04-13-2014, 10:14 AM | #45 | ||
Second Lieutenant
4
Rep 202
Posts |
Quote:
__________________
|
||
Appreciate
0
|
04-13-2014, 10:24 AM | #46 | |
Brigadier General
594
Rep 4,488
Posts |
Quote:
Interesting catch that the Ultimate Service note about CCBs has been removed, though. I'm not sure that's an actual change in policy, but even if it is, BMW could again claim (correctly) that on a car driven on the street shouldn't need CCB rotors or pads within the Ultimate Service 50K miles, and probably not even the Extended Maintenance period, and therefore that if a car comes in needing service, chances are that the car is being used for more than street driving, which in turn wouldn't be covered. So the CCB service exclusion could simply be implicit rather than explicit now.
__________________
'16 Cayman GT4 (delivery pics, comparison to E92 M3 write-up)
Gone but not forgotten: '11.75 M3 E92 Le Mans | Black Nov w/ Alum | 6MT (owned 5/2011 - 11/2015) |
|
Appreciate
1
|
04-13-2014, 11:03 AM | #47 |
Captain
363
Rep 781
Posts
Drives: 2013 328i E92 LMB
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Brooklyn
|
Cool read. Learned a few things I didn't know.
__________________
BMW CCA Member# 481791 Current: 2013 E92 328i LMB/Saddle Brown (1 of 21 for E92 LCI in that combo), 2018 F31 330xi AW/Saddle Brown Sold: 2011 1M BS/Black, 2008 E90 328xi AW/Beige, 2001 E46 330xi SG/Black |
Appreciate
0
|
04-13-2014, 11:04 AM | #48 | |
Captain
409
Rep 977
Posts |
Quote:
|
|
Appreciate
0
|
04-13-2014, 11:19 AM | #49 | |
Private
11
Rep 98
Posts |
Quote:
For Porsche, it specifically states that the cars should not be fitted with R compound tires for track use as the lateral Gs will be too high for non-dry sump engines, and the damage to the engine will not be covered. This disclaimer is missing from the GT3 warranty as it has a dry sump engine. |
|
Appreciate
0
|
04-13-2014, 11:24 AM | #50 |
General
21117
Rep 20,741
Posts
Drives: 2021 911 turbo
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Montreal
|
Maybe because it is the first time they have callipers worthy of the ///M logo
Last edited by CanAutM3; 04-14-2014 at 11:07 AM.. |
Appreciate
0
|
04-13-2014, 11:48 AM | #51 | |
Brigadier General
594
Rep 4,488
Posts |
Quote:
Granted, the wording makes it ambiguous as to whether the warranty won't cover wear and tear due to any race track use or just competitive motorsports, which aren't always the same. But here's Page 1 out of the 2011 M3/1M Service and Warranty book: The "provided wear and tear exceeds BMW wear limits" is the weasel-out clause. That means that if you don't make your stuff last at least as long as BMW thinks it should last, you're not covered. Granted, the wording is awkward here too, but the alternative interpretation (that the wear rate must be FASTER than BMW specified limits) doesn't make any sense at all, since BMW would then be saying, "We won't replace your brake pads if they lasted longer than we expected them to." And then of course there's the bullet point at the bottom excluding competitive events -- which granted you could argue wouldn't apply to HPDEs, but they've already got that covered with the weasel-out clause. Did you honestly believe that BMW would give their track-going owners unlimited brake pads and rotors for the first 4 years/50K miles? Of course people who just go to a couple track days per year could probably keep their Ultimate Service coverage since novices running infrequently at the track would still likely have wear within BMW's limits, but that would never work for more regular track-goers. But it's also probably moot in the real world anyway. The rotors are designed to last long enough that even people who DO go to the track would probably only need one set of new rotors during the Ultimate Service window, and NO track person would run the stock pads at the track beyond maybe their first event or two. But BMW is of course still going to cover their bases.
__________________
'16 Cayman GT4 (delivery pics, comparison to E92 M3 write-up)
Gone but not forgotten: '11.75 M3 E92 Le Mans | Black Nov w/ Alum | 6MT (owned 5/2011 - 11/2015) Last edited by jphughan; 04-13-2014 at 12:16 PM.. |
|
Appreciate
0
|
04-13-2014, 12:23 PM | #52 | |
General
21117
Rep 20,741
Posts
Drives: 2021 911 turbo
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Montreal
|
Quote:
As far as being covered for track days and HPDE, the term "competitive events" is very specific. Track days and HPDEs are not considered competitive events. Last edited by CanAutM3; 04-13-2014 at 12:31 PM.. |
|
Appreciate
0
|
04-13-2014, 12:35 PM | #53 | |
Brigadier General
594
Rep 4,488
Posts |
Quote:
I'm not arguing that HPDEs could be construed as "competitive motorsports". I'm just pointing out that in the warranty coverage, the wording makes it unclear whether they're excluding only competitive motorsports or any driving on a race track. They claim that race track usage results in a higher rate of wear, then mention that the M3 isn't designed for competitive motorsports (not the same thing), then say that "this wear is not covered by the warranty". So what does the "this wear" refer to? The increased wear they mentioned was the type of wear incurred from (general) race track usage, but the sentence immediately prior pertained only to competitive motorsports, and made no specific mention of wear rates. So it's a bit ambiguous.
