Anyone else get banned from the G8X section for making fun of its looks?

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by GrussGott

Swinging the convo back to BMW ... what's the word here? Beaver face?

Not beaver, but definitely larger.

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by GrussGott

Swinging the convo back to BMW ... what's the word here? Beaver face?

Not beaver, but not entirely conventional either. Looks to be going wider than tall also looks like the grills will be concaved or have more depth. So far the headlights and triangular intakes are bigger offenders for me. Also sigh, hood-line again.

[swagon]

Originally Posted by stein_325i

Even a 14-year old kid has better ideas as to what to do at BMW

Looking at past cars, I think the move from vertical to horizontal kidneys in the late 80s was pretty gradual, not in-your-face like now with the addition of some weird-ass marketing & PR strategies. Wondering how it was perceived by the public and press in the 80s... That'd be educational.

I was in the museum in 2014/15 and I remember that next to the E36 on display there was the little text sheet, saying that BMW played with the idea of renaming it to a 4 Series back then but that it was met with negative feedback. I still wonder whether that was just a made up thing for the release of the F32. Probably was.

Bit weird to watch, by the way. They did try hard to convey a certain message, didn't they. And if the kid and his story are real, then he got shafted by not being able to go visit the HQ.

[Darth One]

Ugh, get the M2CS before BMW fucks up the last thing they've got going for them. Talk about last of its kind...maybe that's the car that should have crazy ADM's

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by swagon

Looking at past cars, I think the move from vertical to horizontal kidneys in the late 80s was pretty gradual, not in-your-face like now with the addition of some weird-ass marketing & PR strategies. Wondering how it was perceived by the public and press in the 80s... That'd be educational.

I was in the museum in 2014/15 and I remember that next to the E36 on display there was the little text sheet, saying that BMW played with the idea of renaming it to a 4 Series back then but that it was met with negative feedback. I still wonder whether that was just a made up thing for the release of the F32. Probably was.

Bit weird to watch, by the way. They did try hard to convey a certain message, didn't they. And if the kid and his story are real, then he got shafted by not being able to go visit the HQ.

Agree, here's a photo of all the front ends. The transitions from E30 to F80 are all very gradual in their design, most of it is mainly just width rather than height, but then you have the G8X which is just too radical.

[swagon]

Originally Posted by stein_325i

Not beaver, but not entirely conventional either. Looks to be going wider than tall also looks like the grills will be concaved or have more depth. So far the headlights and triangular intakes are bigger offenders for me. Also sigh, hood-line again.

Not gonna rewatch, but I think Mr Dom implied they would have different kidneys for each model or at least model segment.

Eh, could be worse? Rear taillights deffo a first-gen Merc GLA. The front, I don't know, I they sort of tried to mimick the old 02 Series with the non-Angel Eyes lamps? They do look like they don't have four DRLs. The G87 looks pretty promising next to the G82. No weird bloating going on in the rear. Might be the one to get as it's got the Kink, too!

[NickyC]

Originally Posted by swagon

The G87 looks pretty promising next to the G82. No weird bloating going on in the rear. Might be the one to get as it's got the Kink, too!

G82 ———> the one (one being anything other than the G82) to get.

[Thescout13]

Originally Posted by F8SEVEN

Phew...I had a mini heart attack! Keep us up to date on this!

Signed the ED paperwork today and requested an early October delivery. October delivery dates should be available to book in the next 2 weeks or so. As of right now it looks like ED is a go as Germany is expecting herd immunity by mid to late July, but final decision on ED won't be made until July.

[stein_325i]

New leak of the i4. Looks to be the "M50i" trim and BMW is now giving non-M cars M-Mirrors, as well as separate M badges on the front grill.

[NickyC]

Originally Posted by stein_325i

New leak of the i4. Looks to be the "M50i" trim and BMW is now giving non-M cars M-Mirrors, as well as separate M badges on the front grill.

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Terrible. Maybe that means a mirror upgrade via LCI is on the way for G8x. We can only hope so as the current ones are trash.

[CanAutM3]

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by irunalot

Unfortunately, a lot of GT cars are sold to people who have never driven them or even been near a track. They buy them for the "hype" and can't drive them on the track and complain about how hard it is to get in an out. That their back hurts driving to the gold course etc... Then buy a Turbo, C2/4s if you’re in so much pain. It’s a track car not a country club brunch special. Can't tell you how many GT3s I've passed on a track in a slower car.

