Anyone else get banned from the G8X section for making fun of its looks?

[Tecnniqe]

Originally Posted by fiveohwblow

I’d hope so, it’s brand new!

[Tecnniqe]

https://www.reddit.com/r/BMW/comment..._what_i_found/

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[GrussGott]

Originally Posted by Tecnniqe

https://www.reddit.com/r/BMW/comment..._what_i_found/

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good gawd that car looks like it's clutching it's chest having a heart attack.



You'd have to pay me $1000 every time just to get in that car - it's really frightening.

[Tecnniqe]

Originally Posted by GrussGott

good gawd that car looks like it's clutching it's chest having a heart attack.



You'd have to pay me $1000 every time just to get in that car - it's really frightening.

“Hope your eyes have recovered” comment really puts it out there

[FormulaMMM]

Originally Posted by minn19

still think the SS 1LE is possibly the greatest sports car/track car bargain of all time.

Porsche just seems to do the overall package much better than most right now while still retains the fun to drive aspect. Obviously, you gotta pay for it though.

Without a doubt on the SS 1LE.

Speaking of performance bargain, ran many sessions over the weekend with a bone stock base 992 Carrera. I think performance has caught up with its price point, really. Ridiculous. NOT 379 hp. Don't care to admit how close lap times would be with equal tires, or tires + a few basic mods.

For anyone who planned on G8X but sees the "base" Carrera within budget, it will not disappoint, at least in terms of objective performance. Acceleration and track. Gorgeous in Gentian Blue as well.

Originally Posted by CT_M3

No need to hate on them. After my visit yesterday and in my post today, it's clear that BMW is going for a different type of customer, the "lifestyle" look @ me client. The ads were confusing at first to me, but my visit yesterday solidified their intent plus the numerous articles with the design team. This means tossing out the old design themes that we find attractive. The G8x is not a mistake that we think, but a clear signal of the change by the company. It will not be changed back to the old classic cues.

As I said, BMW is pivoting. This is a new BMW, that is trying to morph from the BMW we know to be more 'lifestyle' focused (whatever that means, it probably also includes the term 'showy'). I expect the future designs to reflect this more and more. These posters reflect that new crowd.

Understand the lifestyle/image approach in theory, but the real world target market continues to confuse me. Seems 20's for sure. G8X buyers are currently driving, what?

[irunalot]

Originally Posted by stein_325i

Posters in the G8X forum must be smoking some real good weed

Dude check yourself into rehab stat!

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by stein_325i

Posters in the G8X forum must be smoking some real good weed

Originally Posted by minn19

That kind of bums me out, I really like Sol and miss his posts from back in the day. Still a good dude I'm sure, just a little lost right now car wise. I do remember him wishing for an AWD M3/M4. He got his wish on the one front and maybe is trying to justify everything around that, dunno.

Solstice has sadly turned into one of the worst G8X fanboy.

For reference, as I am not using the term lightly:

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by CT_M3

No need to hate on them. After my visit yesterday and in my post today, it's clear that BMW is going for a different type of customer, the "lifestyle" look @ me client. The ads were confusing at first to me, but my visit yesterday solidified their intent plus the numerous articles with the design team. This means tossing out the old design themes that we find attractive. The G8x is not a mistake that we think, but a clear signal of the change by the company. It will not be changed back to the old classic cues.

As I said, BMW is pivoting. This is a new BMW, that is trying to morph from the BMW we know to be more 'lifestyle' focused (whatever that means, it probably also includes the term 'showy'). I expect the future designs to reflect this more and more. These posters reflect that new crowd.

This is a really mature post, but also keep in mind that many of the people who love/like/appreciate the G8X also have owned every other iteration of M3 going [at least] as far back as the E46. It's not like BMW completely abandoned its base. Some people have grown/changed with the company while others haven't. I know people who were done with BMW as soon as they employed turbos and the F8X hit the scene. To those people, BMW abandoned them in 2015. It's all a matter of perspective really. The company has shifted; the company is always shifting. The company that stated it would never build performance [lifestyle] SAV's and never use turbos ultimately did, and it has worked out extremely well for them.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

This is a really mature post, but also keep in mind that many of the people who love/like/appreciate the G8X also have owned every other iteration of M3 going [at least] as far back as the E46. It's not like BMW completely abandoned its base. Some people have grown/changed with the company while others haven't. I know people who were done with BMW as soon as they employed turbos and the F8X hit the scene. To those people, BMW abandoned them in 2015. It's all a matter of perspective really. The company has shifted; the company is always shifting. The company that stated it would never build performance [lifestyle] SAV's and never use turbos ultimately did, and it has worked out extremely well for them.

