Why so many non-CPO M3 / M4?

[Thescout13]

Originally Posted by Ibiza

@shiv.nandak you are correct that mods have not be caught during the CPO process, and expected to increased now that OBDII tunes are available.

Thescout13 the 1,200 mile M service can be performed up to 2,000 miles without voiding CPO.

Yeah I know I have said that before.

[m_michael]

Originally Posted by FmauriM4

I did my digging and everything on my cars service/history wise is fine. I bought a non-CPO M4 from a BMW dealer and they said it was because getting it certified adds 4-5k to the price of the car and they were trying to sell it as quick as they could. No idea if this is true. I did get a good deal on it though.

Similar situation. Ended up foregoing the CPO for a much better deal as-is. Dealer had 4 or 5 recent M car lease returns on the lot, I think they were looking to move the cars as quick as possible. Good time to be shopping for 2015 models.

[lkh5650]

Originally Posted by m_michael

Similar situation. Ended up foregoing the CPO for a much better deal as-is. Dealer had 4 or 5 recent M car lease returns on the lot, I think they were looking to move the cars as quick as possible. Good time to be shopping for 2015 models.

if you dont mind me asking, how much did you pay? what was the mileage? I am in the process of purchasing used 2015 M4 as well

[JamesMA]

I can't for the life of me understand who would buy an M and not do the 1200 mile service. I paid the dealer to do this on my 335i and 6 years later I think it was money well spent as the car has been rock solid for me. Looking forward to doing the 1200 in the F80, should have it by the end of the week.

[m_michael]

Originally Posted by JamesMA

I can't for the life of me understand who would buy an M and not do the 1200 mile service. I paid the dealer to do this on my 335i and 6 years later I think it was money well spent as the car has been rock solid for me. Looking forward to doing the 1200 in the F80, should have it by the end of the week.

I came across one with a Carfax sheet that not only skipped the 1200 mile service but didn't even bother taking it to BMW for subsequent service, just some random local shop in the neighborhood. Isn't maintenance included for the original buyer?!

[RickFLM4]

Originally Posted by m_michael

I came across one with a Carfax sheet that not only skipped the 1200 mile service but didn't even bother taking it to BMW for subsequent service, just some random local shop in the neighborhood. Isn't maintenance included for the original buyer?!

If it was modified they may not have wanted to take it to a BMW dealer, or if the BMW dealer is far away / out of the way it may have been easiest to just pay a local shop for minimum service, such as oil changes. Are the records you have on the car detailed enough to show that the original differential fluid was changed?

[m_michael]

Originally Posted by RickFLM4

If it was modified they may not have wanted to take it to a BMW dealer, or if the BMW dealer is far away / out of the way it may have been easiest to just pay a local shop for minimum service, such as oil changes. Are the records you have on the car detailed enough to show that the original differential fluid was changed?

Carfax didn't have that level of detail. This is one of those ask the dealer if they have any service records kind of situations.

[doug_999]

Originally Posted by Ibiza

Thescout13 the 1,200 mile M service can be performed up to 2,000 miles without voiding CPO.

I was told 1,700 recently.

My dealer had one that had not been done until 2,400 and that killed it. Alas, who the heck knows - but/and, why people would wait until 2,400 miles is beyond me.

[Thescout13]

Originally Posted by doug_999

I was told 1,700 recently.

My dealer had one that had not been done until 2,400 and that killed it. Alas, who the heck knows - but/and, why people would wait until 2,400 miles is beyond me.

Yeah. I'm fairly confident it's 2,000 as I was told so by multiple dealers during my search and even looked at one CPO F80 that had it done at 1940 something.

[Hachima]

Originally Posted by Ibiza

@shiv.nandak you are correct that mods have not be caught during the CPO process, and expected to increased now that OBDII tunes are available.

Thescout13 the 1,200 mile M service can be performed up to 2,000 miles without voiding CPO.

I wonder if they are more lenient when doing ED? That could easily put you over 1200 before completing delivery. I could then see someone scheduling the maintenance when they get back but then have a week wait but still drive the car and go way over. I don't know how well it's explained but the expectation I've heard is pay out of pocket for the service in Europe and get some type of goodwill reimbursement when back in the states.

When I took delivery with a ~1800 mile drive home I was told the grace period was 500 miles and had mine done mid way at 1200 miles. If you can get someone from BMW NA (not a dealer) to quote you the 2000 limit I'd think you'd be safe though.