These are the guys and gals driving the prices through the roof and selling the cars with 1k miles on them. They don't "get" the GT cars yet buy them because the dealers offer the GT cars to these “good” customers.

Don’t get me wrong there are people who properly use these, I can’t tell you many my local shop preps every week. There is a around a dozen in the parking lot every week and they are tracked HARD.


These are the guys and gals driving the prices through the roof and selling the cars with 1k miles on them. They don't "get" the GT cars yet buy them because the are offered them by the dealers.

At least Porsche does not listen to those complaints and continues to build the GT cars for their intended purpose.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by FormulaMMM

For those preparing to pay substantial ADM on GT cars –

If you haven’t already, would highly recommend doing whatever you can to log some seat time first. Not possible with the 992 GT3 of course, but then either 991 model. And if spec’ing buckets, then seat time (more than 10-15 minutes) in the buckets.

They are astonishing and remarkable cars, but especially coming from an M platform it would not be impossible for guys to find them very limited in real world use, mostly inaccessible. Would hate to see this realization set in after a 25k (or more) ADM, which was paid with an unrealistic expectation of how frequently you'd derive maximum enjoyment from ownership.

And maybe you could get that ADM almost fully back on a resale, but also possible the market corrects. Don't forget for many years .1 and .2 GT3 and RS buyers were out their ADM's plus a big chunk on depreciation. Estimate owner 1 on my .2 lost 40-50k after just 2 years of ownership and 5,000 miles. Should only buy with ADM because it’s a car and (known) experience you can’t live without.

My take after 15 months, ~6,000 miles and 8 track days in a .2, sessions with both gen GT4’s, rides and sessions with RS’s – MSRP on these cars is about right. Like most other things, Porsche is precise there as well.

And if buying a GT car to track, which to me is the only context in which their prices are justified, don’t overlook running costs. Almost cliche advice at this point, but with GT cars it's no joke... I haven’t tallied mine, but about to get a set of rear rotors & new pads. Previously did fronts and pads. Spark plugs, ignition coils, regular oil changes, brake fluid. You’ll need a professional alignment and sway bar adjustmnet to get the most out of it -- $600. Cup 2’s lasted 3 track days ($1700), squeezed 5 out of the Dunlops ($2200). Had a rear flat on day two with the Dunlops, can’t plug N specs -- $570 replacement. Believe it’s the rear center locks that will need replacement in the next season or two (based upon accumulated track mileage) – that will be 3k. Etc.

Not to be Debbie downer or a GT car contrarian. Just trying to give some perspective that almost never seems to come through in the drive then leave reviews.

^ This

As much as I would love a GT3 for the track, I need my car to serve the dual duty of daily driver and track toy, hence why I opted for a different 911.

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by NickyC

Terrible. Maybe that means a mirror upgrade via LCI is on the way for G8x. We can only hope so as the current ones are trash.

Agree looks really bad, and the amount of fake grill/intake openings on the front isn't a good look.

[hellrotm]

Originally Posted by GrussGott

Swinging the convo back to BMW ... what's the word here? Beaver face?

No beaver face

Originally Posted by stein_325i

New leak of the i4. Looks to be the "M50i" trim and BMW is now giving non-M cars M-Mirrors, as well as separate M badges on the front grill.

M-mirrors on base 2er mule.

[GrussGott]

Originally Posted by stein_325i

New leak of the i4. Looks to be the "M50i" trim and BMW is now giving non-M cars M-Mirrors, as well as separate M badges on the front grill.

BMW is absolutely flailing, trying to figure out who the market is for each model and how to appeal to them ...

BMW has completely lost its design aesthetic and seems to be randomly selecting senior art school project ideas from the avant garde G8x to bauhaus to Bavarian Alpine, and then randomly applying them to different cars.

BMW's modern design is about nothing or everything

So existential.

So BMW.

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by hellrotm

No beaver face


M-mirrors on base 2er mule.

BMW: We want M cars to stand out more

Also BMW: Lets put M-specific elements on regular series cars.

[Ropes]

Less hideous than G8X

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Ropes

Less hideous than G8X

I would take the G8X all day over that. While most feel the M3/M4 has gone backwards in design since the F8X, I feel that about the 2 Series. This new design doesn't whet my palate at all.

[Arcades]

Originally Posted by doug_999

Read FormulaMMM post carefully. Spot on.

