F82 vs G82 -

[gemini.m3]

If I had to rock the buck tooth and 100k to be marginally better if even than the f80 mm..

sorry, instigating :P

[N1rve]

It’s in the Car V Car section in G80.

[NickyC]

As each day goes by, I feel better and better about getting another F82 this past November and passing on the G82. Once it's out of warranty I'll bullet proof the crank hub, tune it, and who knows maybe get some bigger snails on it. Four years of owning F82s and I love the car now more than ever.

[Slowphiveo]

This G8x is really starting to remind me of the "Emperors New Clothes" story. You have a select (few) group of people who fanatically pump up this car as the best thing to ever happen to BMW, while the vast majority of people (including long time BMW aficionados) are left scratching their heads. Joe Achilles is a pretty experienced HPDE driver. I have no doubt that he has more track experience than at least 90% of the people who are buying M3/4's, the overwhelming majority of which will never have their cars on a circuit. He was able to eek out narrow victories in most of those races with the G8x, and managed to lose a few as well to the f8x. All that proves is that to the average driver, the performance gains that the G8x offers over the F8x are probably unnoticeable...especially on the street. What is clearly NOT unnoticeable is the styling differential and interior quality. What it comes down to then is the appearance of both cars. While the G8x clearly has a vastly improved exterior, the exterior is pretty much universally hated (with the exception of the small G8x cult Coolaid drinkers). Between the looks and the massive price increase, the G8x has flop written all over it. The flop is even more pronounced now that we have seen it go up against its predecessor in the hands of real "humans" (not paid hot shoe drivers) and it proved to be negligibly better than the F8x. While the engine and chassis may be an overall improvement over the F8x...its appearance kills any progress it made. No man chases after the woman with the "big heart". They chase after the woman with the big...uhh looks.

[NickyC]

Originally Posted by Slowphiveo

This G8x is really starting to remind me of the "Emperors New Clothes" story. You have a select (few) group of people who fanatically pump up this car as the best thing to ever happen to BMW, while the vast majority of people (including long time BMW aficionados) are left scratching their heads. Joe Achilles is a pretty experienced HPDE driver. I have no doubt that he has more track experience than at least 90% of the people who are buying M3/4's, the overwhelming majority of which will never have their cars on a circuit. He was able to eek out narrow victories in most of those races with the G8x, and managed to lose a few as well to the f8x. All that proves is that to the average driver, the performance gains that the G8x offers over the F8x are probably unnoticeable...especially on the street. What is clearly NOT unnoticeable is the styling differential and interior quality. What it comes down to then is the appearance of both cars. While the G8x clearly has a vastly improved exterior, the exterior is pretty much universally hated (with the exception of the small G8x cult Coolaid drinkers). Between the looks and the massive price increase, the G8x has flop written all over it. The flop is even more pronounced now that we have seen it go up against its predecessor in the hands of real "humans" (not paid hot shoe drivers) and it proved to be negligibly better than the F8x. While the engine and chassis may be an overall improvement over the F8x...its appearance kills any progress it made. No man chases after the woman with the "big heart". They chase after the woman with the big...uhh looks.

Exactly what I'm thinking, but better than I could have said it.

[buster84]

Originally Posted by Slowphiveo

This G8x is really starting to remind me of the "Emperors New Clothes" story. You have a select (few) group of people who fanatically pump up this car as the best thing to ever happen to BMW, while the vast majority of people (including long time BMW aficionados) are left scratching their heads. Joe Achilles is a pretty experienced HPDE driver. I have no doubt that he has more track experience than at least 90% of the people who are buying M3/4's, the overwhelming majority of which will never have their cars on a circuit. He was able to eek out narrow victories in most of those races with the G8x, and managed to lose a few as well to the f8x. All that proves is that to the average driver, the performance gains that the G8x offers over the F8x are probably unnoticeable...especially on the street. What is clearly NOT unnoticeable is the styling differential and interior quality. What it comes down to then is the appearance of both cars. While the G8x clearly has a vastly improved exterior, the exterior is pretty much universally hated (with the exception of the small G8x cult Coolaid drinkers). Between the looks and the massive price increase, the G8x has flop written all over it. The flop is even more pronounced now that we have seen it go up against its predecessor in the hands of real "humans" (not paid hot shoe drivers) and it proved to be negligibly better than the F8x. While the engine and chassis may be an overall improvement over the F8x...its appearance kills any progress it made. No man chases after the woman with the "big heart". They chase after the woman with the big...uhh looks.

This is exactly why the used m3/m4 market became so scarce and caused prices to continue to jump over the last few months. The amount of people who waited for the G80 said hell no and bought a used F80 instead which shifted the used market higher in prices. Even the e90 m3 went up in price. BMW really shot them selves in the foot with this car, they better copy Chevrolet and redesigned the bumper ASAP like they did on the Camero after a year otherwise the used m3 market will be all that you see on the roads.

