2020 911 Carrera 4 VS BMW F82 M4 acceleration tests

[Haagen-Dazs]

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Hello friends,

As I've mentioned on the review thread that I started here on the forum, I took the liberty of pitching the Carrera 4 against an M4. I had an idea of what was going to happen, but the outcome was far better than anticipated. Bear in mind that it wasn't a 100% scientific test but more of a real world kind of test.

Which do you think did best? Place your bets now.

I hope you enjoy this exercise!

[Maitre_Absolut]

So the M4 is faster all the time except in the biased scenario where 992 uses LC and the M4 does not?

[Haagen-Dazs]

Originally Posted by Maitre_Absolut

So the M4 is faster all the time except in the biased scenario where 992 uses LC and the M4 does not?

I reckon that, even if the M4 used LC, it wouldn't have a chance against the Carrera 4. Also, when the Carrera 4 didn't use LC, it still one up to 150 more or less.

Other than that, yes, the M4 wins. More power and less weight, one would expect. But it was also interesting seeing that, from 50 upwards, the M4 slowly moves away, it doesn't just drop the 992.

I'd love to se an M3 CS and a Carrera S do this.

[Maitre_Absolut]

Originally Posted by Haagen-Dazs

I reckon that, even if the M4 used LC, it wouldn't have a chance against the Carrera 4. Also, when the Carrera 4 didn't use LC, it still one up to 150 more or less.

Other than that, yes, the M4 wins. More power and less weight, one would expect. But it was also interesting seeing that, from 50 upwards, the M4 slowly moves away, it doesn't just drop the 992.

I'd love to se an M3 CS and a Carrera S do this.

The 992 4 will always have a launch advantage vs RWD M4. I think the fair comparison is the opposite, give the RWD LC and AWD none. I dont understand what insight you gain from penalizing the RWD car even further.

I also thought the M4 pulled away quite a bit in the 50 roll race. You have to reset your expectations in a roll, you cant pull away like in a dig since you are already at higher speeds.

Anyways cool video.

[Haagen-Dazs]

Originally Posted by Maitre_Absolut

The 992 4 will always have a launch advantage vs RWD M4. I think the fair comparison is the opposite, give the RWD LC and AWD none. I dont understand what insight you gain from penalizing the RWD car even further.

I also thought the M4 pulled away quite a bit in the 50 roll race. You have to reset your expectations in a roll, you cant pull away like in a dig since you are already at higher speeds.

Anyways cool video.

I understand what you're saying, however those were the ingredients that were given to me and hence the omelette than I was able to make.

With that said, it does show the differences between a lower powered with 4 wheel drive car and a more powerful, lighter car

[AlterZgo]

Very disappointing for the Porsche. Based on some road tests a base 992 Carrera should be a low 3 sec 0-60 and mid 11 sec 1/4 mile car. The M4 comp OTOH is more like a 4 sec 0-60 and low 12 sec 1/4 mile car. But in these real world situations, it's apparent that the M3 has a significant power advantage as it's able to repeatedly overcome the Carrera's 4WD launch advantage through brute power.

I aspire to get a 911 some day, but tests like this makes me think I would be disappointed, especially after dropping another $40K to $50K more than my M3. I think even a Carerra S would be disappointing since I'm used to the power of my modded M3 now.

[Haagen-Dazs]

Originally Posted by AlterZgo

Very disappointing for the Porsche. Based on some road tests a base 992 Carrera should be a low 3 sec 0-60 and mid 11 sec 1/4 mile car. The M4 comp OTOH is more like a 4 sec 0-60 and low 12 sec 1/4 mile car. But in these real world situations, it's apparent that the M3 has a significant power advantage as it's able to repeatedly overcome the Carrera's 4WD launch advantage through brute power.

I aspire to get a 911 some day, but tests like this makes me think I would be disappointed, especially after dropping another $40K to $50K more than my M3. I think even a Carerra S would be disappointing since I'm used to the power of my modded M3 now.

Disappointed? A heavier, less powerful albeit 4WD, Porsche beat the M4 with and without launch control. That same Porsche lost on a rolling race but, in my opinion, by not that big of a margin.

A modded Carrera S vs your modded M3 would be evenly matched (as personally I thing the Porsche could walk). Don’t expect $40k of performance difference. The Porsche has a better quality interior, better engineering (simply for the fact that the gearbox will allow LC after LC, unlike the BMW) and the brand is simply regarded as better. The owner of the M4 said he would trade it in a heart beat.

Me personally, I don’t know. The M4, being rwd is more fun... it’s fast enough, looks and feels good. On the other hand, it’s a 4 series with serious factory preparation whereas the Carrera is a model designed to be a sports car

[guess2098]

Originally Posted by Haagen-Dazs

Disappointed? A heavier, less powerful albeit 4WD, Porsche beat the M4 with and without launch control. That same Porsche lost on a rolling race but, in my opinion, by not that big of a margin.

A modded Carrera S vs your modded M3 would be evenly matched (as personally I thing the Porsche could walk). Don’t expect $40k of performance difference. The Porsche has a better quality interior, better engineering (simply for the fact that the gearbox will allow LC after LC, unlike the BMW) and the brand is simply regarded as better. The owner of the M4 said he would trade it in a heart beat.

