Anyone else get banned from the G8X section for making fun of its looks?

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by stein_325i

Front page news: 2021 BMW M5 CS Specs: 626 HP and 154 Lbs Weight Reduction https://f90.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1787022

Oops, seems like I am late on the news

Thanks for the reference, I am eager to read up where the 154lb come from. It does bode well for much lighter G82cs .

EDIT: not much info in that thread

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

Oops, seems like I am late on the news

Thanks for the reference, I am eager to read up where the 154lb come from. It does bode well for much lighter G82cs .

EDIT: not much info in that thread

Yeah the info on how the weight was reduced is very minimal.

Even if it does bode well for the G8X CS, that car is still far too ugly for me, not to mention will come to the market much later than when I plan on purchasing.

[FormulaMMM]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

if they have a desire to do so that is.

Right. But even if they do it, seems like more smoke and mirrors.

-154 (too optimistic) as in the case of the M5 CS puts an M3/M4 CS at 3825 curb, if G8X comp is the start point.

GTS is just over 3500 with my homegrown lightweighting efforts. Can't see success as they grossly inflate the base/comp models, then redefine "lightweight" at 300-400 lbs. (G8X CS) and 7XX lbs. (F90 CS) over my car.

There will always be performance advantages to stripping weight out of any car, no matter how heavy. CS badge can be utilized by the marketing and MSRP departments forever.

But at some point the concept has been distorted, value basically lost.

[dmk08]

Originally Posted by GrussGott

You can buy out the lease and sell anytime you want so no concern there, at least no more concern than getting a loan or buying it outright.

As for the end-of-lease inspections, I've done this at multiple dealerships in multiple states and I'd call it pro forma at best.

Here in the bay area, the last 3 times have been almost laughably easy - let's call it 5-10 minutes at most. The one I did a month ago was literally [dude gets in the car, starts it, glances around, shut off the car] "ok, I'll go in and start the paperwork".

If someone said that "inspection" was more than 25 seconds I'd call them a liar.

So... in Georgia they used to run an “owners choice” program which was a quasi lease to get you around the bad state taxes. Same rules as a lease to BMW but they titled the car in a magic way to avoid the taxes. Same residuals and all.

Anyway my only “lease” experience was doing that on a 15 X1. Drove it for 3 years, treated it as my own, and when I went to return it they tried to charge me. They said I was 1000 miles over on the final oil change and there was a $700 charge.

I eventually took it to the dealer GM and got it dropped but I assumed this was regular lease turn in practice. Meaning they make you pay for bs. If I had not been a regular buyer of Ms not sure they would have removed if. I used my incoming M4 at the time as leverage.

After these discussions Im interested in trying another lease but I dont want another BMW. Just nothing in the new lineup that does anything to me. What other vehicles besides BMW and Kia Stingers lease real well?

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by FormulaMMM

Right. But even if they do it, seems like more smoke and mirrors.

-154 (too optimistic) as in the case of the M5 CS puts an M3/M4 CS at 3825 curb, if G8X comp is the start point.

GTS is just over 3500 with my homegrown lightweighting efforts. Can't see success as they grossly inflate the base/comp models, then redefine "lightweight" at 300-400 lbs. (G8X CS) and 7XX lbs. (F90 CS) over my car.

There will always be performance advantages to stripping weight out of any car, no matter how heavy. CS badge can be utilized by the marketing and MSRP departments forever.

But at some point the concept has been distorted, value basically lost.

Wouldn't that be ~3,725lb for a G82cs (3,880lb-154lb) ?

But I agree, still a fair bit heavier than my M4cs, which is also a bit over 3,500lb with MPE and iron brakes.

Also agree, the quoted 154lb seems to be with a lot of creative accounting, factoring CCB and the 789M wheels, already offered as options on the M5C. I am curious to find out what else they did to lower the M5cs weight.

I keep thinking that the Marketing strategy is to have the ///M-CS closer to what the original ///M used to be: more exclusive daily drivers with a strong track focus; mow that the basic ///Ms have become more of boulevard bourgeois status symbols. At least that's how my M4cs feels like.

[RugbyBro]

I didn’t want to ask this in that thread but I’m genuinely trying to understand who the market is for a “lightweight” M5 that’s likely going to cost north of $150k? I mean did the M5 actually need to lose weight - as in is anyone actually using them in a capacity where a ~3% weight reduction either A. Achieves something that just increasing power output would not, and B. That would justify the substantial price increase the BMW will likely charge?

[dmk08]

Originally Posted by RugbyBro

I didn’t want to ask this in that thread but I’m genuinely trying to understand who the market is for a “lightweight” M5 that’s likely going to cost north of $150k? I mean did the M5 actually need to lose weight - as in is anyone actually using them in a capacity where a ~3% weight reduction either A. Achieves something that just increasing power output would not, and B. That would justify the substantial price increase the BMW will likely charge?

