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      06-10-2014, 01:01 AM   #221
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Funny because it's a BMW forum. And...almost no one (particularly in the US) has even driven an M4.
You can't be serious. Then again maybe you are. Check the thread title by the way.
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I'm a BMW owner and I've owned more ///M cars than most. I also recognize that a Porsche is 'usually' the next step up for BMW owners. Relax!
Oh, I'm relaxed. Just pointing out that since this is the M4 vs. Porsche GTS thread, it's interesting anyone who has not actually driven the new M4 can have such a strong opinion FOR the GTS.

I'm not trying to change anyone's mind, I couldn't honestly care less. More Cayman GTS' on the road will make my AY M4 stand out that much more. And in terms of ability, well, that can always be settled at the track.

Yes, I'm sure Porsche is a common next step for BMW owners, as outside of the Cayman and Boxster, the prices quickly hit six-figures.
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Oh, I'm relaxed. Just pointing out that since this is the M4 vs. Porsche GTS thread, it's interesting anyone who has not actually driven the new M4 can have such a strong opinion FOR the GTS.

I'm not trying to change anyone's mind, I couldn't honestly care less. More Cayman GTS' on the road will make my AY M4 stand out that much more. And in terms of ability, well, that can always be settled at the track.

Yes, I'm sure Porsche is a common next step for BMW owners, as outside of the Cayman and Boxster, the prices quickly hit six-figures.
Well no one has driven the GTS either. But those who have driven a like minded Porsche vs a like minded BMW can already extrapolate which give you the purist of driving feel. Since I am one of those people, the Porsche absolutely wins. Hands up and down.
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Well no one has driven the GTS either. But those who have driven a like minded Porsche vs a like minded BMW can already extrapolate which give you the purist of driving feel. Since I am one of those people, the Porsche absolutely wins. Hands up and down.
like minded? I'm not sure how you could possibly say the M4 and Cayman were created with the same purpose in mind.
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like minded? I'm not sure how you could possibly say the M4 and Cayman were created with the same purpose in mind.
That's because it's not what I meant.

I meant a like minded BMW akin to the M4, vs the same to the Cayman GTS.
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Well no one has driven the GTS either. But those who have driven a like minded Porsche vs a like minded BMW can already extrapolate which give you the purist of driving feel. Since I am one of those people, the Porsche absolutely wins. Hands up and down.
If you've driven a Boxster or Cayman S, you've essentially driven the GTS. No ground-breaking changes there, so I would refute the statement that "no one has [ostensibly] driven the GTS..."

The new M4 has a new engine (for an ///M) and is basically a different car from the ground up than the last M3. It's lighter, it's faster, it's turbocharged, among many other changes and there are maybe 2 reviews floating around of the 6mt in the M4.

The reviews out there of the M4 have been overwhelmingly positive.

So again, your claim of "purist of driving feel" might echo some of the car media--and you might even be right--but you have no firsthand experience... thus my statement that your opinion is not grounded in your reality.
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That's because it's not what I meant.

I meant a like minded BMW akin to the M4, vs the same to the Cayman GTS.
+1, didn't think you needed to explain that as it was perfectly clear the first time.
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If you've driven a Boxster or Cayman S, you've essentially driven the GTS. No ground-breaking changes there, so I would refute the statement that "no one has [ostensibly] driven the GTS..."

The new M4 has a new engine (for an ///M) and is basically a different car from the ground up than the last M3. It's lighter, it's faster, it's turbocharged, among many other changes and there are maybe 2 reviews floating around of the 6mt in the M4.

The reviews out there of the M4 have been overwhelmingly positive.

So again, your claim of "purist of driving feel" might echo some of the car media--and you might even be right--but you have no firsthand experience... thus my statement that your opinion is not grounded in your reality.
Actually I do have first hand experience. Keep up. I own one. I don't need media to speak for me at all.
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I don`t find all reviews M3-M4 "overwhelmingly" positive, they are nice, not exceptional, but I do miss the sheer enthusiasm that test-drivers from past M3 reviews once used to share with us.