Me personally, I don’t know. The M4, being rwd is more fun... it’s fast enough, looks and feels good. On the other hand, it’s a 4 series with serious factory preparation whereas the Carrera is a model designed to be a sports car

Only thing I don't agree is the interior due to 992 is much newer mode compare to f8x already 8 years older interior design. G8x interior is good compare with 992 but only the interior

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by AlterZgo

Very disappointing for the Porsche. Based on some road tests a base 992 Carrera should be a low 3 sec 0-60 and mid 11 sec 1/4 mile car. The M4 comp OTOH is more like a 4 sec 0-60 and low 12 sec 1/4 mile car. But in these real world situations, it's apparent that the M3 has a significant power advantage as it's able to repeatedly overcome the Carrera's 4WD launch advantage through brute power.

I aspire to get a 911 some day, but tests like this makes me think I would be disappointed, especially after dropping another $40K to $50K more than my M3. I think even a Carerra S would be disappointing since I'm used to the power of my modded M3 now.

Porsche's aren't all about straight line speed, its about the sublime chassis, tactile feedback and great handling. Any gen 911 succeeds here more so than its competitors, that's where your putting your extra $$$. These cars are plenty fast even in their base spec, if anything some could argue too fast.

Give me a RWD Carrera S with a 6MT, I don't care about the loss in 0-60.

[GGG333]

That second race I was like
I would have loved to give it a try in my F82 with LC vs the Porsche

[ASAP]

Yeah but who buys a non S Carrera, they are super rare, much less a 4 for any performance oriented driver. To me the real baseline is really a rwd Carrera S... that would not look so good for an M4.

[Penguino]

Originally Posted by ASAP

Yeah but who buys a non S Carrera, they are super rare, much less a 4 for any performance oriented driver. To me the real baseline is really a rwd Carrera S... that would not look so good for an M4.

I'll take a Base 992 with a tune over an M4 with a tune every single time.

[Dog Face Pony Soldier]

The M4 is the top trim version of its model, so the appropriate comparison demands the top trim version of the Carrera, the Turbo.... OR compare a M440i to a Carrera S.

[BimmerMat135]

So a brand new car with awd and a price tag 40000+$ more slightly win from 0-150km/h on a Rwd car which hit the market in 2015. That show how overpriced are 911 i would say.

[Ajolives]

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[No Boost]

Originally Posted by Dog Face Pony Soldier

The M4 is the top trim version of its model, so the appropriate comparison demands the top trim version of the Carrera, the Turbo.... OR compare a M440i to a Carrera S.

M4 vs 992 Turbo S? Clive Barker could direct this bloodbath.

[spuntyb]

Originally Posted by ASAP

Yeah but who buys a non S Carrera, they are super rare, much less a 4 for any performance oriented driver. To me the real baseline is really a rwd Carrera S... that would not look so good for an M4.

I would take the base Carrera all day, every day. If I didn't still have one of my kids in a rear facing seat, I'd get one to replace my F80.

[Arcades]

If you're getting Porsche simply for 0 - 60 numbers, you are getting into the wrong brand.

It is really that simple. People get Porsche for every other reason aside from 0 - 60 figures, which doesn't mean much in my eyes.

0 - 60 numbers are a marketing tool. If BMW cared more for the driving characteristics now a days instead of marketing, we wouldn't be in this situation with the brand in the first place. Not to mention, BMW continues to flub their suspension tuning.

When a Kia K5 GT beats out a BMW 330i in almost all testing done by a completely independent company like AMCI, then you know where BMW's stands when it comes to their cars.

0 - 60 numbers isn't everything.

[Tallest]

Originally Posted by AlterZgo

Very disappointing for the Porsche. Based on some road tests a base 992 Carrera should be a low 3 sec 0-60 and mid 11 sec 1/4 mile car. The M4 comp OTOH is more like a 4 sec 0-60 and low 12 sec 1/4 mile car. But in these real world situations, it's apparent that the M3 has a significant power advantage as it's able to repeatedly overcome the Carrera's 4WD launch advantage through brute power.

I aspire to get a 911 some day, but tests like this makes me think I would be disappointed, especially after dropping another $40K to $50K more than my M3. I think even a Carerra S would be disappointing since I'm used to the power of my modded M3 now.

This is such a subjective thing. Equalize the entry cost, see if there is a 911 that would hit your mark and then ask yourself if youd get the 911 or not. Even if it is slower a little. And good luck, I have a feeling it wont be so clear cut...

[doug_999]

Originally Posted by Dog Face Pony Soldier

The M4 is the top trim version of its model, so the appropriate comparison demands the top trim version of the Carrera, the Turbo.... OR compare a M440i to a Carrera S.

Well, the price delta, even in this comparison, is not really fair - and when/if you go with a S or Turbo, it gets crazy. I would expect most M4s go for about $80K and most base 911 c4 go for about $120 (with those crazy options). So the car in this video was probably $40K more than the M4.

Originally Posted by AlterZgo

Very disappointing for the Porsche. Based on some road tests a base 992 Carrera should be a low 3 sec 0-60 and mid 11 sec 1/4 mile car.

this was the base Carrera 4... I'm not sure I've seen a review of it doing low 3 seconds and 11 second quarter mile times Porsche has it at 4 seconds 0-60.

Of note, curious what trans the M4 had - since they didn't use launch control, I wonder... did it have a manual? That's the big downside to the base 992s... no manual

[///M4TT]

First, the starts were all pretty poor. Driver reaction times were too slow/inconsistent to deliver anything of value. IMO.

Second, the G82 with AWD will eat Porches like this for a snack - despite it's weight.

[M3 Number 86]

This just shows the minimum will always be an S model. For me it's GT models only lol