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      07-05-2019, 06:02 PM   #133
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I would agree with the above, thankfully BMW fixed it in terms of feel on the CS.
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      07-05-2019, 07:39 PM   #134
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Camaro has all the right ingredients. V8, 6 speed, sticky tires from factory. Its nurburgring time was also faster than a M4cs with cup tires by quite a large margin.

Unfortunately for me I can't shake the Camaro/mustang stigma no matter how fast they make them. My loss I suppose. I do remember that obsessed garage guy dumping his F80 for a GT350 6spd. Only had it for a little while and then got rid of it for an e92 m3. Quality of performance is sometimes better than quantity.

As for the M3. I like my 2015. But I got it used for well under 50k which is what I think an M3/M4 is worth even when new. And for that amount of money its great for a jack of all trades car.
I don’t recall an “official” ‘ring time for Camaro SS 1LE...

If you are referring to the time set by the ZL1 1LE, keep in mind it is an entirely different beast with its 650hp supercharged V8.
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      07-05-2019, 11:40 PM   #135
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I don’t recall an “official” ‘ring time for Camaro SS 1LE...

If you are referring to the time set by the ZL1 1LE, keep in mind it is an entirely different beast with its 650hp supercharged V8.
you might be right there. i think i looked up the ZL1 time. Found a thread on the camaro forums saying the ss 1le is about the same time as a Z28 on most tracks. So around 7:37. Same time as a CS.
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      07-06-2019, 01:36 AM   #136
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CS should of been tested with the tyres it was designed for, PSC2, would of been a huge difference in the sprint times.My best launch is 3.44 to sixty.
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      07-06-2019, 01:51 AM   #137
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CS should of been tested with the tyres it was designed for, PSC2, would of been a huge difference in the sprint times.My best launch is 3.44 to sixty.
I agree. I had a first hand opportunity to feel the difference. My M4cs was mistakenly delivered with the PSS so I drove it with them on for the first 10 days before the dealer replaced them with PSC2. The tires make a very noticeable difference on how the CS feels and handles. However, that being said, for some stupid reason, the CS comes standard with the PSS in the US and the PSC2 are not even offered as an option, so it is expected that a US publication will test a CS with the standard tires offered in the US.
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      07-06-2019, 10:46 AM   #138
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CS should of been tested with the tyres it was designed for, PSC2, would of been a huge difference in the sprint times.My best launch is 3.44 to sixty.
That time is about in line with AutoBild's 3.7 to 100kph.
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      07-06-2019, 03:30 PM   #139
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You can google them, they are all out there.

What I'm talking to actual driving dynamics and how the car feels when driving it in a spirited manner. It's the intangibles, not buried in stats and numbers.
Sorry I don’t know your real name or your Camaro forum user name so I actually can’t google to find your lap times.

I liked my ‘15 f80 just fine after I changed the alignment and the tires. Nowhere near the experience you’ve been posting about with your old car.

For $66k including tax (low options euro delivery car) f80 was a Best Buy for me in dec 2014.
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      07-07-2019, 09:12 AM   #140
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You are also quite active in various CS threads and your posts do come out quite negative to me about the car, hence my hate and bitter comments. Contrary to what you think, your posts are not factual, they only reflect your opinions and impressions. In reality, factual data shows the M4cs to be incrementally faster than the CP and base M4 in all performance metrics. I respect opinions but I do call out false or misrepresented data and facts.
Hmm, I'm curious what post was not factual? My posts certainly can and do contain my opinions and impressions (as do yours), but if you can find other stuff that I'm posting that is not factual - please bring it on (yea, I got the price wrong on the color options....).

and this is my fav part of what you just wrote "factual data shows the M4cs to be incrementally faster than the CP and base M4 in all performance metrics"

nobody is arguing that!

What I have said time and time again, is that to charge 50% more (while removing features) for incremental performance metrics is shameful on BMWs part.

The market has spoken, people aren't going to pay that. They will readily step up to an incremental price increase for an incremental performance increase (and looks of course, cause I think the cs editions are saweet looking.)
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      07-07-2019, 09:33 AM   #141
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Hmm, I'm curious what post was not factual? My posts certainly can and do contain my opinions and impressions (as do yours), but if you can find other stuff that I'm posting that is not factual - please bring it on (yea, I got the price wrong on the color options....).

and this is my fav part of what you just wrote "factual data shows the M4cs to be incrementally faster than the CP and base M4 in all performance metrics"

nobody is arguing that!

What I have said time and time again, is that to charge 50% more (while removing features) for incremental performance metrics is shameful on BMWs part.

The market has spoken, people aren't going to pay that. They will readily step up to an incremental price increase for an incremental performance increase (and looks of course, cause I think the cs editions are saweet looking.)
You just want to argue now. He also has agreed many times the MSRP in the US was ridiculous to performance value. You also said in one of your posts that there really was no performance difference between a ZCP and CS. Which, is what essentially restarted this thread/discussion.
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      07-07-2019, 02:07 PM   #142
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I'm starting to believe that all CS threads should go on the politics board...
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      07-08-2019, 11:45 AM   #143
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You just want to argue now. He also has agreed many times the MSRP in the US was ridiculous to performance value. You also said in one of your posts that there really was no performance difference between a ZCP and CS. Which, is what essentially restarted this thread/discussion.
What am I arguing? That my posts were not factual? Can you please show me where I said there was no performance difference?

