:49
F82 M4: 7:52
F82 M4 GTS: 7:37
F82 M4 CS: 7:42
G82 M4 Comp: 7:28-7:29

[Sassicaia]

Wow surprised to see the e46 csl is faster than the f82.

CSL was so awesome

[maddmatth]

Originally Posted by deeldoo

Sorry to all the G8X fanboys a ZF8 in 2021 is vastly inferior to a DCT from 2014, and i am talking a massive gap, they aren't even in the same ball park.

2014? Try 2007. I think the changes from the E90 series DCT have been pretty minor

It does suck to lose the DCT. I'm impressed it even beat the auto in the kick-down test. I thought the auto would win in situations where it had to skip multiple gears!

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by MisterF80M3

I thought you didn't care about straight-line performance? "An M3 has never been and never will be about straight-line performance."

Also, remember how I said the extra weight on the G8X is negligible and you were giving me so much heat about it. I guess you were wrong.


Nürburgring Supertest lap times:

E36 M3: 8:35
E46 M3: 8:22
E46 M3 CSL: 7:50
E92 M3: 8:05
E92 M3 GTS: 7:49
F82 M4: 7:52
F82 M4 GTS: 7:37
F82 M4 CS: 7:42
G82 M4 Comp: 7:28-7:29

I do not care about acceleration from a dig, but I do care about acceleration from a roll.

The weight increase of the G82 over my current M4cs is not negligible.

Those ‘ring lap times for the G8X you posted are just speculation at this stage.

I have not changed my opinion.

[Tecnniqe]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

I do not care about acceleration from a dig, but I do care about acceleration from a roll.

The weight increase of the G8X over my current M4cs is not negligible.

Those 'ring lap times for the G8X you posted are just speculation at this stage.

I have not changed my opinion.

Wait, those numbers isn't real so we're having an argument based on tales of someone's ass then?

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by Tecnniqe

Wait, those numbers isn't real so we're having an argument based on tales of someone's ass then?

Yup!

[Tecnniqe]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

Yup!

G8X will probably do well on the ring since there are some nice straights to show some HP benefits.

[Mr. Hankey]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

I do not care about acceleration from a dig, but I do care about acceleration from a roll.

The weight increase of the G82 over my current M4cs is not negligible.

Those ‘ring lap times for the G8X you posted are just speculation at this stage.

I have not changed my opinion.

F8X does great from a roll as evidenced here and in the other numbers published (C&D). Take those heavy 666M rims off the F8X and I think that would make much more difference. M440 impressive, I mean if 0-60 from a dig is your thing is the price delta to the G8X M worth it? (I know the rest of the car is, but I will be keeping my F80 unless they come out with some cool G8Xcs that is clearly a step above of this thing)....

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by Tecnniqe

G8X will probably do well on the ring since there are some nice straights to show some HP benefits.

And it will most likely be fitted with optional new gen PSC2.

[MikeCH]

Originally Posted by MisterF80M3

I thought you didn't care about straight-line performance? "An M3 has never been and never will be about straight-line performance."

Also, remember how I said the extra weight on the G8X is negligible and you were giving me so much heat about it. I guess you were wrong.


Nürburgring Supertest lap times:

E36 M3: 8:35
E46 M3: 8:22
E46 M3 CSL: 7:50
E92 M3: 8:05
E92 M3 GTS: 7:49
F82 M4: 7:52
F82 M4 GTS: 7:37
F82 M4 CS: 7:42
G82 M4 Comp: 7:28-7:29

Oficial Nurburgring times:

F82 M4: 7:48
F82 M4 GTS: 7:27
F82 M4 CS: 7:38

AFAIK there is no G82 M4 official time yet.

[2011ninja]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

And it will most likely be fitted with optional new gen PSC2.

Elephant in the room....

I say the real winner is the M440i

I just personally have to have the G80