Anyone else get banned from the G8X section for making fun of its looks?

[GrussGott]

Originally Posted by MFNATIK

Let's face it. No one is lining up for an allocation for a G8x which is a stark contrast to the F8x launch.

It should also be added BMW gets a few big narrative weapons via reviewer embargo:

(1.) Guerilla Marketing for FOMO
Now that customers have them:
(a.) Emotional car buyers rarely give poor reviews, but WAY better:
(b.) Incented? social media "owners" videos: "BRO! My new M4 is SICK, yo!"

(2.) Sales numbers tweaking for YOLO
Tweak the sales numbers via corp buys, fleet buys, dealer fleets, demos, etc ... also get them into the hands of as many employees as possible to get them on the streets. BMW has a lot of employees all around the country, not to mention dealers. "If it's so ugly why's it selling so hot!?!?"

(3.) Sales incentives
Lease specials, "spring event", financing, rebates, discounts, etc


BMW might be able to sneak by a full year controlling the narrative this way; might even turn it into a mediocre seller.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by GrussGott

It should also be added BMW gets a few big narrative weapons via reviewer embargo:

(1.) Guerilla Marketing for FOMO
Now that customers have them:
(a.) Emotional car buyers rarely give poor reviews, but WAY better:
(b.) Incented? social media "owners" videos: "BRO! My new M4 is SICK, yo!"

(2.) Sales numbers tweaking for YOLO
Tweak the sales numbers via corp buys, fleet buys, dealer fleets, demos, etc ... also get them into the hands of as many employees as possible to get them on the streets. BMW has a lot of employees all around the country, not to mention dealers. "If it's so ugly why's it selling so hot!?!?"

(3.) Sales incentives
Lease specials, "spring event", financing, rebates, discounts, etc


BMW might be able to sneak by a full year controlling the narrative this way; might even turn it into a mediocre seller.

.....Soooo, basically the same stuff you guys accused BMW of for the last two iterations of M?!?

[GrussGott]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

.....Soooo, basically the same stuff you guys accused BMW of for the last two iterations of M?!?

If by "you guys" you mean The Securities & Exchange Commission, then ... yeah!

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by GrussGott

If by "you guys" you mean The Security & Exchange Commission, then ... yeah!

You guys = Bimmerpost.

[R N M]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

.....Soooo, basically the same stuff you guys accused BMW of for the last two iterations of M?!?

Can you objectively say what you like about the G8x vs F8x?
- is it the hideous styling?
- the additional weight?
- the awesome 8speed Auto rather than DCT?
- the lack of any new significant engineering advancements?
- the removal of CF components?
- the floating rear caliper?
- the detuned engine with a manual?
- the amazing black cladding running all along the bottom of the car?

It has ONE nice feature which is a total improvement over F8x - Carbon Seats.
Everything else is pretty much the same or worse and wrapped in a hideous package that bigger and heavier.

The Reviews will be harsh imo.
I truly wish BMW went all out as this is probably the last ICE M3.

[GrussGott]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

You guys = Bimmerpost.

Just pointing out that when the SEC levies a fine for tweaking sales numbers and BMW pays it, it's not really an accusation anymore

[ash4390]

Originally Posted by R N M

Can you objectively say what you like about the G8x vs F8x?
- is it the hideous styling?
- the additional weight?
- the awesome 8speed Auto rather than DCT?
- the lack of any new significant engineering advancements?
- the removal of CF components?
- the floating rear caliper?
- the detuned engine with a manual?
- the amazing black cladding running all along the bottom of the car?

It has ONE nice feature which is a total improvement over F8x - Carbon Seats.
Everything else is pretty much the same or worse and wrapped in a hideous package that bigger and heavier.

The Reviews will be harsh imo.
I truly wish BMW went all out as this is probably the last ICE M3.

It's newer... so uhh... better? So glad I got back into an F8X!

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by R N M

Can you objectively say what you like about the G8x vs F8x?
- is it the hideous styling?
- the additional weight?
- the awesome 8speed Auto rather than DCT?
- the lack of any new significant engineering advancements?
- the removal of CF components?
- the floating rear caliper?
- the detuned engine with a manual?
- the amazing black cladding running all along the bottom of the car?

