F82 at Buttonwillow CW #13

[dogbone]

I have a question for the OP: Was the data in your first post from your fast lap of the day? Or at least one of your more hard-driven laps?

[nicknaz]

Didn't the Platte Forme AG F80 M3 do 1.51.xx on Maxxis (Street?) tires, full interior, some aero and suspension mods?

Not sure how to compare Hoosiers/alignment vs. Maxxis/suspension/aero but OP's claim seems at least feasible

By the way, OP posted a screenshot of the M laptimer output showing the 1.49.xxx ... is everyone just thinking he photoshopped that?

EDIT: slightly off topic but MasterC17's thread of his car at the Glen and others commenting that his laps are similar to prepped race cars suggests to me that in the right hands the F8X with tires and minor suspension mods is fast/very capable.. (But maybe without a vid, MasterC17s claim would have been similarly questions)

[okusa]

Originally Posted by nicknaz

Didn't the Platte Forme AG F80 M3 do 1.51.xx on Maxxis (Street?) tires, full interior, some aero and suspension mods?

Not sure how to compare Hoosiers/alignment vs. Maxxis/suspension/aero but OP's claim seems at least feasible

By the way, OP posted a screenshot of the M laptimer output showing the 1.49.xxx ... is everyone just thinking he photoshopped that?

EDIT: slightly off topic but MasterC17's thread of his car at the Glen and others commenting that his laps are similar to prepped race cars suggests to me that in the right hands the F8X with tires and minor suspension mods is fast/very capable.. (But maybe without a vid, MasterC17s claim would have been similarly questions)

They did, which is, in part, what intrigues me about OP's claim of 1:49:6.

Here's a link to the Platte Forme post: http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1081654

As you will notice, their mod list is quite extensive and in no way comparable to OP's "Hoosiers/alignment":

APR front splitter customized by Platte Forme a.g.
APR swan neck wing customized by Platte Forme a.g.
AR Design catless down pipes
Brembo Gran Turismo 380mm front and rear brake kit with type-3 discs
BMW Performance front spoiler
BMW Performance carbon splitter
Burger Motorsport JB4
Ground Control camber caster plates customized by Platte Forme a.g.
Ground Control sway bar end links
Ground Control rear height adjusters
JRZ RS Pro 2-way dampers set-up by Platte Forme a.g.
Sabelt GT-130 race seats
Volk Racing ZE40 wheels

Further, I believe their car was driven by Riff who is a VERY skilled driver. Again, this is vs OP who claims it was his first time to BW.

No, I don't think that OP photoshopped his M laptimer output. I simply requested that OP post his data. He clearly has it, but for some reason doesn't feel like sharing it.

There is no question "that in the right hands the F8X with tires and minor suspension mods is fast/very capable." But not that capable. How could OP be significantly FASTER (yes 2 seconds on 13CW at those speeds is significant) than the Platte Forme car with that extensive mod list and a great driver?????

[nicknaz]

I saw that mod list and i read "show car parts (splitter etc)", dampers, maxxis tires. Maybe i'm missing something on the aero add ons.

I personally would take alignment, hoosiers and brake pad changes.

I dont know the OP or Platte Forme.

OP posting more data would be great. Maybe a vid of lap timer app which doesnt show the line anyway?

Edit: full disclosure okusa, i saw you had an E90 m3 and rightly or wrongly attributed your skepticism regarding f80 track capability

[dogbone]

Ok, I'll tell you why I asked my question above. The reason is: In his first post, looking at the data he provided from his data acquisition device, there's an average speed shown: 77.63 mph. His data calculates the length of the track at 2.732 miles. That's some pretty simple math to find the lap time.

His lap time from his own data equates to a------ready?------2:06.7. ummm that's 17 seconds slower than he's claiming.

Now, he might say that the picture of the data he provided wasn't his fastest lap. Well, why would you show up on a forum claiming to want to talk data and then provide graphs and charts showing G-Forces and acceleration of a garbage 2:06 lap if you have a track record lap in your data banks? I'm guessing this was his best lap of the day, which would be just fine for a first time at Buttonwillow.

