Nov 2016 M3/M4 Competition Package change - 437M wheels now available

[vasi_M3]

Another example when something is not always better than nothing, even though BMW is trying to make you feel otherwise

[dmk08]

Originally Posted by Kara Zor-El

I wonder if the adaptive suspension will therefore be tuned differently or there will be no difference in tune between the 19s and 20s which means the tuned adaptive suspension was a lie from the beginning

Wasnt it tuned different due to the different springs/shocks not the wheels?

@DavidGP my stock 20" tires outperform the stock 19s on my 15. Just sayin.

[Falafel Combo]

Originally Posted by damnitBobby

Pretty pointless. A wise person would keep the 20's and then if they want the black 19's they could easily trade the 20's for the 19's plus cash in their pocket.

They really should refresh the 19's. A little change in the design would be nice and keep things different from the M2 wheels.

Not everyone wants to sell wheels and buy new tires to make a couple hundred bucks. It's a pretty ugly process to deal with.

In other news, I hate selling "used" stuff to people. Actually I just hate people. They're the worst! Especially when they want a deal on used wheels and tires.

Rather BMW do it for me.

[mshab356]

Originally Posted by damnitBobby

Pretty pointless. A wise person would keep the 20's and then if they want the black 19's they could easily trade the 20's for the 19's plus cash in their pocket.

They really should refresh the 19's. A little change in the design would be nice and keep things different from the M2 wheels.

Or offer the 20's in a GTS style scheme but with black.

[Fortyb]

Meehhh! the slight change should have been they were adding the carbon fiber spoiler and diffuser for free.. And also still make the wheels optional. That would have been an okay upgrade.

[Racer20]

Originally Posted by bb1857

There isn't a single person typing on this forum that could tell the difference in a blind test on a racetrack the difference between the 18/19/20" wheels. The amateur driving ability of everyone here can't string lap times consistent enough together to even tell if a 200lb weight was stuffed in the trunk.

BMW gives the whiners exactly what they are looking for because the ZCP is so awful in their mind and then they bitch and moan calling BMW scammers because they didn't get a wheel discount but they will happily piss away money on mods and $6 coffees.

Our society is fucked with a capital F because the only thing people consistently want anymore is WHAT THEY CAN'T HAVE so they've been trained to throw temper tantrums in public forums to make themselves feel better for 5 minutes. Enjoy whatever BMW you have and buy a roll a duct tape to cover your keyboard so we don't have to hear your whining!

This is completely untrue. There are many people on this forum who could easily tell. Count me as one of them, since it's my job. Lap times don't mean anything in this context. The difference in how the car behaves under braking, cornering, and near and just over the limit is something that can be felt by lots of amateur drivers with a moderate level of skill and experience.

[bb1857]

Dear god...BMW gives its owners something they've been asking for and those same bitchy people do what exactly....bitch some more.

Porsche does this and people fawn all over them like they've reinvented the car. take the 911R for example....lets take everything out of the car that makes it comfortable, pleasing to daily drive, and put in its place nothing or some lighter stuff. Oh and because we can after stripping the car of its bit and pieces we are going to double the price on you!! Yet P-car addicts will line up and praise Porsche for this which I think is cool because they are true enthusiasts.

So many BMW owners buy an M and then bitch about everything BMW does. Sadly because there are more M's on the road there are way less BMW enthusiasts that would applaud more options for us as consumers versus the bitchy whiny bunch that can't ever be happy and think they are always getting screwed. Falafel is right....people are the worst!

[DavidGP]

Originally Posted by dmk08

Wasnt it tuned different due to the different springs/shocks not the wheels?

@DavidGP my stock 20" tires outperform the stock 19s on my 15. Just sayin.

If you are referring to going from a '15 to ZCP, then the larger rear tires and a revised suspension will do that, adding to that a slight increase in power. Yes, the ZCP has a slight performance advantage with the sum of all parts. We are in agreement.

[bb1857]

Originally Posted by Racer20

This is completely untrue. There are many people on this forum who could easily tell. Count me as one of them, since it's my job. Lap times don't mean anything in this context. The difference in how the car behaves under braking, cornering, and near and just over the limit is something that can be felt by lots of amateur drivers with a moderate level of skill and experience.