__________________
'16 Cayman GT4 (delivery pics, comparison to E92 M3 write-up)
Gone but not forgotten: '11.75 M3 E92 Le Mans | Black Nov w/ Alum | 6MT (owned 5/2011 - 11/2015) |
|
Appreciate
0
|
04-13-2014, 12:36 PM | #54 |
Banned
3773
Rep 6,673
Posts |
Great read. Thanks!
"Material-specific properties mean that increased operational noise may be experienced when braking, particularly in wet conditions, just before the vehicle comes to a halt. However, this does not affect the brakes' performance, operational safety or stability." That explains the persistent low speed squeal in f30 M Sport pads. |
Appreciate
0
|
04-13-2014, 12:44 PM | #55 | |
Private
11
Rep 98
Posts |
Quote:
|
|
Appreciate
0
|
04-13-2014, 12:46 PM | #56 | |
Private
11
Rep 98
Posts |
Quote:
|
|
Appreciate
0
|
04-13-2014, 01:00 PM | #57 |
General
21117
Rep 20,741
Posts
Drives: 2021 911 turbo
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Montreal
|
|
Appreciate
0
|
04-13-2014, 01:02 PM | #58 | |
Private
3
Rep 51
Posts |
Quote:
But remember 4.3K only get you parking sensors and headlight washers. |
|
Appreciate
0
|
04-13-2014, 01:04 PM | #59 | ||
General
21117
Rep 20,741
Posts
Drives: 2021 911 turbo
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Montreal
|
Quote:
Quote:
Last edited by CanAutM3; 04-13-2014 at 01:10 PM.. |
||
Appreciate
0
|
04-13-2014, 01:05 PM | #60 | ||
Brigadier General
1253
Rep 3,688
Posts
Drives: 2021 Supra 3.0 (Past: 2015 M23
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: San Francisco, CA
|
Quote:
__________________
|
||
Appreciate
0
|
04-13-2014, 01:05 PM | #61 |
Lieutenant Colonel
3834
Rep 1,672
Posts
Drives: M2 CS | M135i
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Swiss Alps
|
My M Perf pads squeal:
__________________
2020 M2 CS DCT
2021 M135i xDrive ex: 18 M3 DCT ZCP | 15 M3 DCT | 11 M3 Coupe 6MT ZCP | 07 M Coupe |
Appreciate
0
|
04-13-2014, 04:03 PM | #62 |
Colonel
501
Rep 2,391
Posts |
Since I am financing the car, Carbon Ceramic brakes wont make that much of a difference. Ive always wanted a BBK
__________________
Currently: 2019 991.2 GT3 RS Lizard - 2016 991.1 GT3 RS Lava - 2019 991.2 GTS
SOLD: 2022 BMW M5 Competition - 2016 GT3 RS UltraViolet -2018 GT3 Chalk - 2016 GT3 Lava - 2015 GT3 Guards Red - 2018 Audi RS7 - 2016 F80 M3 - 2015 GT3 Black - 2015 GT3 Carrara White - 2016 991.1 GTS - 2012 997.2 GTS Cabriolet - 2011 E92 M3 - 2006 E46 M3 |
Appreciate
0
|
04-13-2014, 07:57 PM | #63 |
Lieutenant
83
Rep 562
Posts
Drives: 2011 1M VO
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Chicago
|
|
Appreciate
0
|
04-14-2014, 11:01 AM | #65 | |
Captain
409
Rep 977
Posts |
Quote:
But the point is largely irrelevant: They will last the life of the car under normal use, so no money out of dealers pocket. And if you track the car, they will void the Maintenance program on the CCB, also no money out of dealers pocket. As for wear, I don't think anyone around here has worn them yet. The largest dealer that has sold CCB around here told me they have yet to replace a set of pads. That can mean anything tho (maybe the ppl that got CCB don't put many miles on their cars, maybe they got them done somewhere else, who knows) |
|
Appreciate
0
|
04-14-2014, 12:31 PM | #66 |
First Lieutenant
29
Rep 358
Posts |
Lol. My old GT3 was built for track duty. But if Porsche finds out that you track the car they will not honor the warranty.
__________________
'11 Porsche GT3 (Sold)
|
Appreciate
0
|
Post Reply |
Bookmarks |
|
|