Now lets talk about some test drivers enthusiasm, you`ll exactly understand what it`s all about.


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Actually I do have first hand experience. Keep up. I own one. I don't need media to speak for me at all.
You own an M4?
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I don`t find all reviews M3-M4 "overwhelmingly" positive, they are nice, not exceptional, but I do miss the sheer enthusiasm that test-drivers from past M3 reviews once used to share with us.
I think you have forgotten what those reviews actually said.

Here is a recap I put together a few weeksw ago....

http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=989324
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Just read your very well researched and well-reasoned post from the link above. Thank you for posting that!
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You own an M4?
I think you're confused. You responded to my "purist of driving feel" comment which I attributed to the Porsche.
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I think you're confused. You responded to my "purist of driving feel" comment which I attributed to the Porsche.
Your claim of "purist driving feel" is with regards to the Porsche. I'm pointing out that you have not driven an M4, and therefore you are making what amounts to an assertion not grounded in the reality of your experience.

Does Porsche not have a forum?
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Your claim of "purist driving feel" is with regards to the Porsche. I'm pointing out that you have not driven an M4, and therefore you are making what amounts to an assertion not grounded in the reality of your experience.

Does Porsche not have a forum?
I believe Porsche does have a forum, however I'm not insecure as to not being able to talk about either. You seem to forget, Porsche forum or not, this is a Porsche THREAD as well. I've driven many M cars with similar specs, weight, and certainly power as the M4. I know the BMW feel very well on the track.

What you don't know are the differences the two marques of similar class it seems like.

I'm definitely not a Porsche fan. But this car? The Cayman/Boxster 981? There's nothing BMW has that compares to the overall feel and road presence. Not to mention the balance and symphony of noises directly behind your head with that mid engined flat 6.

So yeah in my first hand experience of the 981 vs what the M4 will be certainly leans me toward the 981. The M4 will be good. But it won't be this good.
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Your claim of "purist driving feel" is with regards to the Porsche. I'm pointing out that you have not driven an M4, and therefore you are making what amounts to an assertion not grounded in the reality of your experience.

Does Porsche not have a forum?
I drove the M3 and I own a Cayman S. For pure driving pleasure, I will take the P-car. In case you need four doors and you need to haul groceries, the M3 is for you. In brief, the M3 cannot touch the Cayman (many of you will have a different opinion).
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Yes.. Many have opinions. And that's great. But I've driven Porsches and I've owned BMWs... Yet I would not assert to know what the new BMW M4 drives like, unlike some here...

No matter how much of a Porsche fanboy you are, claiming any car is better than another without experiencing both--firsthand--leaves you with no credibility.

That's a fact. No matter how much you try to deduce, extrapolate, speculate or assume, having an opinion one way or another without actually having "hands on" both vehicles makes your opinion less than worthless.
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Yes.. Many have opinions. And that's great. But I've driven Porsches and I've owned BMWs... Yet I would not assert to know what the new BMW M4 drives like, unlike some here...

No matter how much of a Porsche fanboy you are, claiming any car is better than another without experiencing both--firsthand--leaves you with no credibility.

That's a fact. No matter how much you try to deduce, extrapolate, speculate or assume, having an opinion one way or another without actually having "hands on" both vehicles makes your opinion less than worthless.
Definitely not a Porsche fanboy. But I do dig this Cayman. Big Difference!
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Planet 9 is a good Porsche forum. Very adult oriented and made up of folks that appreciate cars in general. I would describe the tenor of the forum and most Porsche owners that I know as enthusiasts not "fanboys".

Check out the forum and let me know if you agree.

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"Fanboy" is used as an intentionally derogatory term.

Most people would not readily admit to that characterization of their position on a particular car/brand, but many exemplify the classic traits of "fan-boy-ism" nonetheless.
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