OK i amend my statement that there are very few.....and i still guarantee that done blindly 95% could never tell. Also as someone who does this for a living you likely know that 90% of M3/M4 owners may think they are near the cars limits but in fact they are only near they're own limits and have simply run out of talent when the car gets sideways or does something unnerving. Most of these guys probably couldn't tell if you put gumball race tires on a car...myself included

[raysspl]

I suppose that's good

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by Remonster

I wonder if the ZCP would still come with the wider tires on the 19" wheels or if you go back down to normal M3 width tires?

Now, if only I could get the silver 19s with the Competition Package I would truly be happy. It is crazy how much the 666M wheels have grown on me and I now actually like them.

I doubt.

This would mean BMW would need to develop a new specific 19" PSS for the F8X.

IMO, the 19" 437M, when ordered with on the CP, will be shod with the existing 255-275/35R19 star spec PSS.

[JustChris]

Originally Posted by aajami

Wouldn't the 19s increase performance? Lower rotational inertia, lower weight, and all that?

This

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by DavidGP

...and both are crippled with tire choices for the track. Why do you think the GT3 Cup cars run 18's. Professional teams dont run 20's. 20's is for show plain and simple. Does it look cool, yes. I am referring to performance. The 19's are much lighter vs. the 20's and have better tire options. This is a fact.

I sure those GT3 cup cars are really missing that crisp turn-in from not using 20's.

I think most track junkies could not care less about the track performance or tire choice for the OE 19" or 20" wheels since most have a dedicated set of 18" track wheels anyway .

[JoeyBananas]

The funny thing is how fng ugly these wheels are and how unpopular they Are. This is the only reason BMW is doing this. They have some BS spreadsheet showing the ZCP isn't selling as well as it should and they assume (maybe rightfully so) it's because of the wheels

[dmk08]

Originally Posted by JoeyBananas

The funny thing is how fng ugly these wheels are and how unpopular they Are. This is the only reason BMW is doing this. They have some BS spreadsheet showing the ZCP isn't selling as well as it should and they assume (maybe rightfully so) it's because of the wheels

Brah.. ill say it as i've said before.

2 years with the 19s. 0 compliments.

2 months with the 666Ms. Nothing but compliments from BMW people and random people alike. At least 10. The 666Ms are amazing looking in person with a proper stance.

[Jaymax85]

Originally Posted by dmk08

Brah.. ill say it as i've said before.

2 years with the 19s. 0 compliments.

2 months with the 666Ms. Nothing but compliments from BMW people and random people alike. At least 10. The 666Ms are amazing looking in person with a proper stance.

Funny thing is my 437 get compliments all the time .. Not that I really care about compliments from other people

[kyleb350]

The performance difference arguments are negligible. It comes down to the preference of how each look.

[jaybird124]

Originally Posted by dmk08

Zomg 2 lb.. lmfao.

I couldnt tell the difference between 437s and HRE R101 and they were like 5lb each.. dear infant baby jesus this is overblown.

It's always humbling how many world class drivers we have on the forum that can tell the difference and spend on mods before driver training. #causeracecar

[iatacs19]

Originally Posted by Kara Zor-El

I wonder if the adaptive suspension will therefore be tuned differently or there will be no difference in tune between the 19s and 20s which means the tuned adaptive suspension was a lie from the beginning

I wonder about this as well...

[The H is Silent]

Since the wheel width of the 19's and 20's are the same, does that mean BMW is equipping the same tire width (265 front, 285 rear) when downsizing to the 19's? The size exists on Tire Rack, not sure how much work it would be for Michelin to provide another OEM spec size.

Too bad the 18's aren't an option as well. Aesthetically, those are still my favorite

[z335is]

This is awesome news. I can't believe some people are actually complaining...

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by The H is Silent

Since the wheel width of the 19's and 20's are the same, does that mean BMW is equipping the same tire width (265 front, 285 rear) when downsizing to the 19's? The size exists on Tire Rack, not sure how much work it would be for Michelin to provide another OEM spec size.

Too bad the 18's aren't an option as well. Aesthetically, those are still my favorite

There is a fair bit of work involved in developing a specific tires for a car by both the tire and car manufacturers.

As I posted previously, I seriously doubt that wider tires than the standard 255-275/35R19 will be fitted to the 437M when ordered with the CP.