I am not too sure about that part (in red).

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

I am not too sure about that part (in red).

I can count many in the G8X forum who are coming from E9X>F8X M3's. I also see some in there who owned E46's as well. I don't hate the G8X and I came to BMW 20 years ago and have owned 12 of them (mostly M's). Alas, BMW's base is bigger than the outlier/microcosm that is Bimmerpost

[minn19]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

This is a really mature post, but also keep in mind that many of the people who love/like/appreciate the G8X also have owned every other iteration of M3 going [at least] as far back as the E46. It's not like BMW completely abandoned its base. Some people have grown/changed with the company while others haven't. I know people who were done with BMW as soon as they employed turbos and the F8X hit the scene. To those people, BMW abandoned them in 2015. It's all a matter of perspective really. The company has shifted; the company is always shifting. The company that stated it would never build performance [lifestyle] SAV's and never use turbos ultimately did, and it has worked out extremely well for them.

This isn't an attack post, but merely an observation so please don't take it wrong etc. I think you are missing the big point as to what has shifted and how much to be more accurate. Yes, the F8X came with turbos and BMW built SUVS/SAVS or whatever the eff their marketing department calls them. The F8X still continued the lineage with a larger/more direct focus on motorsport. The G8X looks to be an even larger departure from that focus and firmly into the lifestyle camp, which they always tried to push. So IMO there are degrees of abandonment, the G8X looks to completely sever the motorsport ties and move into something completely different (lifestyle/culture/whatever).

You can see a stark difference between what the posters here care about and what they do over on the G8X section. Hopefully they don't eff up the next M2.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by minn19

This isn't an attack post, but merely an observation so please don't take it wrong etc. I think you are missing the big point as to what has shifted and how much to be more accurate. Yes, the F8X came with turbos and BMW built SUVS/SAVS or whatever the eff their marketing department calls them. The F8X still continued the lineage with a larger/more direct focus on motorsport. The G8X looks to be a very large departure form that focus and firmly into the lifestyle camp, which they always tried to push. So IMO there are degrees of abandonment, the G8X looks to completely sever the motorsport ties and move into something completely different (lifestyle/culture/whatever).

You can see a stark difference between what the posters here care about and what they do over on the G8X section. Hopefully they don't eff up the next M2.

How exactly does the F8X continue the lineage that the G8X doesn't?!? Considering that nobody has really driven the car on the track and considering the new styling dons race car configurations, I don't think your assessment is fair. I understand the styling is the point of contention, but that's an emotional debate, not an objective one.

My point in mentioning SAV's and turbos was to outline a consistent pattern in the changing ethos' of the company......a consistent pattern in following and/or recognizing trends and adjusting the company's direction.

[minn19]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

How exactly does the F8X continue the lineage that the G8X doesn't?!? Considering that nobody has really driven the car on the track and considering the new styling dons race car configurations, I don't think your assessment is fair. I understand the styling is the point of contention, but that's an emotional debate, not an objective one.

If you honestly can't see that, respectfully I'm unsure how we could even have a conversation about it.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by minn19

This isn't an attack post, but merely an observation so please don't take it wrong etc. I think you are missing the big point as to what has shifted and how much to be more accurate. Yes, the F8X came with turbos and BMW built SUVS/SAVS or whatever the eff their marketing department calls them. The F8X still continued the lineage with a larger/more direct focus on motorsport. The G8X looks to be an even large departure form that focus and firmly into the lifestyle camp, which they always tried to push. So IMO there are degrees of abandonment, the G8X looks to completely sever the motorsport ties and move into something completely different (lifestyle/culture/whatever).

You can see a stark difference between what the posters here care about and what they do over on the G8X section. Hopefully they don't eff up the next M2.