[rmanm4]

I'm still baffled that all my local dealerships are telling me that any new orders will be fulfilled late 2021. Also good chance that it will be a 2022 f80/g82. Dealers have still a few basic g80/g82s on the lot but all of them are on show or test drive! They are making it seem like the demand is high??? Or is this a illusion created to fool you into buying one?

[calcio]

I just cancelled my order. Just can’t justify paying that much for a hideous front end. I may sell the f80 and move over to the 911 territory.

[NickyC]

Originally Posted by rmanm4

I'm still baffled that all my local dealerships are telling me that any new orders will be fulfilled late 2021. Also good chance that it will be a 2022 f80/g82. Dealers have still a few basic g80/g82s on the lot but all of them are on show or test drive! They are making it seem like the demand is high??? Or is this a illusion created to fool you into buying one?

A simple scan of Autotrader shows just how easy it would be to find either a G80 or G82 right now. The G80 appears to be selling, but the G82s are barely moving from what I can see. ALL launch G82s from the three BMW dealers in my area are still unsold.

[NickyC]

Originally Posted by calcio

I just cancelled my order. Just can’t justify paying that much for a hideous front end. I may sell the f80 and move over to the 911 territory.

Wow you have a Miami Blue M3? That’s the only color I’d rather have than YMB, beautiful!

[N1rve]

Originally Posted by Slowphiveo

This G8x is really starting to remind me of the "Emperors New Clothes" story. You have a select (few) group of people who fanatically pump up this car as the best thing to ever happen to BMW, while the vast majority of people (including long time BMW aficionados) are left scratching their heads. Joe Achilles is a pretty experienced HPDE driver. I have no doubt that he has more track experience than at least 90% of the people who are buying M3/4's, the overwhelming majority of which will never have their cars on a circuit. He was able to eek out narrow victories in most of those races with the G8x, and managed to lose a few as well to the f8x. All that proves is that to the average driver, the performance gains that the G8x offers over the F8x are probably unnoticeable...especially on the street. What is clearly NOT unnoticeable is the styling differential and interior quality. What it comes down to then is the appearance of both cars. While the G8x clearly has a vastly improved exterior, the exterior is pretty much universally hated (with the exception of the small G8x cult Coolaid drinkers). Between the looks and the massive price increase, the G8x has flop written all over it. The flop is even more pronounced now that we have seen it go up against its predecessor in the hands of real "humans" (not paid hot shoe drivers) and it proved to be negligibly better than the F8x. While the engine and chassis may be an overall improvement over the F8x...its appearance kills any progress it made. No man chases after the woman with the "big heart". They chase after the woman with the big...uhh looks.

Unfortunately, in Beverly Hills where I am near, I am seeing a lot more G22s and G80s roaming the streets. On my way to the nearby mall yesterday I saw at least 5 on my short trip. It definetely looks "different" on the road, the muted G22 IMO looks better than the G8X. I really hope this new style doesn't sell well so BMW would go back to the normal sized grills.

On a side note I did see a 2021 Audi RS5 on the road and I have to say it looks pretty flipping amazing and would def choose that over the G8X!! RS5s are definetly more rare in my area than AMGs and Ms.

[bsmf8x]

I want to see a g82 stage 2 versus an f82 stage 2 both running pump gas from a roll. If the difference isn't a couple cars or a bus length that's pretty pathetic. The f82 vs g82 stock for stock from a roll everything equal (Dct vs zf, same tires, both getting traction) it seems like the difference would be a car if that, according to Achilles races. Awd can only help so much from a roll, unless the awd gets more power.

[Morgen Black]

I went to the local dealership yesterday and they had one G80 and one G82 in the showroom, both were the same color with the same interior and the doors were locked. The sticker prices were insane, especially since the dealer had an inflated markup for rarity. I would have to say that the G80 was much easier on the eyes and the lines flowed better than the G82. I was there for over 20 minutes, while the wife was looking outside at other family options and not one person stopped at the G82. They all gravitated to the G80 and peered inside, I wonder why?! I left with a huge smile on my face as I drove away in my 2018 F80. I call that a silent win for the consumers.

MB

[Tommy L Garage]

Originally Posted by Morgen Black

I went to the local dealership yesterday and they had one G80 and one G82 in the showroom, both were the same color with the same interior and the doors were locked. The sticker prices were insane, especially since the dealer had an inflated markup for rarity. I would have to say that the G80 was much easier on the eyes and the lines flowed better than the G82. I was there for over 20 minutes, why the wife was looking outside at other family options and not one person stopped at the G82. They all gravitated to the G80 and peered inside, I wonder why?! I left with a huge smile on my face as I drove away in my 2018 F80. I call that a silent win for the consumers.

MB

I absolutely agree!!

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by rmanm4

I'm still baffled that all my local dealerships are telling me that any new orders will be fulfilled late 2021. Also good chance that it will be a 2022 f80/g82. Dealers have still a few basic g80/g82s on the lot but all of them are on show or test drive! They are making it seem like the demand is high??? Or is this a illusion created to fool you into buying one?

Depends on the area. Here in MD the sedans are selling fine but the coupes are sitting. Meanwhile over on the west coast (mainly California) people are paying markups on a mass produced BMW.