If I'm spending $150k Im gonna spend a little more and get a Panamera Gran Turismo. F an M5. But Ive never been an M5 guy.

[FormulaMMM]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

Wouldn't that be ~3,725lb for a G82cs (3,880lb-154lb) ?

But I agree, still a fair bit heavier than my M4cs, which is also a bit over 3,500lb with MPE and iron brakes.

Also agree, the quoted 154lb seems to be with a lot of creative accounting, factoring CCB and the 789M wheels, already offered as options on the M5C. I am curious to find out what else they did to lower the M5cs weight.

I keep thinking that the Marketing strategy is to have the ///M-CS closer to what the original ///M used to be: more exclusive daily drivers with a strong track focus; mow that the basic ///Ms have become more of boulevard bourgeois status symbols. At least that's how my M4cs feels like.

Ah, guess I'm not sure on weight. Different figures out there, BMWBlog and a few others indicating 1805 kg --

In Competition-spec with its eight-speed automatic and rear-wheel drive, the G80 weights 1,805 kg (3,979 lbs).

Also wonder if a CS will be offered rwd. Questionable since it would have to offer all-around performance advantages as compared to the comp awd. At least I'd think so to justify the price. That will make weight loss more challenging.

Right, just don't know the actual value of CS/CSL approaching or exceeding 2 tons. F8X CS delivered actual value by optimizing an already excellent platform that was a reasonable starting weight.

[minn19]

Originally Posted by dmk08

If I'm spending $150k Im gonna spend a little more and get a Panamera Gran Turismo. F an M5. But Ive never been an M5 guy.

Agreed, the only problem with the Pany is they are 4 captains seats. We sometimes have five passengers so it would be odd to have a car that big and have it only seat 4.

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by dmk08

If I'm spending $150k Im gonna spend a little more and get a Panamera Gran Turismo. F an M5. But Ive never been an M5 guy.

Same here, although a GT63 for me. New F90 M5 has just left me cold, not much emotion or feel in it. Much prefer some of the rivals. The CS has a lot of work to do to fix my opinion of the F90.

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by minn19

Agreed, the only problem with the Pany is they are 4 captains seats. We sometimes have five passengers so it would be odd to have a car that big and have it only seat 4.

I believe a 2+1 rear bench is an option. Middle seat is tight, but doable for short trips.

[minn19]

Originally Posted by stein_325i

I believe a 2+1 rear bench is an option. Middle seat is tight, but doable for short trips.

Didn't know that, thanks.

[dmk08]

Originally Posted by minn19

Didn't know that, thanks.

Go buy one and let me borrow it.

I cant afford a $175k car so a moot point for me lol.

[minn19]

Originally Posted by dmk08

Go buy one and let me borrow it.

I cant afford a $175k car so a moot point for me lol.

We are all up on toys here so we are out.

I think if I went that much on a car, it would be a McLaren or Aston DB like something or other. Not a family hauler, got plenty of those.

[dmk08]

Originally Posted by minn19

We are all up on toys here so we are out.

I think if I went that much on a car, it would be a McLaren or Aston DB like something or other. Not a family hauler, got plenty of those.

So a black 18 m2 6mt just popped up right by me. $39k. Man thats a deal... If I go look at it ill end up buying it lol.

[RugbyBro]

Originally Posted by dmk08

So a black 18 m2 6mt just popped up right by me. $39k. Man thats a deal... If I go look at it ill end up buying it lol.

*Channels inner Palpatine*

"Dew it"

[stein_325i]

My friend just texted me this, a picture of his loaner. An M440i. The front plate looks awful on this car.

[dmk08]

Originally Posted by RugbyBro

*Channels inner Palpatine*

"Dew it"

My wife is so tired of me not having a car and talking about them she is with you.

I have not owned a vehicle since March. I had a G70 for a couple days but didnt keep it.

[dmk08]

Originally Posted by stein_325i

My friend just texted me this, a picture of his loaner. An M440i. The front plate looks awful on this car.

Every time I see a new pic it is just worse lol.

[FormulaMMM]

Originally Posted by stein_325i

My friend just texted me this, a picture of his loaner. An M440i. The front plate looks awful on this car.

Saw my first one on the road the other day. There are a lot of cars that look better in the flesh, this isn't one of them.

[dmk08]

Originally Posted by FormulaMMM

Saw my first one on the road the other day. There are a lot of cars that look better in the flesh, this isn't one of them.

Values if e46, e9x, and f8x going up.

Once you see that little smirk at the bottom you cant unsee it.

[minn19]

Originally Posted by stein_325i

My friend just texted me this, a picture of his loaner. An M440i. The front plate looks awful on this car.

I don't think it matters what is attached to the front of that thing.

That is truly brutal and kind of makes the new M3/4s look ok. Maybe that is BMW's evil plan to steer sales towards them.