Optional M Driver's Package

accce · 05-04-2014, 02:43 PM

Why is the the M drivers package not offered for the USA cars? What also comes in that package that we don't get?

parky1215 · 05-04-2014, 02:50 PM

There is no such thing as M driver package in USA.

ss134 · 05-04-2014, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by accce

Is there A M drivers package offered for the USA cars that increases the top speed? I don't see it on the build site. What also comes in that package?

It's offered in a few countries including obviously Germany. In Germany it raises the top speed limiter to 280 kph and the price includes a day and a half at the Nurburgring getting tuition from professional drivers on the track. The cost is around 2500 Euro I believe and includes hotel and insurance.

tomwac · 05-04-2014, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by ss134

It's offered in a few countries including obviously Germany. In Germany it raises the top speed limiter to 280 kph and the price includes a day and a half at the Nurburgring getting tuition from professional drivers on the track. The cost is around 2500 Euro I believe and includes hotel and insurance.

You can also order it after delivery of the car... Price remains the same...

ss134 · 05-04-2014, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by tomwac

You can also order it after delivery of the car... Price remains the same...

.......but only in certain countries, for the UK and the USA it is not available at all. However.......if you were to take your car to a German dealer it should be possible. They take the ECU from the car and send it to Garching to be updated with the new software. I believe it takes a week or so to get your car back ready to go.

tomwac · 05-04-2014, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ss134

.......but only in certain countries, for the UK and the USA it is not available at all. However.......if you were to take your car to a German dealer it should be possible. They take the ECU from the car and send it to Garching to be updated with the new software. I believe it takes a week or so to get your car back ready to go.

German dealers will not make a fuss about it...The PPK for my 330d is not available in Belgium, but when I contacted German and Luxembourg dealers, and explained the situation, they didn't care and did the job...

ss134 · 05-04-2014, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by tomwac

German dealers will not make a fuss about it...The PPK for my 330d is not available in Belgium, but when I contacted German and Luxembourg dealers, and explained the situation, they didn't care and did the job...

That is what I am saying. If you live in the UK or US and take it to your local dealer you will have zero chance of getting this package. German dealer is the way forward.

curehead · 05-04-2014, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by ss134

It's offered in a few countries including obviously Germany. In Germany it raises the top speed limiter to 280 kph and the price includes a day and a half at the Nurburgring getting tuition from professional drivers on the track. The cost is around 2500 Euro I believe and includes hotel and insurance.

just one question on the package. why is the limit raised to 280 kph and why is it not removed altogether?

ss134 · 05-04-2014, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by curehead

just one question on the package. why is the limit raised to 280 kph and why is it not removed altogether?

I am not sure tbh- perhaps to keep the car safely within limits of tyres and brakes etc?? Just a guess.

tooch · 05-04-2014, 05:42 PM

I wonder if they would allow you to just send the ECU to Germany and they could flash it and send it back to US.

accce · 05-04-2014, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by tooch

I wonder if they would allow you to just send the ECU to Germany and they could flash it and send it back to US.

+1 I would be willing to send off my ECU if someone could take it to a dealer.

ss134 · 05-05-2014, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by accce

+1 I would be willing to send off my ECU if someone could take it to a dealer.

I am back home in Germany in a couple of weeks time for the summer. PM me in a couple of weeks to remind me and I will find out from my dealer if it's possible. If it is and they're happy to do it I would be willing to assist.

darmstadt · 05-06-2014, 01:20 PM

My dealer was trying to get me to get this when I ordered but I declined although I'll look at it again in the new year when I have a few km's on the car. I did ask what it involved and he just said that a chap would come up to the dealer, plug in a laptop and remove the Vmax and it included some driver training (I'll get some details from him as it does interest me.) I was not too impressed as it only allows the car to reach 280 km/h whereas my current Alpina goes to 285 km/h and the one I had ordered reaches 305 km/h. He told me it was so that BMW basically indemnify themselves if you have an accident. Also in Germany the car needs to go to the TüV again to get the new registered top speed put into the logbook.

acey81 · 06-20-2014, 02:49 AM

I got the M Drivers Package on my M3, and what I found interesting is that the limit is raised once the run in period and first delivery service is completed. So when you receive the car it is still limited to 250 km/h. Which makes me think that it's probably a pretty easy thing for the dealer to do even if you haven't ordered it when you purchased the car.

The training day will be awesome!

AIRPOWER · 08-15-2015, 05:30 AM

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Originally Posted by acey81

I got the M Drivers Package on my M3, and what I found interesting is that the limit is raised once the run in period and first delivery service is completed. So when you receive the car it is still limited to 250 km/h. Which makes me think that it's probably a pretty easy thing for the dealer to do even if you haven't ordered it when you purchased the car.

The training day will be awesome!

acey81,

Did you get the training? How was it? What specifically was involved? Did you use your car or another BMW M?

Thanks!