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by NickyC

A simple scan of Autotrader shows just how easy it would be to find either a G80 or G82 right now. The G80 appears to be selling, but the G82s are barely moving from what I can see. ALL launch G82s from the three BMW dealers in my area are still unsold.

Here's my thought on why. To find a manual luxury sedan is tough, its pretty much M3 or wait for the Cadillac which many will shun despite being a fantastic vehicle. Many getting the M3 either will like the look or learn to like/deal with it. A 2-door manual coupe on the other hand, the market is full of those.

[Jockey]

Even if the G82 won every race, which it didn't, still wouldn't buy one.

It appears the F82 and G82 are close enough in performance its more about the driver than the car.

[Mar48]

Originally Posted by NickyC

A simple scan of Autotrader shows just how easy it would be to find either a G80 or G82 right now. The G80 appears to be selling, but the G82s are barely moving from what I can see. ALL launch G82s from the three BMW dealers in my area are still unsold.

G80 >>> G82.... I was a critic on the front end, still think it's the biggest detractor but in person it doesn't look bad. Not nearly as bad as photos. With that said, the G82 looks weak compared to the 'muscular' G80. I was indifferent between the styling of F80 v F82 (but wanted 4 doors due to the little one)... not the case with the G8X.

[calcio]

Originally Posted by NickyC

Wow you have a Miami Blue M3? That’s the only color I’d rather have than YMB, beautiful!

Good eye and thx. Big pet peeve is when people say is that ymb ? Side by side nothing alike. My order for the G80 was LSB, but it’s discontinued.

[RElias21]

Originally Posted by Slowphiveo

This G8x is really starting to remind me of the "Emperors New Clothes" story. You have a select (few) group of people who fanatically pump up this car as the best thing to ever happen to BMW, while the vast majority of people (including long time BMW aficionados) are left scratching their heads. Joe Achilles is a pretty experienced HPDE driver. I have no doubt that he has more track experience than at least 90% of the people who are buying M3/4's, the overwhelming majority of which will never have their cars on a circuit. He was able to eek out narrow victories in most of those races with the G8x, and managed to lose a few as well to the f8x. All that proves is that to the average driver, the performance gains that the G8x offers over the F8x are probably unnoticeable...especially on the street. What is clearly NOT unnoticeable is the styling differential and interior quality. What it comes down to then is the appearance of both cars. While the G8x clearly has a vastly improved exterior, the exterior is pretty much universally hated (with the exception of the small G8x cult Coolaid drinkers). Between the looks and the massive price increase, the G8x has flop written all over it. The flop is even more pronounced now that we have seen it go up against its predecessor in the hands of real "humans" (not paid hot shoe drivers) and it proved to be negligibly better than the F8x. While the engine and chassis may be an overall improvement over the F8x...its appearance kills any progress it made. No man chases after the woman with the "big heart". They chase after the woman with the big...uhh looks.

Completely agree, Chris.
Keep in mind, however, that all these are RWD v RWD comparisons.

The G8X will blow our F8X out of the water (especially tuned) once the AWD version comes out.
I think the AWD G8X will be closer in performance to the M5 than to the F8X.

I think that version will sell well, despite the looks, for that reason. Price tag is going to be insane though. Shame with that choice of styling.

[Slowphiveo]

Originally Posted by RElias21

Completely agree, Chris.
Keep in mind, however, that all these are RWD v RWD comparisons.

The G8X will blow our F8X out of the water (especially tuned) once the AWD version comes out.
I think the AWD G8X will be closer in performance to the M5 than to the F8X.

I think that version will sell well, despite the looks, for that reason. Price tag is going to be insane though. Shame with that choice of styling.

I think at some point BMW has strayed from what the M3 was supposed to be. Even the F8x got accused of being M5ish when it came out because of its ever increasing size. The G8x just adds to that. You are right, the G8x with AWD is probably closer to the M5 than it is to the F8x and that's fine with me. Honestly, when that car gets spec'd it's going to be well north of $100k and pushing into M5 territory anyway. For the money, I d rather spend a little more and get the M5 and have supercar performance specs. Let's not forget that an AWD G8x is only going to be a dig champion too. It's going to weigh as much as a Bentley (I'm exaggerating...a little) and all that weight will not be a pretty sight on twisty roads. I know a lot of people like to "street light" fight, but honestly that's not what these cars were made for. You can spend a hell of a lot less money and get musclecar made in 'Murica that is fine for that. The M3/4 is about handling and precision as much as its about quick acceleration pulls. I feel like BMW lost its way and is catering to a new set of "enthusiasts" ...the "I live my life a quarter mile at a time" set lol. It's for that reason...if I stay with BMW after I'm through with my F82, it will be in an M2. I think that may be the car with the only essence of what the formula used to be for BMW....we will see.

[maddmatth]

I thought it was quite impressive that the G82 managed to be slightly faster on a narrow circuit like that where grip and cornering ability matters and the power difference wouldn't give it as much of an advantage.
I thought he weight might have swayed it to the F82s favour, but it seems to have at least the same agility.