Here are the facts jack...
These cars are expensive!
These cars drive like nothing I've ever been in.
These cars are a significant drop in technology (in terms of interior/electronics/etc) from what we are used to - and yea, that's coming from the F80. If you are coming from the F90? Holy crap, get ready for a trip back in time. Worse it is like they put too much into the screen - including closing the garage door - which is really fun while you are backing up.
From a DD perspective they are a huge step backwards. You have a frunk, which while not only small, is a bitch to get to (no more waving your foot under and having the trunk pop - you get to also use a latch -it's fun (and yes, for safety reasons of course).
So... while I'm still getting used to the car, AND while driving the M3 yesterday I kept thinking "why am I sitting so high?" - do NOT pay over sticker for these cars - they might not even be worth MSRP.

I actually have a different opinion on the matter to some degree.

Unlike most actually, I have been in the seat of a GT3 (991.2) as well as the GT3RS (991.2) and yes also the 718 GT4 while I have been considering purchasing. While I cannot say I have had hours behind the wheel of them, I have had my hands on them due to my dealership. As I have told them, I do not buy things blind and I apply that to a lot of things. Whether it is a watch, a game or even a car that is past 100k. Especially if it is going to cost me THAT much, I will not do it blind. They, absolutely did me a favor by allowing it without really a second though. Although my CA is very nice and made it happen when others didn't. So, unlike a lot of newer buyers to the GT market, I know exactly what I am getting into.

I can say this, yes I will miss things the F80 has given me. Heads up display and infotainment is the biggest I would say. Granted, like a few I am confused by the lack of memory seats for the 2-way and 18-way but it is one of those things. I have also driven my father's base Prius for years before his recent Prius Prime, which is also the base trim without any nannys, gadgets or gizmos. So, I do not miss things I thought I would have needed. Contrary to popular belief, the more you relay on those gadgets to help you drive, the less of a driver you become. I also do not hide the fact that I really despise PCM. I have said this many, many times on this forum here. The new ones in the refreshed Macan, Cayenne, Taycan, Panny, 911 etc are far better yes but they still aren't ideal if you are comparing it to a infotainment that is driver focused like the ones we are used to from BMW. I have gotten used to it however, as my own Macan S had the older gen PCM. It is extremely simple, which is about the only plus I can think of. Apple Carplay by passes a lot my grievances but that's it.

GT cars generally come with good suspension off the bat. Especially those of us coming from BMW M cars. I didn't find the dampening or rebound harsh at all. Is it deal for a DD? Hell no, that's what the Macan GTS and Prius Prime are for but it is more then adequate for most of my own needs. Is it low? Well yeah it is but my M3 is about as low and unlike my M3, the front lip of the 718 GT4 is completely replaceable as the entire thing is a black plastic that can be removed and replaced with like... $150 or something. Which is great.

I don't like the ADM, my dealership contacts KNOW I don't. Especially because we have had chatted before about it but, again, I know the economics and what is happening with the shortages. They are being forced into doing so more or less, same as a lot of other dealerships are. Is my ADM high? No. Is it annoying and wants me to slander my dealership about it? Heck no. My GT4 is going to stay with me for as long as I am able to keep it, hopefully for years and years. Resale value at that point isn't a concern. Do I want it to keep its value? Yes. I won't lie and say I don't because anything you spend 120k+ on car wise, you would want it to retain some semblance of value unless you are super rich and don't care (which I am not).

At the end of the day. I know what I am getting into. It is something I am more than comfortable with car wise and driving wise. It is... a tad loud interior wise, that has been my slight concern that may stop me from doing anything exhaust related but that is about it. I am probably going to try and find a way to block the Sound Composer in the car but I will get around to that when it happens.

[Sedan_Clan]

Update from my dealership:

They have cars at the port that can't be sold due to the missing chip(s) for the power seats, etc., so it's possible that my car would be built and shipped without the chip(s) and sit at the port awhile......thus, extending my delivery date. I suppose I won't mind a little extra time to prepare for its arrival, but I hope the chip setback doesn't mean something like 3-6 months (...effectively pushing delivery to Mar-June of next year).

[Arcades]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Update from my dealership:

They have cars at the port that can't be sold due to the missing chip(s) for the power seats, etc., so it's possible that my car would be built and shipped without the chip(s) and sit at the port awhile......thus, extending my delivery date. I suppose I won't mind a little extra time to prepare for its arrival, but I hope the chip setback doesn't mean something like 3-6 months (...effectively pushing delivery to Mar-June of next year).

That is funny but sad at the same time.

Forgot who said it but I did read that seats were the main cause of delays. Which is... dumb.