It has ONE nice feature which is a total improvement over F8x - Carbon Seats.
Everything else is pretty much the same or worse and wrapped in a hideous package that bigger and heavier.

The Reviews will be harsh imo.
I truly wish BMW went all out as this is probably the last ICE M3.

Objectively? Considering I have not driven the car at all, nor do I have any ownership experience, I cannot thoroughly answer that question. Aesthetically, the interior outshines that of the F8X (...design, CF buckets, etc.) and the front looks more aggressive and makes me feel like the F8X looks soft (....similar to how the F8X's reveal made me feel about my E92 ZCP M3; the E9X's front end looked droopy faced compared to the F8X).

• I'm not overly concerned with the weight. I never have been with any iteration of ///M.
• I'm not really concerned about a CF driveshaft that disappeared years ago (..even though my car's CF driveshaft was replaced with a CF driveshaft). The roof is still there, as are front lips and diffusers.
• I'm an MT guy, so the AT isn't a concern for me.
• I admittedly miss the look of the piston caliper, but that isn't a deal breaker for me.
• The black lower rockers and front/rear splitters are annoying.
• The car is more technologically advanced than the outgoing car.

[Mavus]

The difference btw F8x and G8x is the F8x has multiple sprinkles of motorsport in it. This new model took most of it, if not all of it, out. The focus is only on profit at the expense of engineereing and heritage. This is a short sighted strategy.

For anybody that appreciates M engineering and knows physics, G8x does not have M engineering ingridients. There are many aspects of a car that numbers don't show. You can make any car fast but not dual or multi purposed like M3.

Anybody that states otherwise does not have basic motorsport knowledge or doesn't care for M values but then why do you want to buy M3!? What are you paying that premium for? I was planning to buy one 2 yrs ago but as design details started to emerge I lost interest.

[swagon]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

That's a fair response. I think we're going to be surprised at how capable the car is. Ostensibly it seems to navigate the N'Ring in a way the F8X didn't, which bodes well for the new car.

Well, obviously, it's going to be faster and/or more capable. It's a new generation so it's almost always a given.

[swagon]

Originally Posted by velvet_F82

The front end is a lot more impressive in real life than in pictures. Not better looking, just impressive, as in there is a presence and a size about the car. Some would say it looks menacing, to which I would agree. Pretty however? No. Understated like M cars of yesterday, hell no.

And that's my gripe. It might look impressive, in-your-face bold, aggressive, catch a lot of attention, but they did so without even trying to make it at least a bit elegant or coherent even.

Styling and size/weight aside, the pricing seems to be up by a lot in some countries. It is dependent on each national distributor, but there deffo seems to be a trend. They should have learned a lesson from the 8 Series.

[CT_M3]

In other news, Albert Biermann continues to shape Hyundai into an upstart Korean BMW clone (circa 20 years ago).

Biermann content starts @ 7:00

[Tecnniqe]

Originally Posted by CT_M3

In other news, Albert Biermann continues to shape Hyundai into an upstart Korean BMW clone (circa 20 years ago).

Biermann content starts @ 7:00

Probably helps that Thomas is a BMW fanboy

Albie

I do love watching these two review cars and I can't wait for them to get their hands on the G8X, their F8X review was fantastic.

[therealkenc]

Originally Posted by Tecnniqe

Probably helps that Thomas is a BMW fanboy

Albie

I do love watching these two review cars and I can't wait for them to get their hands on the G8X, their F8X review was fantastic.

Absolutely agree, their review (particularly Thomas' enthusiasm for) of the F83 vs the AMGC63S basically sold me my F83.

"It might not be a muscle-y V8, but it's a very proud in-line 6"

I also enjoyed the StraightPipes' review of the F83, but the Throttle House guys just have an edge of sophistication and technical knowledge, coupled with a winning combination of personality and humor.

If I'm being honest, I'm looking forward to seeing the next few generations of Hyundai's N range of sports offerings. Still can't see myself owning one just yet, but I expect to be surprised.