Denso · 08-15-2015, 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by ss134

I am back home in Germany in a couple of weeks time for the summer. PM me in a couple of weeks to remind me and I will find out from my dealer if it's possible. If it is and they're happy to do it I would be willing to assist.

Any update on this?

2strokeMe · 08-15-2015, 07:43 AM

A coder can just come over and remove the limiter completely. For $150 a coder came to my house and removed that and disabled my seat belt chime and...

Windows go up even after opening the door mid open
The auto shut off crap defaults to OFF
The active sound is gone
My a/c doesn't start on when I stert my car. It is off.

Etc etc..

Bluex · 08-15-2015, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by 2strokeMe

A coder can just come over and remove the limiter completely. For $150 a coder came to my house and removed that and disabled my seat belt chime and...

Windows go up even after opening the door mid open
The auto shut off crap defaults to OFF
The active sound is gone
My a/c doesn't start on when I stert my car. It is off.

Etc etc..

I'm not sure this is correct regarding the limiter......

All other items you list can be coded, but the limiter is controlled by the DME ecu module, which is automatically locked after 10 hours.

There has been discussion about people having this coded immediately after ED before the DME is locked, but questions as to what happens after a software update when the car gets back to the US.

I would question any coder who charges money and claims to remove your limiter.

Look at the threads in the coding forum.

dmnc02 · 08-15-2015, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Bluex

I'm not sure this is correct regarding the limiter......

+1. Have you tested the limiter?

The rest of the coding you mentioned is basic stuff.

//M · 08-15-2015, 09:09 AM

If your in the U.S. you probably won't be able to send your ECU to Germany. The DME software is very likely to be different. (It always has been with any other BMW previously) the U.S. models have things like the DTML pump that European cars don't have.

Once actual ECU flashing comes out its as simple as changing a specific spot from 01 to 00 in the .bin file. (Speed limit master) its actually kind of cool the way BMW writes software.

AIRPOWER · 08-15-2015, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by tifosielia

If your in the U.S. you probably won't be able to send your ECU to Germany. The DME software is very likely to be different. (It always has been with any other BMW previously) the U.S. models have things like the DTML pump that European cars don't have.

Once actual ECU flashing comes out its as simple as changing a specific spot from 01 to 00 in the .bin file. (Speed limit master) its actually kind of cool the way BMW writes software.

tifosielia, so you're telling me that if I bring my US spec car to the dealership here in the Netherlands that they won't be able to lift my limiter with the M Drivers Package? Do you have any data to back this claim up because the dealership here says that if I want the package, it's no problem......

//M · 08-17-2015, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by AIRPOWER

tifosielia, so you're telling me that if I bring my US spec car to the dealership here in the Netherlands that they won't be able to lift my limiter with the M Drivers Package? Do you have any data to back this claim up because the dealership here says that if I want the package, it's no problem......

Ahh ok well they would know better. It honestly might be an FSC code at this point. I assumed they had to flash with a different ZB number (software number) as before and Europe and the U.S. have different software.

If they do it for you let us know.

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darmstadt Enlisted Member 11 Rep 44 Posts Drives: Alpina B3Biturbo (soon M3) Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Germany iTrader: (0)	My dealer was trying to get me to get this when I ordered but I declined although I'll look at it again in the new year when I have a few km's on the car. I did ask what it involved and he just said that a chap would come up to the dealer, plug in a laptop and remove the Vmax and it included some driver training (I'll get some details from him as it does interest me.) I was not too impressed as it only allows the car to reach 280 km/h whereas my current Alpina goes to 285 km/h and the one I had ordered reaches 305 km/h. He told me it was so that BMW basically indemnify themselves if you have an accident. Also in Germany the car needs to go to the TüV again to get the new registered top speed put into the logbook.
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2strokeMe Enlisted Member 22 Rep 35 Posts Drives: F80 M3 SS 6MT Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Pacific Palisades, CA iTrader: (0)	A coder can just come over and remove the limiter completely. For $150 a coder came to my house and removed that and disabled my seat belt chime and... Windows go up even after opening the door mid open The auto shut off crap defaults to OFF The active sound is gone My a/c doesn't start on when I stert my car. It is off. Etc etc.. __________________ SS/black \| Black 19s \| 4 doors \| 3 peddles \| Zero driver assist crap \| Lights and beats \| Every M perf carbon piece I could have installed at the port \| M perf exhaust \| Electronic M wheel \| JB4 \| KW V3s
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//M Lieutenant 243 Rep 497 Posts Drives: M2 Comp Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Northeast iTrader: (0)	If your in the U.S. you probably won't be able to send your ECU to Germany. The DME software is very likely to be different. (It always has been with any other BMW previously) the U.S. models have things like the DTML pump that European cars don't have. Once actual ECU flashing comes out its as simple as changing a specific spot from 01 to 00 in the .bin file. (Speed limit master) its actually kind of cool the way BMW writes software.
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