There is one point though that has is keeping my hope up a little, it is the connection of the M4 back to GT3 racing.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by minn19

If you honestly can't see that, respectfully I'm unsure how we could even have a conversation about it.

I'm asking you to articulate it so there's no translation lost. I'm asking SPECIFICALLY, as it pertains to the outgoing car, how the F8X somehow continues a lineage, but the G8X doesn't. I'm not talking aesthetics. Your response is intended as a slight. I have been around as long as you have. I'm no new age newcomer to this brand.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

I can count many in the G8X forum who are coming from E9X>F8X M3's. I also see some in there who owned E46's as well. I don't hate the G8X and I came to BMW 20 years ago and have owned 12 of them (mostly M's). Alas, BMW's base is bigger than the outlier/microcosm that is Bimmerpost

It might be just my perception, but it feels that the G8X forum is populated (post wise) mostly by folks that are relatively new to ///M. Could just be a false perception though; and you're right, the entire ///M community is much larger than this forum.

[minn19]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

I'm asking you to articulate it so there's no translation lost. Your response is intended as a slight.

No it isn't. You keep ignoring the massive weight gain and tech (CF, transmission etc) they took out, smaller rear brakes etc etc. That will change the dynamics, I'm sure it'll be fast in a straight line and maybe for a lap or two, but that other stuff will add up. Dynamically on the track/street/backroads it will definitely be changed and not for the better. It's a baby M5 when BMW didn't need a baby M5 in their lineup.

If there's a slight, it is you constantly ignoring these facts and members that don't like these for good objective reasons. The polarizing looks are secondary IMO to a lot of people here. It obviously doesn't help, hence my talk of overall package in a lot of different brands/cars.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by minn19

No it isn't. You keep ignoring the massive weight gain and tech (CF, transmission etc) they took out, smaller rear brakes etc etc. That will change the dynamics, I'm sure it'll be fast in a straight line and maybe for a lap or two, but that other stuff will add up. Dynamically ion the street it will definitely be changed and not for the better. It's a baby M5 when BMW didn't need a baby M5 in their lineup.

If there's a slight, it is you constantly ignoring these facts and members that don't like these for good objective reasons. The polarizing looks are secondary IMO to a lot of people here. It obviously doesn't help, hence my talk of overall package in a lot of different brands/cars.

Nobody is ignoring those changes to the new car. Most of that post is conjecture though. There is hardly any proof that the weight gain, change in brake configuration, lack of a CF drive shaft (...that hasn't even been in play the last couple of years anyway), etc. results in a less enthralling car to drive. I'm not saying weight gain is necessarily a good thing, but if the car masks it weight.....as every prior car has.....I don't see why this is such a problem. Are the competitors lighter?

[minn19]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Nobody is ignoring those changes to the new car. Most of that post is conjecture though. There is hardly any proof that the weight gain, change in brake configuration, etc. results in a less enthralling car to drive.

Hence my post #3613 to you.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by minn19

Hence my post #3613 to you.

....well I'll await the actual data that states that. At this point there isn't any. As we see N'Ring times, head-to-head shootouts, etc. become available over the next year, we'll get a better idea of where this car truly stands. We'll know soon enough if your conjecture turns out to be true or not......but even if the new car is a performance demon, lap over lap and betters the outgoing car, you'll still find something to lament.

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

It might be just my perception, but it feels that the G8X forum is populated (post wise) mostly by folks that are relatively new to ///M. Could just be a false perception though; and you're right, the entire ///M community is much larger than this forum.

I think its the addition to AWD that's opened it up to new customers. I've noticed a good amount saying they are new to M or have always had 40i's/"M-Performance" vehicles and are upgrading.

[Tecnniqe]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Alas, BMW's base is bigger than the outlier/microcosm that is Bimmerpost

Yeah and that base seems to dislike it as well, design wise at the very least.
Every time this car shows up, be it on YouTube or Reddit or elsewhere, the comment section is full of grill rear end so it's definitely not a BP issue, it's a BMW issue.

For those I've talked to who will get one say they dislike it as well and would not have bought it had it not been because it'll be the last ICE M3/4. Especially due to the manual.
Of course this is anecdotal evidence.

Sales will speak for themselves and tomorrow we get the drive reviews, so time will tell eventually.