F8X M3/M4 Competition Package?

[MPNGAO_M4]

Originally Posted by shortseller

Along with suspension & electric steering tweaks I'd add MDM adjustment, would be nice. Wheels, I'm with you, not critical.

Agreed, I missed the MDM tweeks

[TheIceStormOf06]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

I am not sure how your reply applies to my post... But anyhow:

I seriously doubt we will see a totally new engine architecture based on the N58 in the F8X, it would just be too costly. Further, if you believe that the competition pack will be offered with a diferrent engine (based on the N58) than the S55 in the base M3/4, you are dreaming in technicolour; two engine architectures concurently offered in the F8X does not really make sense.

It is possible that the comp pack will come with a power boost, but more likely from a software tune on the S55. I also believe all new F8X (not only the comp pack) will get a power boost when the M2 gets released.

Regarding 0-60mph of the 340, the M3/4 are still significantly quicker. The gap widens even more at higher speeds.

I'm going to bookmark this post so we will see who is dreaming in the future.

There's a bigger point. You are right that They can just add boost and include in the ZCP. I never said they couldn't. But did anyone also notice that the 340i sounds a bit different than the 335i in the videos. A new S58 would address many other things including the sound and offer a better efficiency.

The F8X is very quick but let's not forget much competition will come from Not only from within M2 but also from Cadillac, AMG, & Audi. Many reviewers are already saying BMW is lagging the AMG and some question where it's standing against the ATS-V (although I'm much less concerned with the latter). What many reviewers haven't really done is reviewed the base C63. The F8X Will match the C63 but the C63S will require the ZCP package. That's not a bad thing though. We have seen this whole ZCP a package debate before. Case in point F10 vs. the F10 Comp package once the E63 hit the market. Why would one buy the regular M5 when the experience is much more enhanced with the comp package (unless you just want the badge or save $$$) Better sound, steering and more power.

If your talking cost, help me understand. The foundation & architecture is there. It's just tweaks. If BMW looses share to the competition, they will spend the money. There's a business case to being number 1!

Many customers want the 0-60 for bragging rights. And nothing else. And that translates into better sales.

[YolkyPalky]

Originally Posted by TheIceStormOf06

I'm going to bookmark this post so we will see who is dreaming in the future.

There's a bigger point. You are right that They can just add boost and include in the ZCP. I never said they couldn't. But did anyone also notice that the 340i sounds a bit different than the 335i in the videos. A new S58 would address many other things including the sound and offer a better efficiency.

The F8X is very quick but let's not forget much competition will come from Not only from within M2 but also from Cadillac, AMG, & Audi. Many reviewers are already saying BMW is lagging the AMG and some question where it's standing against the ATS-V (although I'm much less concerned with the latter). What many reviewers haven't really done is reviewed the base C63. The F8X Will match the C63 but the C63S will require the ZCP package. That's not a bad thing though. We have seen this whole ZCP a package debate before. Case in point F10 vs. the F10 Comp package once the E63 hit the market. Why would one buy the regular M5 when the experience is much more enhanced with the comp package (unless you just want the badge or save $$$) Better sound, steering and more power.

If your talking cost, help me understand. The foundation & architecture is there. It's just tweaks. If BMW looses share to the competition, they will spend the money. There's a business case to being number 1!

Many customers want the 0-60 for bragging rights. And nothing else. And that translates into better sales.

So much fail in this post its hard to know where to begin.........

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by TheIceStormOf06

I'm going to bookmark this post so we will see who is dreaming in the future.

It just doesn't stand up to reason that we'll see an S58 for the ZCP because the S55 is so new. Product development is based around an amortization plan - you can't cheat the numbers. They will have designed the S55 with a specific lifespan in mind, and it will accommodate needs for all target M six cylinder vehicles over the next 5 years or so.

There probably will be an S58 next decade for the Gxx M3/M4, but don't expect to see anything power the F8x M3/M4 other than the S55, including the GTS which will push power up close to (but less than) 500hp.

Someone else can say to you: I think the M3 GTS will get the S63 to better compete with the C63S or future C63 "GT". Sure that's technically feasible, but you'll dismiss it outright quickly because we all know BMW simply will not do that. It's really the same sort of outlier suggestion here with an S58. Yes, theoretically possible. But no, not happening.

You're big dreamer though, so keep on it. After all, there's still a chance for your MY2016 ZCP prediction to come true yet.

[dmk08]

So looks like no ZCP @ 2016 launch. Wonder if it comes mid year.

[gthal]

Originally Posted by dmk08

So looks like no ZCP @ 2016 launch. Wonder if it comes mid year.

That makes me sad

I'm excited for the ZCP when it comes because it gives me a legitimate reason to tell my wife I need to buy another car and maybe change colors up (not that AY isn't awesome but it's fun to get new stuff) ... she won't know the difference (in that it isn't "really" needed)... win/win/win...