But I can assure everyone reading this of one thing. The OP did not show up at Buttonwillow for the first time ever and run faster than EVERY OTHER street legal M3/M4 in the history of the track with a full interior and no aero. Because that's what he's claiming. His claim would make him the track record holder------his first time at the track. What do you think the chances are of that? If you go look at his YouTube page, there are no other track videos…..I'm not sensing a pro race car driver here---and that's what it would take to go even close to the speeds he's talking about---not that it's even possible at all……again, he would hold the track record for a street legal, non-aero, full interior M3-----BY MANY MANY SECONDS----his first time at the track.

Cody Kishel is an EXCELLENT driver. He shames people wherever he goes with his driving talent. He is very very fast. He's attend several race schools. He's considered racing in some serious race series. He showed up to Buttonwillow with a showroom stock F80 M3 and ran 2:03. I will accept that as generically the benchmark time of a stock F8x M3 at Buttonwillow 13CW. The OP DID NOT go 14 seconds faster on 10 session-old R6 with full interior and no aero. That is statistically impossible. Not enough grip, power, aero or weight reduction to even get close.

I could go on and on. And if the OP comes back, I'm happy to share more thoughts.

But right now, in my book, the OP is good for a 2:06. THAT time would be reasonable and within expectations for an enthusiast driver's first time at Buttonwillow using Hoosier R6 and race pads.

[nicknaz]

[okusa]

Originally Posted by nicknaz

Edit: full disclosure okusa, i saw you had an E90 m3 and rightly or wrongly attributed your skepticism regarding f80 track capability

Yes, I have an E90 M3 (it's in my sig), but you totally mischaracterized my skepticism. My skepticism is based on the fact that it is impossible for OP in any M, in the history of Ms, to go 1:49 on BW 13CW with OP's mods. In fact, I'll go a step further. It is impossible for OP to even go 1:54 with OP's mods... and that's being very generous.

[MasterC17]

While I would agree that without evidence the OP's claimed lap time is useless information, don't underestimate how much better the F8X is than the E9X, or any generation prior for that matter. Trust me, I know. I put $50k in parts and 100's of hours of labor into a fully prepped E46 M3 Race car and my F80 is basically as fast around Watkins Glen with minimal mods (ones that actually make any difference anyway). Don't be surprised to see modded F8X's blowing away other 'fast' cars.

[M3 Number 86]

is the op the same person who ran a 1:49 at autoclub speedway? I don't think anyone can match their acs laptime at buttonwillow.

I run 2:01 at bw and 1:55 at acs. in an e90.

[AM4ZING]

11 seconds faster than a pretty much stock car besides Pagid race pads and Toyo R888 tires?
.... woah you must be a disgusting driver

[nicknaz]

seems like 2 minutes is stock s2000 with street tires and aftermarket dampers

I would hope we can do better than in the F8x with better tires/brake pads/alignment, or I got the wrong car and need to switch away from BMW and go back to cheap japanese track day toys

[dogbone]

Originally Posted by nicknaz

seems like 2 minutes is stock s2000 with street tires and aftermarket dampers

I would hope we can do better than in the F8x with better tires/brake pads/alignment, or I got the wrong car and need to switch away from BMW and go back to cheap japanese track day toys

Ah, but Ryan is a very fast driver in that S2000. He's worked quite hard at that. His 1:59 wasn't a lazy daisy lap that anyone could do. In fact, he's claiming that as a track record for that configuration of car. (He used to track an E90 M3 but switched to S2000 for lower cost consumables).

As I said before, from seeing Cody's times in a showroom stock F80 M3, I think a reasonable benchmark baseline stock-setup time is a 2:03. Put R6 or TD and pads and brake fluid and I think 1:58 is certainly doable, even 1:57. (minicorsa is an excellent driver and he's right at 2:00 in his M4 and he is mostly stock with pads and Hard compound TD) But regardless, 1:58, 1:57, even 1:56-----that's still a FAR CRY from 1:49, which a mostly stock M3 cannot do.

[okusa]

Originally Posted by brian99997

Anyway, I'm not trying to say I'm faster than any of you and have no interest in competing with you for a record in a street car.

Originally Posted by SakhirM4

Is this really necesssary???

