BBS FI-R comparison by IND: 20" vs 19".

[ajag]

Originally Posted by Rossifumi

You don't buy the FI-R for the look, you buy it for the total concept (weight, looks, strength). So anyone really interested in the FI-R (or even FI) won't be happy with the CI-R because they weigh almost twice as much and are not as strong.

The only ones unhappy are the ones that bought the FI wheels for show and won't feel as cool anymore when people can buy the same look a lot cheaper.

+1 I've got a set of 20" black satin FI-Rs coming in and I would be shocked (and could care less) if anyone outside a car meet would even realize there's a difference between them and the FI or CI-R.

[Siciliano611]

Aren't the CI-R's literally a full 9-10 pounds heavier than 20" FI-R's? Thats terrible, and obviously the FI-R way worth the extra price

[Brosef]

Originally Posted by Rossifumi

You don't buy the FI-R for the look, you buy it for the total concept (weight, looks, strength). So anyone really interested in the FI-R (or even FI) won't be happy with the CI-R because they weigh almost twice as much and are not as strong.

The only ones unhappy are the ones that bought the FI wheels for show and won't feel as cool anymore when people can buy the same look a lot cheaper.

I disagree. the CI-R's look terrible and totally lack concavity. there are better looking wheels available from still reputable companies at that price point.

the FI's on the other hand, are not only the real deal intrinsically, but they also look the part. the only other wheel that comes close to matching its looks is the HRE P101.

[metrickid]

Originally Posted by Brosef

I disagree. the CI-R's look terrible and totally lack concavity. there are better looking wheels available from still reputable companies at that price point.

the FI's on the other hand, are not only the real deal intrinsically, but they also look the part. the only other wheel that comes close to matching its looks is the HRE P101.

Disagree with what?
I wasn't really making a case for the CI-R, quite the opposite.

[tha_good_life]

I need those BBS FI-R! Let's see what the 20s look like mounted!

[IND-Distribution]

The 18" 513M wheels with tires are 44.0 lbs front and 48.2 lbs rear.

The 19" 437M wheels with tires are 45.9 lbs front and 49.8 lbs rear.

The 20" BBS Fi-R with tires weigh in at 43.5 lbs front and 47.5 lbs rear!


Front:




Rear:

[brad850csi]

Could a set of 19" fronts and 20" rears be ordered?

[stylinexpat]

Originally Posted by Jesal@IND

The 18" 513M wheels with tires are 44.0 lbs front and 48.2 lbs rear.

The 19" 437M wheels with tires are 45.9 lbs front and 49.8 lbs rear.

The 20" BBS Fi-R with tires weigh in at 43.5 lbs front and 47.5 lbs rear!


Front:




Rear:

So with the stock 19" wheels vs the 19" BBS wheels the weight difference with tires is not that much.

[gthal]

Originally Posted by Bimmer-M3

With all respect, this argument is not valid. There is a difference between replica and real ones. BBS (not replicate company) created a very similar wheel pattern to BBS FI. It is still BBS. I didn't say MORR or BC forged who created the pattern...I hope you got my point

I think BBS CI-R will kill the market of BBS FI-R and to me thats big mistake from BBS..but to each own..

I respectfully, but COMPLETELY, disagree

Anyone in the market for a top of the line wheel and has the money to spend isn't interested in the CI-R even if it looks similar. Likewise, someone only wanting a "look" won't be interested in a top of the line wheel like the FI-R and spending that much money.

Put another way... anyone on a limited budget or only changing wheels for looks won't be in the market for an FI-R even if the CI-R didn't exist. Anyone who is in the market for a wheel of the calibre of the FI-R would never then consider the CI-R which is relatively heavy.

If anything, the CI-R will IMPROVE overall BBS sales... people who like the look of the FI-R but can't afford it might buy the CI-R. Anyone who wanted an FI-R would only buy the FI-R regardless. Why? They have the $$ and either want the quality or the bragging rights and the CI-R give them neither.

[X5-User]

Originally Posted by gthal

I respectfully, but COMPLETELY, disagree

Anyone in the market for a top of the line wheel and has the money to spend isn't interested in the CI-R even if it looks similar. Likewise, someone only wanting a "look" won't be interested in a top of the line wheel like the FI-R and spending that much money.

Put another way... anyone on a limited budget or only changing wheels for looks won't be in the market for an FI-R even if the CI-R didn't exist. Anyone who is in the market for a wheel of the calibre of the FI-R would never then consider the CI-R which is relatively heavy.

If anything, the CI-R will IMPROVE overall BBS sales... people who like the look of the FI-R but can't afford it might buy the CI-R. Anyone who wanted an FI-R would only buy the FI-R regardless. Why? They have the $$ and either want the quality or the bragging rights and the CI-R give them neither.

lol your argument is that if someone has the money wand want to spend it. Thats not a good way to argue. There are alot of people who has the money to buy 2x the FI-R but wont be spending the money on FI-R just because it is more expensive. With all respect that's dump. If the same company is making a cheaper version which look 90% of FI-R but a little heavy, why would someone (even if he can afford it) spend the money on much more expensive one? Unless he is looking for attention "Yes I can afford these" lol they are many people who don't track their M's so put that in your mind. They don't care if it is heavy or not

From enthusiasts point of view, both look good and similar.