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by dmk08

So looks like no ZCP @ 2016 launch. Wonder if it comes mid year.

Rumors are still out that it will be unveiled in 2016. I am guessing to coincide with the launch of the "GTS".

[dmk08]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

Rumors are still out that it will be unveiled in 2016. I am guessing to coincide with the launch of the "GTS".

Yep said it way earlier in this post somewhere. My M guy told me he heard mid 2016. I'm hoping for that myself.

[dgp]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

Rumors are still out that it will be unveiled in 2016. I am guessing to coincide with the launch of the "GTS".

When is GTS supposed to be launched?

[RingMeister01]

Originally Posted by dgp

When is GTS supposed to be launched?

Production begins March 2016

[dgp]

Originally Posted by RingMeister01

Production begins March 2016

So the consensus is that competition package will be launched as a late MY2016 for a few months before MY17 LCI is out?

[RingMeister01]

Comp pack usually solves any short comings, but the F8x is already so good that I'd expect nothing more than new wheels, lower springs, standard MPE and maybe a slight bump in boost, to entice buyers.

[RingMeister01]

Originally Posted by dgp

So the consensus is that competition package will be launched as a late MY2016 for a few months before MY17 LCI is out?

I'd say no. Comp will come '17 once M4 LCI is introduced. Just a hypothesis.

[FAM3]

Originally Posted by RingMeister01

Comp pack usually solves any short comings, but the F8x is already so good that I'd expect nothing more than new wheels, lower springs, standard MPE and maybe a slight bump in boost, to entice buyers.

Which is pointless since you can do all those aftermarket....

[dgp]

Originally Posted by texxy

Which is pointless since you can do all those aftermarket....

Not if you still want to keep your warranty intact...

[TheIceStormOf06]

Originally Posted by RingMeister01

Comp pack usually solves any short comings, but the F8x is already so good that I'd expect nothing more than new wheels, lower springs, standard MPE and maybe a slight bump in boost, to entice buyers.

Exactly my thoughts. And to better stack against to competition. I heard mid competition package is coming mid-2016 so in December.

That MPE though...

[nicknaz]

Originally Posted by dgp

Not if you still want to keep your warranty intact...

We are talking wheels/tires, suspension mods , exhaust and coding to get euro MDM

Those aren't a huge deal

[damnitBobby]

Originally Posted by RingMeister01

Comp pack usually solves any short comings, but the F8x is already so good that I'd expect nothing more than new wheels, lower springs, standard MPE and maybe a slight bump in boost, to entice buyers.

That's enough to convince me to wait.

Buying an M4 and then buying aftermarket springs to fix the ride height is bothersome. Especially knowing that most, if not all, aftermarket companies that develop springs pretty much screw up the original suspension that the M engineers dialed in. I would much rather have a factory developed lowering spring and not have to toy with a new car's suspension to achieve that "look".

And right now the M4 is begging for a lower suspension from the factory. At least in my opinion.

[FAM3]

Originally Posted by dgp

Not if you still want to keep your warranty intact...

You need a better service advisor Had all my BMW's fully modded

Originally Posted by nicknaz

We are talking wheels/tires, suspension mods , exhaust and coding to get euro MDM

Those aren't a huge deal

X2 Not worth the wait for just those mods.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by dgp

So the consensus is that competition package will be launched as a late MY2016 for a few months before MY17 LCI is out?

I wouldn't call it a consensus, but it remains a possibility. With the 440i known to be coming in March, and most probably the GTS too, it only makes sense that the middle sibling gets some love at that time as well.

BTW, for those who missed it, BMW has cranked up the M6 Competition package to 600hp for MY2016. This would seem to open the door for a boost to ~450hp for the M3/M4 ZCP, applying a similar percentage increase. That's just speculation, of course, but it seems reasonable. GTS would likely be just under 500hp.

[shortseller]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

I wouldn't call it a consensus, but it remains a possibility. With the 440i known to be coming in March, and most probably the GTS too, it only makes sense that the middle sibling gets some love at that time as well.

BTW, for those who missed it, BMW has cranked up the M6 Competition package to 600hp for MY2016. This would seem to open the door for a boost to ~450hp for the M3/M4 ZCP, applying a similar percentage increase. That's just speculation, of course, but it seems reasonable. GTS would likely be just under 500hp.

Based on what we had with the PPK software gains with the N54, we saw increases of around 20 for hp and 32 for tq, so around 30 for the S55 seems easily doable.

I would hope BMW as they did with the PPk would come out with just a software boost Pkg first, hopefully to included fixing MDM also, before the official Comp Pkg launch. Would be nice but something tells me, the beancounters wouldn't let that happen for obvious reasons.

[RocketBoots]

Saw this:

http://www.ecstuning.com/BMW-F82-M4-...ips/ES2859471/

"For vehicles with Competition Package"

Wonder if it's true...