Originally Posted by FTS

we are acting as if we are after track records and the final paying seat with RLL team. I really don't think it is necessary to take the conversation to this level. Believe it or not, put your view and move on IMO.

After a few days of reflecting on this post and discussing it with others (primarily dogbone) I admit that I went a little rough on OP. So OP, I apologize for that. I certainly did not intend to bully you off your own thread.

That said, I and many other forum members have been running BW 13CW for a long time, posting verified data and lap times for a long time and working hard to improve upon those lap times for a long time. So, when someone comes along and claims to be able to run more than 10 seconds faster than anyone else with a similar setup in the history of BW 13CW, it rubs me the wrong way. Not in an actual competition sense, but in the sense that I and everyone else have both doing something (most everything really) incredibly wrong and needs to change virtually everything they are doing. But then on top of that, OP both continues to be extremely evasive in his responses refuses to acknowledge he simply made a mistake. It's not that I and every other responder here don't know he made a mistake, it's that he simply refuses to acknowledge that simple fact, and he refuses to do so to the extent that I almost start questioning that fact. Almost...but not quite.

[SakhirM4]

Originally Posted by okusa

After a few days of reflecting on this post and discussing it with others (primarily dogbone) I admit that I went a little rough on OP. So OP, I apologize for that. I certainly did not intend to bully you off your own thread.

That said, I and many other forum members have been running BW 13CW for a long time, posting verified data and lap times for a long time and working hard to improve upon those lap times for a long time. So, when someone comes along and claims to be able to run more than 10 seconds faster than anyone else with a similar setup in the history of BW 13CW, it rubs me the wrong way. Not in an actual competition sense, but in the sense that I and everyone else have both doing something (most everything really) incredibly wrong and needs to change virtually everything they are doing. But then on top of that, OP both continues to be extremely evasive in his responses refuses to acknowledge he simply made a mistake. It's not that I and every other responder here don't know he made a mistake, it's that he simply refuses to acknowledge that simple fact, and he refuses to do so to the extent that I almost start questioning that fact. Almost...but not quite.

Nice apology I apologize, but .....

[okusa]

Originally Posted by SakhirM4

Nice apology I apologize, but .....

I knew my wife has been trolling me on bimmerpost! Now I finally know her forum name.

The apology was for the chosen language and tone, not the message ma'am.

[SakhirM4]

Originally Posted by okusa

I knew my wife has been trolling me on bimmerpost! Now I finally know her forum name.

The apology was for the chosen language and tone, not the message ma'am.

I am a long way from being a ma'am and I would never be YOUR wife.

[SupremePower1]

Let's play nice everyone. So when can we get all these cars back at Buttonwillow to show and prove? Speed District is hosting this Saturday @ Buttonwillow and Sunday @ Willow Springs....Anyone in?

[Dr Jekyll]

Anyone here who even thinks that 1:49 at Buttonwillow (13CW) on an otherwise stock M4 with Hoosiers is possible does not understand how bold this claim is.

[dc640]

Originally Posted by Dr Jekyll

Anyone here who even thinks that 1:49 at Buttonwillow (13CW) on an otherwise stock M4 with Hoosiers is possible does not understand how bold this claim is.

BOLD statement indeed... We just want to see video of the flying lap. What event was this? if OP really did it w stock m4 w hoho... I'm quitting.. Selling all my stuff and going to suck my thumb in the corner.

[Vectors2final]

Originally Posted by brian99997

How about 1:39.69 around Laguna Seca? Roughly SLS, R8 v10, ZR1, GT3, Turbo S, GTR territory..

That is the posted time.

Not bad posting a top 40 time at a place like that.

[M3ANMACHINE]

This has BS written all over it. Sub-2 seconds is quick at BW, and Sub 1:50 is blisteringly fast.

And FYI, that platteforme car is FAST as hell along with an equally as FAST driver

[TheKosherStogie]

I would be beyond impressed if so... I agree with doggone and the others....

I know Billy Johnson ran 1:50 in a Mclaren 12c w/ updated tune (616hp) on P Zero Corsa tires.
I ran a 1:58 in my 991 Carrera GTS stock on P zero (non corsa)
Couple 991 GT3s around 1:54 on Dunlop 80 treadwear tires

so 1:49 on just slicks in an M3 would be....