[gthal]

Originally Posted by Bimmer-M3

lol your argument is that if someone has the money wand want to spend it. Thats not a good way to argue. There are alot of people who has the money to buy 2x the FI-R but wont be spending the money on FI-R just because it is more expensive. With all respect that's dump. If the same company is making a cheaper version which look 90% of FI-R but a little heavy, why would someone (even if he can afford it) spend the money on much more expensive one? Unless he is looking for attention "Yes I can afford these" lol they are many people who don't track their M's so put that in your mind. They don't care if it is heavy or not

From enthusiasts point of view, both look good and similar.

You missed my point... I agree that just because someone has the money doesn't mean they will, necessarily, spend it on FI-R wheels. What I'm saying is that people who want the quality of an FI-R won't care that there is a cheaper look-a-like. There will also be people who want the real FI-R simply because they CAN afford it. On the other hand, people who can't afford it or only want wheels for looks and don't care about quality and weight wouldn't buy FI-R's anyway.

Why would anyone in their right mind pay for FI-R if weight and quality were secondary considerations? There are many WAY less expensive wheels that look similar whether they are the heavy CI-R or something else. BBS making the CI-R wouldn't change anything for this group.

One last thing... they look similar... maybe... but the CI-R have no concavity and do not look as good. Weight difference is HUGE and would be noticeable in driving. CI-R's are NOT a replacement or alternative to the FI-R except for people who don't care about those things and for someone that does care, the CI-R is not a good option IMO.

[Acree]

Can someone please tell me the measurements on the 20" tires?

[M4 CSL]

Originally Posted by gthal

I respectfully, but COMPLETELY, disagree

Anyone in the market for a top of the line wheel and has the money to spend isn't interested in the CI-R even if it looks similar. Anyone who is in the market for a wheel of the calibre of the FI-R would never then consider the CI-R which is relatively heavy.

I agree.

Originally Posted by Bimmer-M3

With all respect, this argument is not valid. There is a difference between replica and real ones. BBS (not replicate company) created a very similar wheel pattern to BBS FI. It is still BBS. I didn't say MORR or BC forged who created the pattern...I hope you got my point

I think BBS CI-R will kill the market of BBS FI-R and to me thats big mistake from BBS..but to each own..

I disagree.

The wheels shall be the icing on the cake of my M4, after all other mods are done. I will either get BBS-FI-R most likely or less likely HRE P-101.

CI-R will never be a consideration.

[M4 CSL]

Originally Posted by Acree

Can someone please tell me the measurements on the 20" tires?

325/25/20 if I were going for 20's on Rear.

[ajag]

Originally Posted by M4 CSL

325/25/20 if I were going for 20's on Rear.

295/30/20 Rear, 265/30/20 front

[stressdoc]

Originally Posted by Bimmer-M3

lol your argument is that if someone has the money wand want to spend it. Thats not a good way to argue. There are alot of people who has the money to buy 2x the FI-R but wont be spending the money on FI-R just because it is more expensive. With all respect that's dump. If the same company is making a cheaper version which look 90% of FI-R but a little heavy, why would someone (even if he can afford it) spend the money on much more expensive one? Unless he is looking for attention "Yes I can afford these" lol they are many people who don't track their M's so put that in your mind. They don't care if it is heavy or not

From enthusiasts point of view, both look good and similar.

Your argument applies to 90% of the aftermarket wheel decisions.
But the BBS FI-R is in a different market. You don't buy the FI-R for looks. You buy them because you are a fanatic about unsprung weight and strength. The CI-R will sell more because it imitates the looks of the FI-R. But no one that is seriously considering a set of FI-R will comparison shop the CI-R. Indeed, I would be shocked if any M3 owner would downgrade from the stock wheels -- which are truly excellent and very light weight -- for the BBS CI-R.

A rare lucky few will go for the 8 lbs total reduction in unsprung weight with the 19" FI-R. I love these wheels, they are my favorites by far; but at $750 per lb. reduction I can't justify a new set. For the $ I would rather pick up a used BMW S1000r for a serious performance upgrade...

[X5-User]

Originally Posted by stressdoc

Your argument applies to 90% of the aftermarket wheel decisions.
But the BBS FI-R is in a different market. You don't buy the FI-R for looks. You buy them because you are a fanatic about unsprung weight and strength. The CI-R will sell more because it imitates the looks of the FI-R. But no one that is seriously considering a set of FI-R will comparison shop the CI-R. Indeed, I would be shocked if any M3 owner would downgrade from the stock wheels- which are truly excellent and very light weight -- for the BBS CI-R.

A rare lucky few will go for the 8 lbs total reduction in unsprung weight with the 19" FI-R. I love these wheels, they are my favorites by far; but at $750 per lb. reduction I can't justify a new set. For the $ I would rather pick up a used BMW S1000r for a serious performance upgrade...

Look at the M3 Photo/Gallery section...there are many installing them instead of stock wheels

[ajag]

Originally Posted by stylinexpat

So with the stock 19" wheels vs the 19" BBS wheels the weight difference with tires is not that much.

No, the 20" BBS FI-R wheels/tires are lighter by a small amount than the 18" 513M OEM! The difference between 19" FI-R and 19" 437M is very significant.

[Buddy Revell]

Originally Posted by Jesal@IND

The 18" 513M wheels with tires are 44.0 lbs front and 48.2 lbs rear.

The 19" 437M wheels with tires are 45.9 lbs front and 49.8 lbs rear.

The 20" BBS Fi-R with tires weigh in at 43.5 lbs front and 47.5 lbs rear!

Very cool info. Thanks!

[roastbeef]

any plans on making an 18x10.5?

[Tempe Mendoan]

Originally Posted by Rossifumi

[AMPowerJ]

I want a set of these for my incoming GT350.