[dmk08]

M3 is on a ladder trajectory IMO. Got better each gen from E30 to E92 and now has gotten worse each of the last two gens. E92 (E90) manual is still the king. Just such a visceral experience compared to the new gens.

[Tecnniqe]

A friend sent images from a video of the G8X design that I've seen a while ago because they are starting to show them in the wild and recently featured it being displayed at morning TV and they just now noticed how bad the design flows.

Bumper not flowing remotely as previous ones



Clash of lines, boxy mirrors and, well, hood/grill


Body panels don't align on the M3, something that's been annoying me greatly because the reflection makes it VERY easy to see, especially with the color pallet they've opted for on many of these


And fake vents, I guess


I don't know who's going to buy these when people not even interested in cars start to pick this apart and talk to me about it.

At least I hope it does something well, as it would be a crying shame if the quite possible last ICE M3/4 we get to be a total disaster on all fronts, design wise it is and I do have to agree the G8X look "tall" and SUV like due to the body design on it from some angles where as previous ones sloped down and looked low/fast/sharp.

Reviews can't come soon enough, but nothing about this '21- generation really speaks to me and seemingly nobody else that I know.

[Tecnniqe]

Originally Posted by therealkenc

Absolutely agree, their review (particularly Thomas' enthusiasm for) of the F83 vs the AMGC63S basically sold me my F83.

"It might not be a muscle-y V8, but it's a very proud in-line 6"

I also enjoyed the StraightPipes' review of the F83, but the Throttle House guys just have an edge of sophistication and technical knowledge, coupled with a winning combination of personality and humor.

If I'm being honest, I'm looking forward to seeing the next few generations of Hyundai's N range of sports offerings. Still can't see myself owning one just yet, but I expect to be surprised.

You also have this short one (not a review), I really love the editing of it

[deeldoo]

Front grill on this car actually looks really good imo, i actually dig the aggressiveness.

What this car needs is to be smaller + power bulge + coherent design in the side views. The M4 is hideous in every angle.

The M3 looks average from the back, horrific from the side, the hood line is too low.

The M3 and M4 hood has historically been muscled, powerful, beefy. This one is a derp.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by deeldoo

Front grill on this car actually looks really good imo, i actually dig the aggressiveness.

What this car needs is to be smaller + power bulge + coherent design in the side views. The M4 is hideous in every angle.

The M3 looks average from the back, horrific from the side, the hood line is too low.

The M3 and M4 hood has historically been muscled, powerful, beefy. This one is a derp.

Ehhhh no. The M3 hood didn't become that until the E46 with the introduction of a pronounced power dome. Now people act like the lack of a power dome signals the demise of the M3. The E46 and E9X needed the dome. The F8X did not. You guys always lament about wanting things to be functional.......until....

[CT_M3]

Loved that vid. That's been on my bookmarked list on YT for quite a while =).

Originally Posted by Tecnniqe

You also have this short one (not a review), I really love the editing of it

Found another one that I haven't seen from BMW Canada. Quite a gem.
Oh, how different the ads for the G8x vs. F8x have been! Sad to see the change. It's becoming clearer to me now that BMW's target market doesn't include me. The M3 should be the pinnacle of what BMW can do, not another iteration of a go fast luxo barge (which it is fast becoming). If you showcase that, people can start justifying the price, no matter how silly it is. Not with this G8x version.

[deeldoo]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Ehhhh no. The M3 hood didn't become that until the E46 with the introduction of a pronounced power dome. Now people act like the lack of a power dome signals the demise of the M3. The E46 and E9X needed the dome. The F8X did not. You guys always lament about wanting things to be functional.......until....

I didn't say the hood historically had a power bulge, i said it was muscley, beefy, which it was and always has been.

Not this downward sloping soft mess.

Hood looks like absolute ass, i also never mentioned functionality.

[RugbyBro]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Ehhhh no. The M3 hood didn't become that until the E46 with the introduction of a pronounced power dome. Now people act like the lack of a power dome signals the demise of the M3. The E46 and E9X needed the dome. The F8X did not. You guys always lament about wanting things to be functional.......until....

Just like White Goodman, the F8X certainly doesn't need the power bulge... but it does add to the dramatic effect and image association