and what the heck are you talking about with regards to starting this thread? I didn't start it? have you read the thread?
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      07-08-2019, 12:19 PM   #144
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You just want to argue now. He also has agreed many times the MSRP in the US was ridiculous to performance value. You also said in one of your posts that there really was no performance difference between a ZCP and CS. Which, is what essentially restarted this thread/discussion.
What am I arguing? That my posts were not factual? Can you please show me where I said there was no performance difference?

and what the heck are you talking about with regards to starting this thread? I didn't start it? have you read the thread?
I really don't care if people trash the CS, saying how it's not worth the extra $$$, etc.... Well, I'm certain that the lease payment on my M4CS is lower than most ZCP lease payments ($762 over 24 months), soooo there goes that argument. I'm paying less, so therefore I'm not wasting my money as many have pointed out that the CS is a waste of moeny
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What am I arguing? That my posts were not factual? Can you please show me where I said there was no performance difference?

and what the heck are you talking about with regards to starting this thread? I didn't start it? have you read the thread?
I have, are you sure you have? I’m not going down the rabbit hole/circular arguments with you either.
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Hate and bitter strong words! Not sure any of my posts were written with hate or bitterness towards the M3cs/M4cs - yet as someone once said "how other's feel about you is none of your business" - yet, you did post this so..

If you like, go find my hate and bitter knocks on the CS. I think you will find that my posts are factual and if anything, I've expressed my disappointment in BMW for how they went about developing and marketing this car. They took out meaningless weight and added tremendous cost all without a corresponding performance improvement. I don't think too many people (including the person at C&D that wrote the article) disagree with that.

Yet anyone who points out these things -including the author of the C&D article - are some how wrong or have poor journalism. That's laughable.


Anyway, lots of posts here by yours truly, telling people to pick up a M3CS at curent prices (especially when they were leasable!).

Now seriously, it might be time to take a look in the mirror. You are the greatest defender of the CS line of cars and at some point, you might want to think about how you come off. When you have a guy bouncing around the room telling anyone who will listen that their car is the best of the best, then you start to lose a touch of credibility - especially when you start to accuse others of being hateful, when they are simply being truthful.
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All I know is that my CS is better and faster than doug_999's car. And I'm probably paying less as well.
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I really don't care if people trash the CS, saying how it's not worth the extra $$$, etc.... Well, I'm certain that the lease payment on my M4CS is lower than most ZCP lease payments ($762 over 24 months), soooo there goes that argument. I'm paying less, so therefore I'm not wasting my money as many have pointed out that the CS is a waste of moeny
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All I know is that my CS is better and faster than doug_999's car. And I'm probably paying less as well.
what are we, five years old?

What argument are you referring to?

who said the CS is a waste of money?

And seriously, spell check ... it is easy to do - see the underlined words? That means you are spelling wrong - it's not hard.

I'm really curious what thread and/or posts you guys are reading. But back to the original comment, the spelling leads me to believe that I might be arguing with... well... I'll let you figure that out.

And wow, if we wanted a faster car, there are plenty available for less than the M3 - don't ever think the M3 was a great buy - base, ZCP, or CS - plenty of cars will crush it for less money.
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I really don't care if people trash the CS, saying how it's not worth the extra $$$, etc.... Well, I'm certain that the lease payment on my M4CS is lower than most ZCP lease payments ($762 over 24 months), soooo there goes that argument. I'm paying less, so therefore I'm not wasting my money as many have pointed out that the CS is a waste of moeny
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All I know is that my CS is better and faster than doug_999's car. And I'm probably paying less as well.
what are we, five years old?

What argument are you referring to?

who said the CS is a waste of money?

And seriously, spell check ... it is easy to do - see the underlined words? That means you are spelling wrong - it's not hard.

I'm really curious what thread and/or posts you guys are reading. But back to the original comment, the spelling leads me to believe that I might be arguing with... well... I'll let you figure that out.

And wow, if we wanted a faster car, there are plenty available for less than the M3 - don't ever think the M3 was a great buy - base, ZCP, or CS - plenty of cars will crush it for less money.
Wow Man didn't know we were in English class here. You strike me as a pretty pathetic human being judging things like that on a car enthusiast forum. You have absolutely zero idea who you're "arguing" with but go ahead and make assumptions around a few grammatical errors!

The fact that you have kids concerns me a bit as the last thing the world needs is more douchebags like yourself living in it!

Enjoy your Non-CS ///M car bud. The rest of us will go back to enjoying our great lives while you continue to hate on others because your life, dare I say, may be a bit miserable. Doesn't mean you have to take it out on the rest of us!
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I too got sucked into the rabbit hole with douchebag_999.... Someone has to shut this guy up though. We're here to talk cars, not argue and hate on other ///M cars.....
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Guys, 0-60 times of 3.7/3.8 hard to achieve for rwd.
Realistically its between 4.0 to 4.4 seconds.

Correct me!
Not quite true. How does GT3 do it in 2.9s then? Corvettes? Demon? and many others.
Or M3 CS in 3.6. ( claimed)
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Or M3 CS in 3.6. ( claimed)
I think the point is that 3.6 seconds is hard to achieve on a consistent basis with our cars. My wife owns an RS3, in her car all I have to is press the brake, floor the throttle and release the brake to get a 3.5 second 0 to 60 consistently every time. With my M4cs, the conditions and the launch have to be “just right” for me to stay with her, but most of the time she pulls ahead. From a roll, it’s a completely different story though.
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